The Covid-19 Un-Vaccinated are a Danger Only To Each Other - Authorities Need To Back Off.

originally posted by: nonspecific
You have absolutely zero evidence to back up that claim do you.



a reply to: carewemust

Its not a "claim", its a recollection from a medical article I posted in an ATS thread last week.

My vaccine was created by scientists at Oxford university in the UK.

Sputnik was developed in Russia as part of their nationalised healthcare system.

How does that fit in with the grand and nefarious plot?



a reply to: carewemust

How can you tell what the long term effects of two things that have not been around long term are going to be and say that one will be worse than the other?

You can't actually have enough data about future effects to determine that.



a reply to: carewemust

a reply to: nonspecific

The plot is still being defined. Some puzzle pieces still missing.

a reply to: nonspecific

The World has far longer experience with Corona viruses than with the Corona virus vaccines.

So you have some data regarding Corona viruses but you have no long term data about any of the several mRNA based covid 19 vaccines.

How are you determining that the vaccines will cause more issues than the virus?



a reply to: carewemust

originally posted by: nonspecific
So you have some data regarding Corona viruses but you have no long term data about any of the several mRNA based covid 19 vaccines.

How are you determining that the vaccines will cause more issues than the virus?

a reply to: carewemust

Since there is absolutely no long term data, how are you determining that the vaccines won't cause more issues than the virus? I don't get it. How can you say one, but not the other?

I'm not saying that though.

I'm saying you can't say either as we have had neither long enough to determine any long term side effects.

Could be worse, might be worse of course.

Will be worse?

Nope.



a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: carewemust
Thursday, July 22, 2021
This means those who are un-vaccinated can only hurt other un-vaccinated individuals.

No, this isn’t true..

So why the big push to force the non-vaccinated to get vaccinated, if they're willing to accept the risk of serious illness or death, that comes with not being vaccinated?

Because it’s about the virus mutating into a variant that becomes far more transmissible, effective and deadly, which could undermine all the vaccinations to date.

The more people that can still get the illness for a long period of time, means the greater the chance of it mutating.

Vaccinations mean, hopefully, fewer people get it or if they do, it’s for a far shorter period of time, thereby reducing the risk of COVID becoming something worse.

Why do people not understand THIS is a very real, very legitimate concern?

Why is it every time I hear doctors speaking about this vaccination I hear Black Sabbath's "Hand of Doom" playing ?
Weird .

I'm starting to wonder if the big push in the US might have something to do with international travel now.

It's pure speculation but what if the majority of the planet gets it under control but the US fails to do so?

Would we see nations refusing exit and entry to the US?





a reply to: noonebutme

a reply to: noonebutme
What about this?
Could some vaccines make diseases more deadly? | Science | AAAS
www.sciencemag.org...#:~:text=Vaccines%20save%20millions%20of%20lives,become%20more%20 dangerous%20as%20well.

It says could not does.


a reply to: Itisnowagain

The Covid-19 Un-Vaccinated are a Danger Only To Each Other - Authorities Need To Back Off.

The biggest danger are idiots that push the vax, and let's get real.

It's not about protecting people at all.

Remember at the very least 80 million of us are 'born racist'.

What it's ALL about is guarantee dollars to politicians,celebs,Billionaire oligarch and anyone else holding pharma stocks.

State subsizided of course with a world wide market that will exceed trillions.

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: carewemust
Thursday, July 22, 2021
This means those who are un-vaccinated can only hurt other un-vaccinated individuals.

No, this isn’t true..

So why the big push to force the non-vaccinated to get vaccinated, if they're willing to accept the risk of serious illness or death, that comes with not being vaccinated?

Because it’s about the virus mutating into a variant that becomes far more transmissible, effective and deadly, which could undermine all the vaccinations to date.

The more people that can still get the illness for a long period of time, means the greater the chance of it mutating.

Vaccinations mean, hopefully, fewer people get it or if they do, it’s for a far shorter period of time, thereby reducing the risk of COVID becoming something worse.

Why do people not understand THIS is a very real, very legitimate concern?

Obviously with a larger infected population, there will be more mutations that produce these variants. However, we have to remember that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection, just puts the immune system's focus on the vaccine protein spikes. All the vaccinated are involved as well as the unvaccinated and they may even push viable mutations through vaccine selection. These mutations are going to occur and it only takes one to get the pandemic rolling again, be it from an unvaccinated person or one who is vaccinated. It's interesting to note that first jabbers are including in the unvaxxed numbers.

All this tends to support my contention that any major problem that arises was caused or instigated by the government and when one of these problems can no longer be ignored, the government makes it the problem of the citizens, making it their responsibility, even placing the blame on them. IMO the examples are endless if you exclude most acts of God.

a reply to: carewemust

Over 99% of those in the hospital for Covid-19 treatment are people who have NOT been vaccinated.

Is that right ?

Covid hospital admissions triple in over-60s — and nearly half of patients fully vaccinated

The latest data from Public Health Scotland also indicates that there were nearly as many admissions in fully vaccinated patients as unvaccinated patients last week,

www.heraldscotland.com...

I'm not sure of that applies to the US as here in the UK the vast majority of the over 60s are now vaccinated.

As they are the most likely to be hospitalised with covid 19 anyway it's resulted in more vaxxed than not admitted with it.


a reply to: alldaylong

a reply to: alldaylong

Good info, it supports my post above yours. Of course you won't hear those figures on the MSM evening news.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: nonspecific
It's a plausible hypothesis I suppose.

It's no more plausable than to think that the vaccines are in fact as safe as they portray them to be and the anti vaccination propaganda is actually spread by big pharma itself as the unvaccinated can then become a whole new revenue stream for treatment and medication.

I think both are possible.



a reply to: carewemust

IMO, it's more likely the vaccine was designed to generate a long term cash flow per individual.

Ummm…so your saying that…the half of the herd that fearfully rushed out to get the experimental genetic editing jab…

Are…cash cows…for big pharma…


Low…and behold…







YouSir

originally posted by: nonspecific
So you have some data regarding Corona viruses but you have no long term data about any of the several mRNA based covid 19 vaccines.

How are you determining that the vaccines will cause more issues than the virus?



a reply to: carewemust

Because Long Covid has already been observed, and not all the vaxes are mRNA.

Most of what people are saying about the mRNA shot isn't actually scientifically possible. People are confusing mRNA with other technologies, or are plain making thing up.

We might not know everything about mRNA but we know enough to say what it cannot possibly do.