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Failed civilizations and successful civilizations..

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posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 03:39 PM
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Because of a certain work ethic and the way civilizations choose to govern , some places are more successful than others.

So what do you do when failed countries want to be hosted by more successful ones?

What happens if the imported people try and push their ideas onto their host country?
Ideas that failed where they came from?

What happens if a country imports too many people who will never have a strong work ethic and end up being a drain on society?

What happens if enemies know this is a way to weaken a strong nation without weapons and promote these massive importations to hurt countries



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: Bloodworth
Or supposing the Muslim world want more western nations to abandon the supprt of Israel? What better way of achieving this than to import more Muslim potential voters into the nations in question?



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

You've posted some of the basics of The Woketard Playbook.



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 04:12 PM
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History has yet to demonstrate a society that is invulnerable and unstoppable. There will always be a proverbial straw that begins the inevitable demise of the proverbial camel.


It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away".



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 04:40 PM
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Resembles parts of the Master Plan underway by the NWO/Democrat Alliance System 😃




posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

People migrate, mix and mingle all the time. Attempting to be a close of xenophobic nation doesn't last forever.

A prime example is basically all of west Africa, an area of the world where it just sort of 'functioned' within their own way, until some outside influence just dropped in one day and started to create a market system based off human labor.
And now you have dozens of extremely egalitarian societies all trying to stay out of flesh debts and what not with one another.



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 04:56 PM
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What does it matter really, if our civilization falls from bad immigration policies or just dumba$$ politicians? Our civilization will eventually fall. Thats the one thing they all have in common. And it appears that our civilization is headed down that spiral.



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:00 PM
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The only civilizations that were ever worth living in were European and Asian. The truth is that not all people are equal in a qualitative sense and sooner or later the people will stop lying to themselves. I think in the future we will look back on what a failure and a joke multiculturalism was. Worst case scenario could be in the year 2121 the world ends up a cultureless, racially ambiguous, godless NWO hellscape🤷
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posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

All you need to do is go from a cold start at your local zoo and study what's going on in the monkey house and watch the heat develop



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: HrdCorHillbilly
What does it matter really, if our civilization falls from bad immigration policies or just dumba$$ politicians? Our civilization will eventually fall. Thats the one thing they all have in common. And it appears that our civilization is headed down that spiral.


MAD (mutually assured destruction)

or

MASS (mutually assured synergetic synthesis aka artificial Pangaea/true globalization)

There are no other roads



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:20 PM
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People should drop using civilized/civilization.

Modern society is anything but.

The last 5 years have proven the 21st century is no better than any previous one.In most ways it's absolutely barbaric.

As of now the only way we or any other country can be a success is getting rid of the political establishment/politics altogether.


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posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: HrdCorHillbilly
What does it matter really, if our civilization falls from bad immigration policies or just dumba$$ politicians? Our civilization will eventually fall. Thats the one thing they all have in common. And it appears that our civilization is headed down that spiral.


MAD (mutually assured destruction)

or

MASS (mutually assured synergetic synthesis aka artificial Pangaea/true globalization)

There are no other roads

Why not ?



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:37 PM
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History has yet to demonstrate a society that is invulnerable and unstoppable.

"has yet" are the key words .



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

The title of your thread reminded me something I've been thinking lately.

If you study pre-Columbian cultures, you'll find that many of them were successful just for a short time. Many of them were assimilated and became another civilization.

Egyptians, Greeks and Romans lasted longer but at the end they failed too.

If you see, their territory was limited to an specific area of the planet, even if they expanded a lot. We are talking about continental boundaries.

Now, it's different. Thanks to media, telecommunications, internet, highways, airplanes, ships and some other things, the world is globalized as one whole civilization.

In ancient times, one new civilization arose in one part of the globe while other succumbed in other part.

We already lost that ability now. See what I mean ?
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posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 07:00 PM
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On the issue of rise and fall of civilisations, my real guideline is Toynbee.
I would disagree that global media have yet succeeded in creating a unified civilisation. As far as I can see, China, India, the Muslim world, Russia, Europe and America are still distinct enough culturally to be called separate civilisations, and the struggle for influence and dominance between them is still taking place.

I know Toynbee thought the whole world had been subsumed under "the West", but I think he was wrong. Partly because he falied to spot that the United States had become a distinct civilisation in its own right.



posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
People should drop using civilized/civilization.

Modern society is anything but.

The last 5 years have proven the 21st century is no better than any previous one.In most ways it's absolutely barbaric.

As of now the only way we or any other country can be a success is getting rid of the political establishment/politics altogether.



Anarchy is not a solution, it is a scorched earth strategy that leaves much to be desired in the way of organized revival. Never come to the table with less than a viable replacement for the machine you plan to disassemble.



originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: HrdCorHillbilly
What does it matter really, if our civilization falls from bad immigration policies or just dumba$$ politicians? Our civilization will eventually fall. Thats the one thing they all have in common. And it appears that our civilization is headed down that spiral.


MAD (mutually assured destruction)

or

MASS (mutually assured synergetic synthesis aka artificial Pangaea/true globalization)

There are no other roads

Why not ?


Because there are no other planets or civilizations out there among the stars waiting to save the society that (barely) survives critical fallout. Either we grow together or we burn it all down together. There's a third option where one of the heavyweight champions of the globe gets tragically crippled and is cannibalized, but that just reduces the number of pieces in the same game. Rinse and repeat.


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posted on Jul, 20 2021 @ 07:23 PM
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Just throwing this out there for the subject matter.

I recently came across a YouTuber, Fall of Civilizations, and have been impressed with the content. Very in depth. No crummy music. Lots of passion for the subject. Only thirteen or so episodes, so far, sadly. Up there with Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. Though sadly all of Dan Carlin's stuff isn't on his YouTube. There is an iTunes or some such though.

Anyway, back to Fall of Civilizations. Highly recommended.

Will answer many of the OP's questions, in regards to various past civilizations.

ETA: Fall of Civilizations. The Podcast vids are strictly audio. The FoC TV vids show maps and pics. Just fyi. These aren't short ten minute videos.



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posted on Jul, 21 2021 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

What happens is the former structure breaks. A new one is formed. A given; every civilization will implode. The US however is a little different. It is an absolute trainwreck of a government. The worst, Just a horrible system but it's compartmentalized. NOBODY has all the power. If nobody has all the power then it's in a constant state of motion. If one faction becomes too strong the other one roars back and beats it down. Things then get back to center mass.

A lot of nonsense going on present day but look what is happening. One side got really strong but they are facing a real problem. The otherside is in a full frontal assault mode and attacking hard and gaining ground. A lot in fact and they are not stopping. They are becoming warriors when before they were docile.

It's actually a beautiful thing. Looks messy as hell but if it's messy it's working.



posted on Jul, 21 2021 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth
Because of a certain work ethic and the way civilizations choose to govern , some places are more successful than others.

So what do you do when failed countries want to be hosted by more successful ones?

What happens if the imported people try and push their ideas onto their host country?
Ideas that failed where they came from?

What happens if a country imports too many people who will never have a strong work ethic and end up being a drain on society?

What happens if enemies know this is a way to weaken a strong nation without weapons and promote these massive importations to hurt countries



Welcome to the US.



posted on Jul, 21 2021 @ 04:49 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth
So what do you do when failed countries want to be hosted by more successful ones?


Yet is that any argument for empire/colonisation?


What happens if the imported people try and push their ideas onto their host country?
Ideas that failed where they came from?


Perhaps the history of the Balkans after WW1 till the present. Notably, the end of the Cold War opened the door to the delayed effects from the termination or removal of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.


What happens if a country imports too many people who will never have a strong work ethic and end up being a drain on society?


Ethnic and religious differences are more significant sources of tension than first-generation immigrants, who often sacrifice, so their families have brighter futures.


What happens if enemies know this is a way to weaken a strong nation without weapons and promote these massive importations to hurt countries


Do you mean like how China floods the U.S., Australia and New Zealand with low cost and poor quality imported consumer goods?



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