There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID‑19

originally posted by: underpass61

Here's the thing though, even after approval problems can arise. Here's how it was reported back when the Orange Man was in charge, funny how the narrative has changed, isn't it?

NPR - One Third of New Drugs Had Safety Problems After FDA Approval

Well 100% true, and that is because after the drug is approved it goes into after market Phase 4 monitoring, and that is where most of the longer term side effects are found.

The interesting thing with the COVID vaccine is they used like 100k people for phase 3, and that is like 10x what they would typically use, and they extended the Phase 3 stage two extra months to monitor than what other drugs would use.

We also now have 3.4 billion doses administered during phase 4, so WTH do people want more...lol

a reply to: loam

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This is going to be a fun battle.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Xtrozero

Not strong with science or language, huh?

Was I complaining about sample sizes? What relevance does that even have in the context of this thread?

The vaccine makers expressly state the long-term adverse effects are unknown.

But you've concluded otherwise because of 'sample' size? LOL

Why are you so rude in your replies?

3.4 billion people have received it, so what do you need? When will you say it is safe? Long term effects are unknown with EVERY drug on the market...lol

So the vaccine gives you 1000 mRNA that by design are turned off and the virus itself gives you 100s of millions that are fully activated, but the vaccine is worst...lol

It seems to me that 100s of millions might have worst long term side effects, what do you think?

originally posted by: butcherguy

Why haven't they approved them?
Since millions of Americans are being injected with the vaccines, why haven't they just come out and said, 'Ok, they're safe.'
Just about every major influencer in every government agency has told us that they are safe and are urging everyone to get the vaccine. Why wouldn't that one agency that should know whether they are safe and effective just tell us that they are?

They are a massive bureaucracy. There is no more testing outside of after market monitoring, so IDK, but how do you rate 1000 mRNA to 100s of millions in terms of safe or not? You get the vaccine and it puts 1000 mRNA in you, you get the virus and it puts 100s of millions in to you...lol It is about that damn simple...

You get to pick which dice you would like to roll.

a reply to: Xtrozero

As mentioned in my other two threads they also might include things like heart inflammations and i am not going to risk that to find it for myself though.

a reply to: loam

I was reading an article a couple days ago, claiming something about Rob Schneider(←but that's irrelevant) spreading lies abut the vaccine. In the article they named a few supposed 'False Vaccine Myths' that people have been spreading...

The article claimed that one of those false vaccine myths, was that the vaccine is an experimental drug trial. They claimed that it certainly is not an experimental drug trial.

To which my immediate thought was: Even IF everything positive that is being said by both the government & people about the vaccine were true, and IF everything negative were a lie, this would still be an experimental drug trial. There's literally no possibility of it not being experimental. Even IF it turns out there are no negative long term effects, that is still something that cannot be known definitively until after a certain amount of time has elapsed. Period.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
We also now have 3.4 billion doses administered during phase 4

Which vaccines have completed Phase 4?

originally posted by: HawkEyi

As mentioned in my other two threads they also might include things like heart inflammations and i am not going to risk that to find it for myself though.

All of that is based on spike protein right. Think of the virus that is pumping 100s of millions of spike protein into your system, heart, brain and so on before the body gets rid of it. The vaccine puts in about 1000 mRNA that produces spike protein too, but the spike protein is turned off to not create viruses, so very limited amount and limited time in your system to do anything, but trigger your defenses.

In the end you can choose, and I respect your choice, but at some point one needs to really look at it all outside of the endless crap that keeps getting reported.

The heart inflammations I think came from one source in Israel suggesting out of 7 million vaccinated 275 males showed mild inflammation, so what does that mean other than Israel didn't say the vaccine actually caused it, but they are monitoring. Once again if a miniscule amount of deactivated spike protein caused it just think if they got the real thing with 100s of millions?

originally posted by: loam

Which vaccines have completed Phase 4?

None as Phase 4 can go on for many years. It is not a testing phase but a monitoring phase. IDK, but maybe drugs never leave phase 4 in a continuous monitoring event.

originally posted by: BlueJacket

Seriously how about just using therapeutics and everybody wins, instead of gambling with people’s lives

OK, how about we just give everyone the virus all at once instead of the vaccine?

originally posted by: BrokenCircles

The article claimed that one of those false vaccine myths, was that the vaccine is an experimental drug trial. They claimed that it certainly is not an experimental drug trial.

To which my immediate thought was: Even IF everything positive that is being said by both the government & people about the vaccine were true, and IF everything negative were a lie, this would still be an experimental drug trial. There's literally no possibility of it not being experimental. Even IF it turns out there are no negative long term effects, that is still something that cannot be known definitively until after a certain amount of time has elapsed. Period.

IDK, how do you define experimental drug trial?

So mRNA been around in testing and use for decades now and because of that they engineered the mRNA for COIVID in like 2 days. Welcome to 2021 and not the 1800s.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: loam

Which vaccines have completed Phase 4?

None as Phase 4 can go on for many years. It is not a testing phase but a monitoring phase.

Then what's your point?

Earlier you said:

3.4 billion doses administered during phase 4, so WTH do people want more...lol.

How about some trustworthy and reliable results before people start asserting there is nothing to worry about or before they start ridiculing those with reasonable and legitimate concerns?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: BrokenCircles

The article claimed that one of those false vaccine myths, was that the vaccine is an experimental drug trial. They claimed that it certainly is not an experimental drug trial.

To which my immediate thought was: Even IF everything positive that is being said by both the government & people about the vaccine were true, and IF everything negative were a lie, this would still be an experimental drug trial. There's literally no possibility of it not being experimental. Even IF it turns out there are no negative long term effects, that is still something that cannot be known definitively until after a certain amount of time has elapsed. Period.

...Welcome to 2021 and not the 1800s.

Not sure what this means?

How many vaccines have been mRNA based?

That would be pertinent information, but, the date isn't.

There is also no COVID LIVE VIRUS in the 'vaccine' because nobody has been able to isolate it. So it is not even a VACCINE.

It is an EXPERIMENTAL concoction of chemicals.

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: loam

I would bet big MONEY the FDA knows about a vaccine that prevents COVID‑19.

The "emergency use" for the current vaccines is to Shrink the World Population!

Of course. And there is a cure for cancer too. But we cant have cures for things when there is profit in keeping people sick.

originally posted by: loam

How about some trustworthy and reliable results before people start asserting there is nothing to worry about or before they start ridiculing those with reasonable and legitimate concerns?

I'm not trying to be snarky with you. I asked a number of times when would you call it safe?

1. In phase 3 they used about 10x the normal number of people and extended it an extra 2 months than what is normally used for other drugs.

2. They have administered 3.4 billion shots now over the last 7 months

3. They have been monitoring all this at a level never seen before.

4. mRNA been around for decades now.

I'm just trying to figure out what is it that you need to say it is safer than the actual virus.

originally posted by: shaemac

Of course. And there is a cure for cancer too. But we cant have cures for things when there is profit in keeping people sick.

Its funny you say that as they are looking at mRNA as a cure for cancer...

originally posted by: MykeNukem

How many vaccines have been mRNA based?

That would be pertinent information, but, the date isn't.

Rabies, Ebola, I think some other nasty ones too... It was easy for them do dial in COVID.

So this isn't the 1800s in how things are done anymore.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Can you show me any other examples where the government and the complicit MSM have put pressure or used incentives to force virtually the entire population become Phase 4 test subjects?

Biggest, reddest, RED FLAG of all time.

Did some states not have mandatory vaccinations in the past?

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: Xtrozero

Can you show me any other examples where the government and the complicit MSM have put pressure or used incentives to force virtually the entire population become Phase 4 test subjects?

Biggest, reddest, RED FLAG of all time.