Gov. Tom Wolf Calls Election Audit Plan A ‘Disgrace To Democracy’

Nope lose a turn too much what if's. They are literally bragging about enhancing the election so Trump would lose. Enhancing /interfering in an election is illegal and known as cheating. Every election for the last 50+ years needs to be audited with a fine tooth comb the kind that get fleas out of dog hair. Then it will have been enough.
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

a reply to: mugger

Notice how the Secretary of State was forced to resign right after the election. She has bull# criminal charges hanging over her. Then look at Kathleen Kane, the State Attorney General who brought down the Corbett Administration over joke e-mails. She was told to resign right after Wolf got elected. She refused and got sent to jail over bull# charges. Kind of familiar isn't it?

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: scraedtosleep

Those aren't my words you quoted, so you probably replied to me by mistake... but I'll still answer your question!

The main difference is that a Constitutional Republic, and our Constitutional Republic in particular, recognizes and guarantees to protect our Natural Rights as individuals; these rights are recognized and declared as granted by our Creator, not granted by government nor limited by government, but guaranteed and protected by government; government's power is granted and restricted by the consent of the governed -- the people -- and is enumerated in the Constitution.

Of course, our government officials have failed to live up to our Constitutional Republic, and have systematically denied us our rights in very insidious and destructive ways. For example, we no longer have the right or ability to call a Citizens Grand Jury to investigate and charge corrupt government officials. We no longer have the right to make a Citizen's Arrest. Burden of proof has shifted from government being obligated to explain and justify their actions to the people, to the people being obligated to prove they are not/have not acted justifiably and within the limits of the Constitution. We are no longer secure in our persons, no longer protected from unreasonable searches and seizures or excess use of force, and our basic rights to freedom of assembly and association, as well as free speech and the free exchange of information.

The Founding Fathers gave us the form of government they did, with the restrictions on government they did, because they knew how quickly and easily the people could be and would be oppressed and repressed without these fundamental rights.

So many people don't realize that "Republic" and "Democracy" are totally different aspects of a government.

The Roman republic was a republic of dicatators. They were not elected by the common people.

That's a dictatorship republic.

A democratic republic is one where the Senators are elected by the people. It is both

A: ENTIRELY democractic.

and

B: ENTIRELY a republic.

You can be perfectly both.

Arguing that you must either be a republic or a democracy is like arguing that a person must either have a foot or a hand.

originally posted by: apydomis

originally posted by: Mark08
a reply to: Nunyabizisit
No, just saying, the republicans dropped the ball on this it's too late now, too much time to cover everything up.

A covered up lie is still a lie. There will be evidence of fabrication no matter what.

Definitely.

As we've begun to see, the paper trail on an election consists of literally truck loads of paper. It would be an awesome feat for anyone to dig through that pile, and only eliminate the stuff that is incriminating. (Probably more difficult than the whole audit, since they would have to audit themselves first, to find out what to delete.)

a reply to: Boadicea

and our Constitutional Republic in particular, recognizes and guarantees to protect our Natural Rights as individuals; these rights are recognized and declared as granted by our Creator, not granted by government nor limited by government, but guaranteed and protected by government; government's power is granted and restricted by the consent of the governed -- the people -- and is enumerated in the Constitution.

But which of these attributes is not shared by a democracy?

The deference really is confusing to me. They must be small but significant. For example is the electoral collage unique? I found that it's both yes and no. While democracies and other government types have electoral collages no two are really the same.

if it was the safest most secure election in history why on earth are democrats not demanding audits, to take this stick away from the republicans in the mid terms.

Its terrible political optics, they do the audit stand there saying we have nothing to hide and when they are vindicated they beat every republican that said it was stolen with that knowledge into perpetuity.

Easy slam dunk in the mid terms.. now instead they hemmed hawed, sued, screamed to the heavens about this attack on democracy and appear foolish at best crooked at worst.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

First, my apologies for not replying sooner. But if you're still interested in an answer...

But which of these attributes is not shared by a democracy?

The deference really is confusing to me. They must be small but significant. For example is the electoral collage unique? I found that it's both yes and no. While democracies and other government types have electoral collages no two are really the same.

The electoral college is a means for ensuring that majority rule does not become mob rule, which is the basic difference between a democracy and a republic. The common example is that a democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what (or who) to have for lunch. Another common description is that a democracy is run by people and a republic is run by laws, including equal application of the law and due process of the law.

In our republic, founded upon Natural Law, and as declared in our Declaration of Independence, our rights are Natural, endowed by our Creator (Nature's god), and are self-evident. If we can do it for ourselves and by ourselves, then it is our Natural Right as endowed by our Creator. We have no right to force anything on anyone just because the majority likes it.

Another example: This is why there is no place for slavery in our republic and it had to end. In our republic, we do not have the power or authority to "vote" certain people into involuntary servitude/slavery just because the majority thinks it's a good idea.

It is the foundation for equal application and due process of the law, so that some cannot impose laws and rules and regulations on others but not themselves (side-eyeing Congress critters here!), and why ANY law that exempts ANYONE is a bad law.

Generally speaking, the electoral college is a means for ensuring that city folk don't run roughshod over country folks... or that the professional class does not run roughshod over the working class... and so on and so forth.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Agreed. Why are the Democrats fighting with everything that they have to prevent audits? If this was a "fair" election the Democrats should be the biggest fans of audits.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: Irishhaf

Agreed. Why are the Democrats fighting with everything that they have to prevent audits? If this was a "fair" election the Democrats should be the biggest fans of audits.

I can only think of two possible answers to your question.

Should find out on Friday.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
if it was the safest most secure election in history why on earth are democrats not demanding audits, to take this stick away from the republicans in the mid terms.

Its terrible political optics, they do the audit stand there saying we have nothing to hide and when they are vindicated they beat every republican that said it was stolen with that knowledge into perpetuity.

Easy slam dunk in the mid terms.. now instead they hemmed hawed, sued, screamed to the heavens about this attack on democracy and appear foolish at best crooked at worst.

Have you ever seen democrats pass up such an easy chance to make Republicans look bad?

Or walk so directly into such a trap situation as they
now have here?




Can't possibly go well for democrats on Friday:

1 - No additional issues are discovered and democrats are responsible for dragging all this out for nothing.

2 - Large amount of intentional fraud in favor of joe is discovered, and is obvious that democrats knew all along.

3 - Large amount of fraud is discovered in favor of joe, but it appears that democrat party was unaware.

4 - do I really need to even specify the fourth option?



:cheers

When Governor Wolf can't be bothered to follow the laws, how do we know that others did.

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