The Insanity behind Covid

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Maybe because those alternative sources would immediately be classed as "shonky" and ignored.

Maybe because they don't want to derail another thread.

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Maybe because those alternative sources would immediately be classed as "shonky" and ignored.

Maybe because they don't want to derail another thread.

You mean like my source was ignored?

Still waiting for any source to counter mine.

Any source at all.

You got one?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The numbers in Hospital with vaccination is higher now than when there was no vaccination in the summer months last year. Using the correlation is not proof of vaccinations working.

For all you know Therapeutics, better levels of vitamin D, previous exposure, changes in social behaviour could be the reason for low numbers now.

People demand RCT for therapeutics against a known infection of SARS-cov=2.

Where's the RCT for challenge trials vaccines work?
Jab 30,000 50/50 vaccine/placebo then spray an exact measure of viral particles into nasal passage.
Then count those that get sick. to get proof the vaccine work.

After all current acceptable vaccine proof ( lower cases) is not acceptable proof of a therapeutic working, is it?

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The numbers in Hospital with vaccination is higher now than when there was no vaccination in the summer months last year. Using the correlation is not proof of vaccinations working.

For all you know Therapeutics, better levels of vitamin D, previous exposure, changes in social behaviour could be the reason for low numbers now.

People demand RCT for therapeutics against a known infection of SARS-cov=2.

Where's the RCT for challenge trials vaccines work?
Jab 30,000 50/50 vaccine/placebo then spray an exact measure of viral particles into nasal passage.
Then count those that get sick. to get proof the vaccine work.

After all current acceptable vaccine proof ( lower cases) is not acceptable proof of a therapeutic working, is it?

So where's your proof for any of that?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So you have no proof and need to deflect.

There is no proof that vaccines work because there has been no RCT challenge trials, to prove it.

There has been trials that prove Therapeutics work :- do the research

Prediction : -
Come the autumn when the numbers go up and the Chinese Virus will have suddenly mutated into another country's variant.
and the new booster shots will be required.

originally posted by: puzzled2

The numbers in Hospital with vaccination is higher now than when there was no vaccination in the summer months last year.

Why might that be, do you think?

Try this - before the vaccines were available, how many vaccinated patients do you think were in hospital?

The ratio of hospitalizations to infections has dropped dramatically since widespread vaccination in the UK. Sick vaccinated patients are over-represented because the virus on average poses a much greater danger to the demographic (the old) who have already been vaccinated.

And why might that be?

The vaccines work by priming the body against a harmful virus. If the immune system is too weak, it's incapable of mounting a robust response.

That said, the vaccines have greatly reduced the number of vulnerable people suffering and dying from Covid.

originally posted by: puzzled2

Where's the RCT for challenge trials vaccines work?
proof ( lower cases) is not acceptable proof of a therapeutic working, is it?

Couldn't you be bothered to look?
Here are four: Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK The Lancet

Challenge trials with humans deliberately exposed to a potentially deadly virus, as you describe, have been frowned upon in most places since the Nazi were deposed.

Prediction : -
Come the autumn when the numbers go up and the Chinese Virus will have suddenly mutated into another country's variant.
and the new booster shots will be required.


Quite likely. Mutating is what viruses do, but by reducing infections, vaccines can help to prevent this.

originally posted by: nonspecific
I'm not sure a lot of people understand the huge impact that vaxination has had on humanity or they wouldn't be so scared of it.

People talk about the human immune system like it's something magical but history can clearly show us that is not really the case.

The fact that so many people are here and able to talk a lot of tosh and not have a covid jab is because countless millions either had a vaxination or survived some godawful pandemic in the past.

Take a look at mortality rates and infant mortality from a few hundred years ago.

Why people think that medicine is somehow superior to just hoping for the best baffles me, it really does.

Oh, I completely understand the ramifications behind vaccines. I trust that they helped eradicate some diseases that would have otherwise ravaged humanity. However, Covid is not one of them.

There is absolutely no reason to justify the need to vaccinate 7 billions people for Covid. All things considered, our ancestors would probably totally be ashamed of us seeing how easily we are being put on our knees by this new coronavirus. This "pandemic" is nothing like the real ones we had to overcome in our history. You know, the kind of pandemic that literally killed millions of people in an instant.

Vaccines didn't exist back then, yet we are still here on ATS talking. You're telling me science is the only reason humanity is still thriving but the truth is we are naturally built towards survival. Vaccination is only one more tool at our disposal... nothing more, nothing less.

What this member said. ^^^^

originally posted by: St0rD
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

My man...

You clearly don't have a clue what's going on huh?

You're telling me about restrictions being lifted away "because" of so-called vaccines. You say that like it was a good thing. For real, how delusionnal can you be?

Your main argument seems to be about being vaccinated to get more freedom. The kind of liberties you had freely before the whole Covid hysteria. So what's your point? The restrictions you're talking about should not even be there in the first place. You rejoice when they pretend to give you more freedom when they are simply giving you back what you had from the start...

And yet you're talking about embarassment....

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originally posted by: St0rD

originally posted by: nonspecific
I'm not sure a lot of people understand the huge impact that vaxination has had on humanity or they wouldn't be so scared of it.

People talk about the human immune system like it's something magical but history can clearly show us that is not really the case.

The fact that so many people are here and able to talk a lot of tosh and not have a covid jab is because countless millions either had a vaxination or survived some godawful pandemic in the past.

Take a look at mortality rates and infant mortality from a few hundred years ago.

Why people think that medicine is somehow superior to just hoping for the best baffles me, it really does.

Oh, I completely understand the ramifications behind vaccines. I trust that they helped eradicate some diseases that would have otherwise ravaged humanity. However, Covid is not one of them.

There is absolutely no reason to justify the need to vaccinate 7 billions people for Covid. All things considered, our ancestors would probably totally be ashamed of us seeing how easily we are being put on our knees by this new coronavirus. This "pandemic" is nothing like the real ones we had to overcome in our history. You know, the kind of pandemic that literally killed millions of people in an instant.

Vaccines didn't exist back then, yet we are still here on ATS talking. You're telling me science is the only reason humanity is still thriving but the truth is we are naturally built towards survival. Vaccination is only one more tool at our disposal... nothing more, nothing less.

This is the winning answer in this thread.

A T T E N T I O N!!

The title of this thread is "The Insanity behind Covid" and NOT yourselves or each other! Please post on topic and forego the personal jabs and rancor.

Thank you.

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a reply to: St0rD

Ya pretty much everything is more likely to kill you then the corona respiratory viruses. Your way way way more likely to die of the flu or a car crash, or cancer, or the other # they put in food, or you name it.

Though didn't the people who worked on developing the vaccines say that in there trials on cats. All the cats who were vaccinated latter died when they contracted the virus in the wild.

I mean there hasn't been anything that the mainstream media hasn't been lying on, I mean from the gulf of tonkin, or 911, but everything from the war in irag, to all the # after, and before, since the 1960s or farther, cant think of one thing which now a days? Didnt turn out to be a lie.

And this corona thing? Was there anything about it which wasn't some big giant convoluted lie. May as well piss on there back and tell people its raining.


Anyways. Bhaaa.

I disagree.

Last pandemics have ravaged humanity but the world we live in now is nothing like the one we did before.

It is my opinion that the true threat of covid 19 is what it could become if allowed to run riot and mutate and we are starting to see this now.

International travel on an unprecedented scale combined with local travel now expanded to a far larger area combined with a far higher global population means that any pandemic is bound to be potentially more dangerous nthan those of the past.

Global population in 1918 is estimated at around 1.8 billion. The population of India is around 1.4 billion now as is the population of China.

The ability for a virus to spread,mutate and become more dangerous is the real concern if you ask me.

You say that we survived pandemics before and we did but with massive mortality rates and I'd like to think we can avoid that and if if means our generation has to man up and deal with a few reduced freedoms like international travel and constant shopping trips without a bit of cloth on our face then for me that's an easy decision to make.

originally posted by: St0rD

originally posted by: nonspecific
I'm not sure a lot of people understand the huge impact that vaxination has had on humanity or they wouldn't be so scared of it.

People talk about the human immune system like it's something magical but history can clearly show us that is not really the case.

The fact that so many people are here and able to talk a lot of tosh and not have a covid jab is because countless millions either had a vaxination or survived some godawful pandemic in the past.

Take a look at mortality rates and infant mortality from a few hundred years ago.

Why people think that medicine is somehow superior to just hoping for the best baffles me, it really does.

Oh, I completely understand the ramifications behind vaccines. I trust that they helped eradicate some diseases that would have otherwise ravaged humanity. However, Covid is not one of them.

There is absolutely no reason to justify the need to vaccinate 7 billions people for Covid. All things considered, our ancestors would probably totally be ashamed of us seeing how easily we are being put on our knees by this new coronavirus. This "pandemic" is nothing like the real ones we had to overcome in our history. You know, the kind of pandemic that literally killed millions of people in an instant.

Vaccines didn't exist back then, yet we are still here on ATS talking. You're telling me science is the only reason humanity is still thriving but the truth is we are naturally built towards survival. Vaccination is only one more tool at our disposal... nothing more, nothing less.

a reply to: St0rD

In England, Freedom is July 19th... but... SAGE are now saying to expect 100k cases per day in August... thats' with most of the population vaccinated. So... does that mean the vaccines do not work as they were intended?? Or the vaccines will stop people getting seriously ill?? When I say seriously ill, it was only those over 70 who became seriously ill in the first place.

Have the vaccines been a waste of time??

People who have had the vaccines will still catch it and spread it and could still end up in hospital with this Indoan/Delta variant!

I guess we will see in the Autumn and winter if the vaccines work or not.

a reply to: St0rD

You have to get tested so many times, I don't have to get tested, but I was told last week I have to wear a mask indefinitely if I choose not to be vaccinated at work, it's so unfair.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

A few clarifying points:

-COVID-19 is a vascular disease, meaning it decreases your ability to transport and use oxygen. It isn't a respiratory disease.

-You're more likely to die of COVID-19 than the flu or in a car crash. You're right about cancer though. Everyone dies of cancer if you live long enough.