Government report finds evidence of advanced technology

This is huge but sadly people want to tip toe around this subject because of their own biases. You see misleading headlines like the Government finds no evidence of aliens.

This is clear evidence of advanced technology. We have U.F,O.'s that have been flying in our skies since humans could record them on cave walls. These U.F.O.'s evade our best planes and can cause nuke sites to malfunction.

There's only one logical inference that can be made. These U.F.O.'s are connected to alien intelligence.

Again, people want to say it could be weather balloons, birds or some other nonsense.

We know other countries can't have advanced technology because of Moore's Law. We can say that no Country has a scaled up quantum computer because they can't have that technology yet. If they have advanced technology it was given to them by aliens and Germany would have won WW2 or Russia would dominate the world economy.

The only explanation that explains all of the data surrounding U.F.O.'s is extraterrestrial/extradimensional intelligence.

Science always makes logical inferences.

It makes no sense to draw an inference based on the evidence that U.F.O.'s are weather balloons or anything natural. We don't have a cult of weather balloon people releasing millions of weather balloons that can evade planes and cause nukes to malfunction.

6. "In 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics. Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion. In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings."

www.cnn.com...

Again, there'sno other logical inference to make. One of the U.F.O.'s I saw that looked like a small probe passed right in front of me. I remember clearly because it was crazy windy that day and I had to push against the wind as I walked to the store across the street. This probe was moving against the wind. It slowed down then sped off.

This is clear evidence of advanced technology in our skies and clear evidence by logical inference of alien intelligence.

Shouldn't we prove that off world aliens exist first, much less intelligent ones, before we say they have advanced technology? That seems like an intelligent task first.






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a reply to: neoholographic

It's certainly interesting, what bothers me is the sudden interest by the government. And it's not just fleeting, one moment it's poo poo, next they're taking it seriously, it just doesn't add up in terms of how people collate things. We could argue the the gov isn't a person and therefore isn't susceptible to the same type of 'psychological exposure' yet that raises more questions.

Questions like, Should a military presence of mind represent the people who pay taxes, or congress? Should such a thing be decided by separate nations or planet wide? Headbanging questions, someone call pHaaagEEE, no please don't. We like sensible discussion here.

a reply to: neoholographic
Preface: I don't really have a bias. I'm okay if ET or ED craft are visiting the planet and I'm okay if they are not. I'm more interested in the truth.

We know other countries can't have advanced technology because of Moore's Law.

Moore's so-called law is not a law at all, it is an observation/projection of trends. I don't think we can use it to say anything about what other countries can or cannot have regarding technology, or where they got it.

I certainly do not negate the possibility of an ET/ED presence on earth, because I think it is one possibility, but it is not the only possibility, in my opinion.

As someone who depends on technology for my living, I am familiar with R&D and its sometimes uneasy relationship with national security. Any tech that has made it to the consumer marketplace is already obsolete the day it is released, by a considerable amount.

I'm not disagreeing with your assertion as much as I think a balanced approach to it is more beneficial. There just isn't enough evidence at this point to make such a firm conclusion. Again, in my opinion. That said, I can't say you're conclusions are wrong, for the very reasons I've already stated.

a reply to: neoholographic

There's only one logical inference that can be made. These U.F.O.'s are connected to alien intelligence.

There is probably some intelligence behind a lot of UFO's, but to say they are aliens is a big leap of logic. There are other more plausible explanations.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: neoholographic

There's only one logical inference that can be made. These U.F.O.'s are connected to alien intelligence.

There is probably some intelligence behind a lot of UFO's, but to say they are aliens is a big leap of logic. There are other more plausible explanations.

Other more plausible explanations...

Who's craft has the ability to fly at 10,000 miles per hour in our atmosphere without creating a sonic boom, can turn a 90 degree turn at that speed, has no visible means of propulsion....even before the microchip was invented?

Who's craft can approach an intercontinental ballistic missile mid flight at around 15,000 miles per hour and detach the warhead then fly back in the direction it came from?

Who's craft can fly all the way into U.S. restricted airspace bypassing radar systems, protocols and defenses, approach a nuclear missile silo and proceed to arm then disarm the missile?

What are your "more plausible explanations"

a reply to: Alien Abduct

The most obvious explanation is that we are seeing experimental man made crafts, a warp drive craft would have all the abilities you described. I have shown in previous threads that there's virtually no chance aliens could have detected our presence and traveled to us in the small time we've been releasing radio signals into space even if they had FTL warp drives. You could argue they've been here all along for thousands of years, but I also don't think they would travel many light years just to slink around our atmosphere without making contact, and we see no evidence of hyper advanced civilizations in the universe. However I don't necessarily think humans have discovered a way to build warp drive yet because it's very complicated. Which leads into a more complex set of questions, like what happens if humans do find a way of warping space-time at some point in the future.

Why UFO's are man-made

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The most obvious explanation is that we are seeing experimental man made crafts

Really??

Man had the ability to fly at 10,000 miles per hour in our atmosphere without creating a sonic boom, can turn a 90 degree turn at that speed, has no visible means of propulsion or wings whatsoever....even before the microchip was invented?


Yeah sure that's plausible....


No chance aliens could have detected us and flown here? So says the barely conscious talking monkey. LoL any sufficiently advanced alien tech would literally seem like magic to us. You have not even the slightest clue what an alien civilization a million years ahead of us would be capable of.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Man had the ability to fly at 10,000 miles per hour in our atmosphere without creating a sonic boom, can turn a 90 degree turn at that speed, has no visible means of propulsion or wings whatsoever....even before the microchip was invented?

Why is it possible for aliens to design such a craft but not humans? You clearly didn't take the time to read the thread I linked or the logic behind my arguments. Like I said, a warp-drive can achieve all these things by warping space around the craft rather than move through space. Whether or not you believe some secret project has managed to build such a drive is another question. The more important question is, what will happen if we do manage it.

You have not even the slightest clue what an alien civilization a million years ahead of us would be capable of.

But I know what the limits to the laws of physics are. There are very clear laws which tell us why traveling even close to the speed of light is virtually impossible, and a warp drive is one of the very few loopholes which might allow us to get around those limitations, but they still have a wide array of very difficult problems that need to be solved before it will be possible.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'm gonna type this out for a third time for you. I'll highlight the most relevant part....


Man had the ability to fly at 10,000 miles per hour in our atmosphere without creating a sonic boom, can turn a 90 degree turn at that speed, has no visible means of propulsion or wings whatsoever....even before the microchip was invented?

You know, in the 1940's...when a lage percentage of even the most advanced nations on the planet still traveled by HORSE. Because we didn't just start seeing these things yesterday.

Explain how you think that is possible.

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But I know what the limits to the laws of physics are.

I am very aware of our understanding of the laws of physics being that I have been studying physics for 20 years. I also know that our understanding of these "laws" are subject to change.

If humans have gone from no indoor plumbing or electricity in a couple hundred years to exploring planets in our solar system, any civilization that is thousands or millions of years ahead of us, surely wouldn’t be seen, tracked, videoed.

That’s a F15 during the Dark Ages to the 1000th power.

The “they want to be seen” theory is fine except being “seen” and not manifesting themselves to the masses is no different than them not being here at all.

You fly F15s around the skies over Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th and you choose not to prevent the start of America’s involvement in WW2. Then you simply didn’t matter. You may as well have not been in the air to begin with.

That’s depraved indifference. You have tech or knowledge that can prevent death & destruction but fail to deploy? That’s criminal. In any star system.

Also, modern militaries have had plenty of incidents shooting down civilian aircraft. Yet, in all of these UAP/UFO encroachments into restricted airspace, not a single bullet fired. Why?

If it is ET/ED, they wouldn’t have to share their full knowledge/tech. Just enough to unite us in pursuit of peace, safety, and health. Bring us along slowly.

Now, to do so via world governments…. yeah, I’ll pass.

Traversing galaxies, dimensions, or wormholes, to arrive and be a non factor… then why come? Driving the fire truck around the block but never stopping to put out the fire…. evil in itself.

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Either you are correct or another species evolved on this planet that is way more advanced than we are.

The gods of old.

Too many cultures speak of a contact with advanced beings or 'gods' if you will from their earliest collective consciousness.


Whoever they are, they have been here for a long time.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

I'm gonna type this out for a third time for you. I'll highlight the most relevant part....

Since it seems you haven't caught onto what I'm insinuating, let me put it into black and white terms. Future humans discover way to warp space-time. Warp drives bend the fabric of space-time. The craft not only travels through space in unconventional ways but also travels through time in unconventional ways.

I also know that these "laws" are subject to change.

Ok lets assume Einstein was wrong in some very fundamental way and that aliens can instantly travel to us, or maybe they found a way to create a wormhole between our planet and their own, which isn't totally impossible according to current science. It's still a leap of logic to assume they also have the ability to detect our presence before the microchip was even invented. And why are they so humanoid, why can they apparently breath in our atmosphere and even breed with humans according to countless abductee reports?

Plus we also have to take into account the extremely low probability that there is any species millions of years old within a reasonable distance from us, especially considering we see none of the telltale sings such a civilization would have. The only argument you can really make with any logical justification is that aliens seeded us on this planet so they've been here all along, and it's fair enough if you want to believe that but as time goes on that theory feels less and less plausible to me for a number of reasons.

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I think they are extra-dimensional. I think they originate from a higher dimension. I don't know how they got here or where they are from but they are here.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'm gonna type this out for a third time for you. I'll highlight the most relevant part....


Man had the ability to fly at 10,000 miles per hour in our atmosphere without creating a sonic boom, can turn a 90 degree turn at that speed, has no visible means of propulsion or wings whatsoever....even before the microchip was invented?

You know, in the 1940's...when a lage percentage of even the most advanced nations on the planet still traveled by HORSE. Because we didn't just start seeing these things yesterday.

Explain how you think that is possible.

BINGO!!!

It amazes me how people will accept nonsense over the most logical and simple explanation. Alien intelligence is the only explanation that explains U.F.O.'s. These U.F.O.'s have been flying in our skies since men could record them on cave walls.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Considering the theory I suggested, I'll try to take this seriously, because I guess there is a remote chance it's true, but I find it to be a very hand-wavy method of dismissing all the very physical non-interdimensional aspects of this phenomena. Plus all the experiments we have carried out suggest there are only 3 dimensions to our universe plus a time dimension, so string theory isn't correct. I cannot help but object to this notion some super spiritual or mystical beings from far away or from another dimension are here to spread light and love, when all they do is hide in the shadows and when they do interact with humans they show them horrific scenes of a future Earth or they put them through traumatic medical procedures. Like I said in my other thread, it's a dangerous belief system to have.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: ChaoticOrder


I think they are extra-dimensional. I think they originate from a higher dimension. I don't know how they got here or where they are from but they are here.

I think both. I think extraterrestrialandextradimensional beings.

Some U.F.O.'s behave just like you would excpect a higher dimensional object to behave.

Sometimes you see 3D U.F.O.'s popping into then out of existence. If we were to pass a 3D basketball through a 2D universe they would see 2D objects popping into and out of existence because they can see the 3rd dimension.

So if a 4D craft passed through our 3D universe we would see 3D U.F.O.'s popping into and out of existence as the 4D object passed through our universe.

Alien intelligence? Or Artificial intelligence?

Or perhaps, Alien Artificial Intelligence. The next best thing to "being there", especially when "there" is a few thousand light years away...and you can't make the trip "in person". Assuming of course that you'd be recognized as something the "natives" would call a "person".


Warp drives? Puny human, we don't need no stinking "warp drives"!

It is only necessary to warp (space)time to traverse space if/when you possess a weak, simplistic brain incapable of fully comprehending that Space is a by-product of the illusion that Time (as you so quaintly call it) is a linear phenomenon.

If your underdeveloped minds could perceive as fact that Time does not actually exist, that linearity is nothing but a consensual fallacy, constructed to prevent over-taxing your embryonic brains, you would be able to comprehend that Space, and all the vastness you perceive it to encompass, is just an illusion you have created to maintain your own sanity.

We don't need warp drives, we simply appear wherever/whenever we desire...because we are, you might say, already there.

It is true, you can't handle the truth!

a reply to: neoholographic

Any sufficiently advanced magic looks like technology.