Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
As far more high risk people have been fully vaccinated this suggest the vaccine is working.

Please expand and explain .
As stated , that makes no sense.

"Was that sarcasm ?"

If 50% of the population is vaccinated you would expect 50% of those infected to be vaccinated if there was no protection. Anything less than that would show the vaccine is protective.

If 50% of the people infected with the new strain are vaccinated, you would expect 50% of those who die would be vaccinated. Anything under 50% would show the vaccine is protective.

So without having access to more data, it appears the vaccine is either preventing infection with the new strain or making it less likely to be a serious illness.

a reply to: daskakik

So let's just say, for illustrative purposes, that 4,200 have been infected with this variant and of these 4.2k 12 died with both shots. That changes that 29% a lot.

Are you having a laugh? Let’s say for illustrative purposes you’re talking out of your arse and 4.2k don’t believe your BS but 12 do. That fudges the statistics a lot.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
As far more high risk people have been fully vaccinated this suggest the vaccine is working.

Please expand and explain .
As stated , that makes no sense.

"Was that sarcasm ?"

If 50% of the population is vaccinated you would expect 50% of those infected to be vaccinated if there was no protection. Anything less than that would show the vaccine is protective.

If 50% of the people infected with the new strain are vaccinated, you would expect 50% of those who die would be vaccinated. Anything under 50% would show the vaccine is protective.

So without having access to more data, it appears the vaccine is either preventing infection with the new strain or making it less likely to be a serious illness.

Are you the original poster ?
Are you on topic with the original post and my reply ?
No to both .

off hand, 30 positives out of 40 tested would be roughly 3 out-of- 4 or 75% have COVID19...

which illustrates the 'vaxxine is not effective at all !

i think maybe the tests are showing the presence of Spike-Proteins instead of the disease CoV-SARS-2 or whatever

End this stupid pandemic already.
Vaccine is not immortal or life span extension drug !
Such as waste of time.
Even Alkaline water can work better than most "vaccine" !

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
As far more high risk people have been fully vaccinated this suggest the vaccine is working.

Please expand and explain .
As stated , that makes no sense.

"Was that sarcasm ?"

If 50% of the population is vaccinated you would expect 50% of those infected to be vaccinated if there was no protection. Anything less than that would show the vaccine is protective.

If 50% of the people infected with the new strain are vaccinated, you would expect 50% of those who die would be vaccinated. Anything under 50% would show the vaccine is protective.

So without having access to more data, it appears the vaccine is either preventing infection with the new strain or making it less likely to be a serious illness.

Are you the original poster ?
Are you on topic with the original post and my reply ?
No to both .

It is on topic as explains why the numbers indicate the vaccine is effective at reducing deaths.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777
Thank you for posting
I have a few questions and maybe someone of you there can help me with it:
Maybe not exact the right time and place but .... sorry than ...
First:
Do people who are not vaccinated can develop ADE as easy as people who are vaccinated? For example: I am not vaccinated, get covid - recover - get infected with variant --> will I be in a better position than someone who is vaccinated?
I don't say ADE will be a covid issue ... but you never know.
And if ADE would become an issue - let's say next year: is it better to be vaccinated or not. My guess is: better not vaccinated, so my immune system will not be too compromised ... but I honnestly don't have a clue .... I'm far from educated ... although I have the impression that highly educated people in the field are contradicting each other ... and that the critics are gaining ground ... hope I' m wrong, because my whole family is vaccinated ... except me ... only reason: a bad hunch ... I learned I better trust my intuition ... long story ...

That’s not how you do math, that’s how you spread fear. Zero science in this drippy fear porn

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
If I'm reading this right, would that equate to 29% of 50million vaccinated?? If so, that means the vaccines aren't really working as they were supposed to. 29% of 42 people is 12, so if 50 million people died and 29% had both vaccines, that would equate to 14,500,000. Also 23 of the 42 were unvaccinated whilst 7 had recieved their first Jab. This would mean 58% or so dying of 50 million people without the vaccine or 29Million people.

Looking at the data I guess having both jabs would make a huge difference but still 14.5 million of those who chose to be vaccinated could or would still die, so I guess the question is : Is it worth having both Jabs?? 7 died who had only 1 jab, so to me it would seem 1 jab is better than 2 jabs?? Or risk having no jab at all because you can also die from taking the vaccine but not the virus?? Or is "FEAR" still the main objective here and lies are a plenty??

Almost a third of the 42 Britons who have so far died from the Indian (Delta) Covid had been double jabbed, a new report has revealed. With the Prime Minister on the verge of delaying 'Freedom Day' by up to four weeks, new analysis by Public Health England (PHE) has revealed that 29 per cent of Covid deaths from the B.1.617.2 strain had received two injections. And, in a further blow, the PHE report suggests the Delta variant has a 64 per cent increased risk of household transmission compared to the Kent (Alpha) variant. It is also believed to be 40 per cent more transmissible outdoors, according to the PHE figures. The Delta strain is now the UK's most dominant, with more than 90 per cent of Covid cases in the UK now the Indian variant, according to PHE. Amid rising case numbers, the new report has raised fears among some scientists that the UK could be swamped with a third Covid wave.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

No it wouldn't, it's not 29% of infections die, it's 29% of deaths are vaccinated.

Thats what i've been saying: 29% of deaths out of 50 million people and those 29% had the vaccine, would mean 14.5 mil people who took the vaccine would still die taking the 12 people dying out of 42.

Anyway i'm tired and going to sleep

Why do you think 50 million will die from this covid strain?

I'm not saying 50 million will die... it's just a what do ya call it...

Figuritively speaking?? I think is the phrase.

Come on... you know what I'm saying...

a reply to: St Udio


Yes that is the big blunder, people are still getting the virus regardless because viruses in this time and age are still very hard to kill and treat.

But the push for the china injection was no about the virus but the injection itself and what it is been injected and the fact that is an agenda behind the new way to start gene targeting of individuals where china is already one step ahead from the rest of the world.

Elderly people that received the shot still are getting sick and with risks of dying from pneumonia with covid as they are with the flu or any other upper respiratory virus.

Telling people that this shot will help if you get the virus is a big lie, we already have seen this, we are not stupid, the shot will not cure covid at all and covid was never the killer virus that Saucy Fascist told everybody it was going to be.

If you are healthy covid will be like any flu you had before.

First off, if you believe ANY of the numbers from last year on COVID.... then we're done. Just go get all 3 vaccines and stay in your basement with your double masks on. The "positive" test cases were shown more times than I can reference to be utter nonsense. The COVID "deaths" were tracked completely different that anything else in our recent history. Comparing anything from then to now is going to be highly inaccurate.

Imagine if they tracked vaccine related illnesses and deaths the same as they did COVID last year. No one would be getting jabbed.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Well your math aside for the moment CrazeeWorld777.

Where did the 14.5 million dead bodies go?

Don't you imagine such an ludicrous amount of death would be rather apparent?

Short of Soylent Green becoming a thing the logistics involved of disposing of such for a start don't even bear thinking about.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Can I ask a couple dumb questions???...

a.) What percentage of the overall population has died from the Delta variant? Pick any random sample group size. And...

b.) What percentage of those (unvaccinated) exposed to the Delta variant have died? And lastly, ...

c.) What percentage of (unvaccinated) persons symptomatic with the Delta variant have died?

Answer these questions, and THEN the statistic in the OP might be a whole lot more meaningful.

The data is so hopelessly skewed and deceitfully manipulated a discussion on percentages is pretty well an exercise in futility.

a reply to: marg6043

Yes that is the big blunder, people are still getting the virus regardless because viruses in this time and age are still very hard to kill and treat.

The bigger blunder is, that if we kill enough of them, they come back bigger and stronger.

We are nurturing and growing the seeds of our own demise.

Our desire to kill everything that we don't understand and that we fear, will likely trigger an invasion. It won't be from outer space, it will be right in our noses.

a reply to: vonclod

It's a personal choice to take, or not.

Yes everybody should make their own choices, "my body my choice" has never been more correct.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

COVID 19 don't have a look in where Humanity is concerned.

We are the macro virus in spades, considering what we do to the host, aka our very own beloved planet Earth.

I don't think you are to far wrong anyroad.

Not with a bang but with a whimper will probably be the colour of humanities day at some point should we keep on heading in our direction of travel.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I agree, I always said that we humans will be our own demise as a species, we are not special, we are not from divine intervention as religious believes in order to devastate and kill at will other species because the bible tells us soo.

We are just another species in earth and sadly do not respect other species, we have potential we have free will and can do soo much for each other, but is greed and greed will kill us all.


Like any other species the stronger survive or pay to survive

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

If it wasn’t for the vaccines, we wouldn’t even be talking about this scamdemic anymore. One lie being perpetuated into infinite lies.

I’m sick of the sh!t.

The CDC keeps changing what qualifies Covid-19 as an epidemic in the USA.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: BarbaraTheEnlightened1
I'd be happy to help if I can

A 'swapsie' as we call them over here would be great thank you!
Shall we take this to PM?
Rainbows
Jane

Bless you, Jane, I am just composing my message.I have quite the list of ailments. I am overjoyed to find you. Here in the states any old quack can claim to be clinically trained! But I understand the laws are very different in the UK which reassures me you are medically trained.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
Are you having a laugh? Let’s say for illustrative purposes you’re talking out of your arse and 4.2k don’t believe your BS but 12 do. That fudges the statistics a lot.

Not in regards to the topic of the thread.

Now, 4.2k was used because 42 (the number of deaths in the OP) is 1% of 4.2k. So using that as a somewhat believable death rate, we see that OP is focusing only on deaths and not including the other 99% and that does change the results.