Passengers On First Fully Vaccinated North American Cruise Test Positive For Covid-19

originally posted by: DreamerOracle
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

You can still catch it, you are less likely to need hospitalisation and limits the fatal effects... BUT THEN EVERYONE KNEW THIS ALREADY.

Seems some people a whole 2 years in, still didn't follow the information about vaccines, Covid and the facts therein.

Seems you Embrace Ignorance and not "Deny It."

If the primary benefit of vaccination is to avoid complications or elevated risk factors resulting in hospitalization, but we have data that shows that *only* certain segments of society demonstrate these elevated risk factors (i.e. the elderly and those with comorbidities like asthma or obesity), why the huge thrust to vaccinate EVERYONE, not just the vulnerable? It is not logical in my view.

The chatter and narrative and cover story to push mass vaccination was not long ago "HurD ImMuniTy", but alas, for a fast mutating respiratory pathogen, when and how were ever going to achieve herd immunity by vaccinating the entire public?

Why hasn't herd immunity been achieved with influenza? Could it be related to the mutations and strains, and the fact that one vaccinated for influenza can STILL become infected, and STILL be a carrier (I know, these things have happened to me)?

But these things generally can't be spoken of in most circles, lest one be dubbed an "science denying AnTi-VaXUuuur", despite many of us being pro-vaccine (for those who really need it) and pro-science and data (only *not* the kind of goal post moving, number fudging and statistic tweaking "science" that the CDC engages in).

So, the $1million question is....CAN the cruise ship return to port, and CAN the "non-infected" passengers disembark from the ship and return to the US *straight-away* without quarantining and without a cool-off/isolation period??

I know here in Connecticut when school kids are shown to be in proximity to positive tests, through contact tracing, they are removed from school. Further, if they participate in organized sports, EVEN if they don't test positive, they must quarantine and stay away from organized team activities for 10 days.

Wonder if the cruisers will be treated any differently than their children/grandchildren.

This has always been the fear and concern I have about the cruise ships; FCD mentioned it earlier in the thread. I won't step foot on a ship that I am not in a position to leave of my own accord, once the trip is over.

Are we still quarantining and keeping the ship out of port if there are infections on board, or have we decided to relax that concern now that the political and social terrain is different?

That is a good point. Doesn’t this also show those with vax need to wear masks still for the safety of the public? They are spreading still.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

And they all lived happily ever after...

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
This goes to prove that Irony can be pretty Ironic sometimes.

I can’t stop laughing! Most pro Vaxer’s have been so rude and nasty to the anti- vaxer’s. It is ironic

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

OK, people. Let's get this straight, being vaccinated mean you don't get sick, not that the virus can't exist in your body.

An EMT who deals with an OD victim could have drug residue all over them, but that doesn't make them an addict.

A cop who is called in to deal with murder can have blood all over them but that doesn't make them the killer or the victim.

These covid swabs will detect the virus on your hands, or on your pants, or up your backside. Even if you've been vaccinated.

This doesn't mean that vaccines are worthless.

Will you Liberal doommongers please get you senseless fears in check and get them off of this forum.

I get it, you hate Trump, you don't trust a vaccine made in RECORD TIME on his watch, but it's safe and effective and all of your Liberal doom porn spread on fake news sites and BitChute won't change that. So deal with it.

originally posted by: Neobucket
That is a good point. Doesn’t this also show those with vax need to wear masks still for the safety of the public? They are spreading still.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

They need to wear masks to protect the anti vaxxers.

Someone who has had both shot has a 1:22000 Chance of having symptomatic covid. It's 1:2000 for an anti vaxer.

Being vaccinated cuts you risk of transmission by 50 percent. So your twice as safe with a vaxxer as an anti vaxxer.

These masks are to protect people like you.

You bringing up masks is like saying that we should disarm conservatives to protect BLM peaceful protestors from being shot as they peaceful thrown peaceful firebombs at you, peacefully.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Neobucket
That is a good point. Doesn’t this also show those with vax need to wear masks still for the safety of the public? They are spreading still.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

They need to wear masks to protect the anti vaxxers.

Someone who has had both shot has a 1:22000 Chance of having symptomatic covid. It's 1:2000 for an anti vaxer.

Being vaccinated cuts you risk of transmission by 50 percent. So your twice as safe with a vaxxer as an anti vaxxer.

These masks are to protect people like you.

You bringing up masks is like saying that we should disarm conservatives to protect BLM peaceful protestors from being shot as they peaceful thrown peaceful firebombs at you, peacefully.

It’s very simple. You believe you are protecting yourself with the vax, cool.

Why do you believe you can take your mask off? Because you are protected? You’re still pissing on everyone, your stream is just a little weaker now than mine.

You’re far more turned on by the class division than showing interest in saving lives. Keep your mask on for everyone’s sake (or admit you only wore it for fear to protect yourself).

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

I don't have anything to do with this debacle.

It's quite simply the never ending fiasco.

And nobody knows WTF they're even doing.

The thing I think most about with cruising is many in the U.S. go to small Caribbean Islands. Thousands of people at a time pour in. I would imagine that many places have probably 1 hospital. Not sure on the Vax rates on them.

So thousands of people pouring in, which they rely on for their economy. I've seen many posts on cruise line boards talking about other passengers don't have to fear the non vaxxed if they've had the Vax. True, but what about these excursion guides, wait staff, store workers on tiny islands, heck just people in general on an island? A small island's health system cannot handle a severe outbreak.

Of course your body, your choice, but maybe not cruise then if you have absolutely no regard for others who may have to be exposed to thousands of non vaxxed people just to make a living?

originally posted by: frogs453
The thing I think most about with cruising is many in the U.S. go to small Caribbean Islands. Thousands of people at a time pour in. I would imagine that many places have probably 1 hospital. Not sure on the Vax rates on them.

So thousands of people pouring in, which they rely on for their economy. I've seen many posts on cruise line boards talking about other passengers don't have to fear the non vaxxed if they've had the Vax. True, but what about these excursion guides, wait staff, store workers on tiny islands, heck just people in general on an island? A small island's health system cannot handle a severe outbreak.

Of course your body, your choice, but maybe not cruise then if you have absolutely no regard for others who may have to be exposed to thousands of non vaxxed people just to make a living?

Are we reading the same article?

The story from this report concerns a cruise where everyone on board, from the passengers to the waiters to the captain, were all vaccinated.

Yet somehow, 2 people on the cruise tested positive for COVID-19.

Thanks goodness they are "asymptomatic" though PHEW!. So now everything you just said about "anti-vaxxers" blundering about and infecting occupants of small Caribbean islands, could very well have just occurred, compliment of and despite the best intentions of our "fully vaxxed" moral, physical and intellectual superiors.

If one reads this story and is not in any way provoked to think critically and wonder about the merit and virtue of "vax-only" this, that, cruises, sporting events, seating, restaurants, etc, I don't know what else to tell you.

The Pfizer vaccine is only 95% effective in reducing risk of COVID-19 by 0.8%.

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originally posted by: Neobucket
That is a good point. Doesn’t this also show those with vax need to wear masks still for the safety of the public? They are spreading still.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Masks don't do sh!t...but yeah, if following virtue signaling protocol, yes they should still be wearing masks.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: Neobucket
That is a good point. Doesn’t this also show those with vax need to wear masks still for the safety of the public? They are spreading still.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Masks don't do sh!t...but yeah, if following virtue signaling protocol, yes they should still be wearing masks.

Why is it so hard to stay consistent for some?