Are these UFOs 3-D plasma hologram tech?

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Archivalist
Holograms that give back radar returns, now I've heard everything.

www.science.gov...

I read about 6-7 snippets, before I realized that what I was implying is still an impossibility.

My post is not discredited by your random ass link. None of those results have anything to do, with a hologram, giving a radar return.

I am sorry.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: Mark08
I guess anything is possible, i just dont understand how people have been seeing them even before there was any type of tech so to speak.

I understand that argument, but only UFO-enthusiasts are saying that. It's not relevant to the Pentagon report coming out at the end of the month.

What???? LMAO

Dude there have been radar recordings, photos and eye witness accounts since at least the 1940's. You cannot simply dismiss them all and cherry pick only the cases that fit your little theory.

Some UAPs/UFOs are extraterrestrials.

I'm completely agreeing with you, I'm just trying to debunk the idea that humans can build these crafts...I think if they could, they would fake it, and this is my suggestion for how they would **for the encounters happening at military bases**

They said they have no evidence for ET, not me...so I'm just playing along with what they're saying...

originally posted by: Archivalist

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Archivalist
Holograms that give back radar returns, now I've heard everything.

www.science.gov...

I read about 6-7 snippets, before I realized that what I was implying is still an impossibility.

My post is not discredited by your random ass link. None of those results have anything to do, with a hologram, giving a radar return.

I am sorry.

You just have to develop a hologram that radio waves can come into contact with.

originally posted by: Archivalist
Holograms that give back radar returns, now I've heard everything.

Is it not possible to fake a radar signature? If so, wouldn't that combined with holographic technology be a possibility?

Radar jamming and deception

a reply to: smurfy

I know, I was lazy in my search so that was the video I found first, a deeper look would undoubtedly have brought up a better video on the tale somewhere on the tube.
Sorry about that.

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: Archivalist

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Archivalist
Holograms that give back radar returns, now I've heard everything.

www.science.gov...

I read about 6-7 snippets, before I realized that what I was implying is still an impossibility.

My post is not discredited by your random ass link. None of those results have anything to do, with a hologram, giving a radar return.

I am sorry.

You just have to develop a hologram that radio waves can come into contact with.

Just?

Holographic images are not made of matter.

originally posted by tjocksteffe

Just?

Holographic images are not made of matter.

Just curious. Can you provide a source to confirm this information?

oops, double post

originally posted by: tjocksteffe

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: Archivalist

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Archivalist
Holograms that give back radar returns, now I've heard everything.

www.science.gov...

I read about 6-7 snippets, before I realized that what I was implying is still an impossibility.

My post is not discredited by your random ass link. None of those results have anything to do, with a hologram, giving a radar return.

I am sorry.

You just have to develop a hologram that radio waves can come into contact with.

Just?

Holographic images are not made of matter.

That depends upon your interpretation of matter, is light a particle (matter) or a wave (energy), it actually seems to straddle both states of being so arguably Holograms are both matter and energy, they are not Solid matter, not coarse matter and light unlike ordinary matter has no mass or so little mass that it more or less has no registerable mass, but in fact it does have mass enough to be trapped by intense gravity and can not escape a black hole so?.

Then there is the holographic universe theory, that is not a hologram but the idea uses that terminology (I am not a fan of the theory but it is pertinent to this idea so).

a reply to: LABTECH767

LoL, You were reading my mind. I decided to simplify.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
No doesn’t quite do it for me as an answer

People have been seeing them for hundreds of years

Yes, people saw something and didn't know what it was. That doesn't mean it had to be aliens and here's a clue as technology advanced the sightings change. First, you start out with flying chariots because that was the hi-tech at the time. Then cigar-shaped UFOs became the next item as dirigibles were the latest hi tech mode of transportation. Then you have Kenneth Arnold he created the modern flying saucer. What he actually saw was winged aircraft in his drawing look almost like today's flying wings. He described how it moved by saying it skipped like throwing a plate or saucer across the water.

So people pictured flying saucers and the next thing you know everyone saw them everywhere. Now the latest is we are moving on to floating triangles as saucers are becoming passe. As our technology changes so do what we see in the sky so what does this tell us? Well, it tells us that when someone sees something they can't explain their brain will fill in details for them if they were religious they may see an angel for example. This was big in the middle ages floating apparitions in the sky.

a reply to: dragonridr

Definitely a viable point.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: tjocksteffe

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: Archivalist

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Archivalist
Holograms that give back radar returns, now I've heard everything.

www.science.gov...

I read about 6-7 snippets, before I realized that what I was implying is still an impossibility.

My post is not discredited by your random ass link. None of those results have anything to do, with a hologram, giving a radar return.

I am sorry.

You just have to develop a hologram that radio waves can come into contact with.

Just?

Holographic images are not made of matter.

That depends upon your interpretation of matter, is light a particle (matter) or a wave (energy), it actually seems to straddle both states of being so arguably Holograms are both matter and energy, they are not Solid matter, not coarse matter and light unlike ordinary matter has no mass or so little mass that it more or less has no registerable mass, but in fact it does have mass enough to be trapped by intense gravity and can not escape a black hole so?.

Then there is the holographic universe theory, that is not a hologram but the idea uses that terminology (I am not a fan of the theory but it is pertinent to this idea so).

Photons dont have any rest mass.
So there is no mass "out there" in a holographic image.

The reason photons can be trapped in a black hole is because the gravity (actually mass and energy distribution) curves spacetime according to Einsteins field equations from the theory of general relativity.

And I see no connection to the holographic universe theory here at all. Please enlighten me if you can give some sort of scientific explanation.

a reply to: tjocksteffe

Nothing to do with Holographic Universe theory-

Have a read about RAM (radiation absorbent materials).
Have a read about LIPF's (laser induced plasma filaments).

If you could dynamically control the (ε) and (µ) of the plasma filament- what would a radar see?

a reply to: game over man

Supposedly Christopher Columbus saw one in 1492.

I do believe that the government/MIC has the tech to deceive visually, like Project Bluebeam. And supposedly they have tech to manipulate sounds, and get inside your head...but I believe all this tech was given to them by those that have been on Earth, hidden below, not on spacecraft up above, even though the tech originated from up above.

It's easy to discuss "aliens" with almost everyone, but it's not too welcomed abroad to point to fallen angels as the culprits.

But that's my belief. There's a spirit world within our world, most people have experienced some sort of phenomenon that cannot be explained with conventional teachings. I've seen and heard what I need to see and hear to stand firm in my belief of God and the Bible. And not because of anything "Ancient Aliens" has shat on the floor.

a reply to: game over man

The Pentagon report will be nothing but déjà vu, same thing they say every year.

"There's a sucker born every minute." -- PT Barnum

originally posted by: tjocksteffe

Photons dont have any rest mass.
So there is no mass "out there" in a holographic image.

The reason photons can be trapped in a black hole is because the gravity (actually mass and energy distribution) curves spacetime according to Einsteins field equations from the theory of general relativity.

And I see no connection to the holographic universe theory here at all. Please enlighten me if you can give some sort of scientific explanation.

It's important to distinguish between a hologram and plasma.

A hologram is some number of beams/waves that, when projected just so, produce an image, and in some cases multi-dimensional images. I agree with you on your point concerning photons forming a hologram are not going to present a solid piece of matter to reflect a radar signature off of.

Plasma is an actual state of matter formed by super-heating gas or subjecting it to very strong EM forces or pressume. It *is* matter, and has mass, and in some cases can act very much like a 'solid' manifestation of a form of matter. This is discussed briefly at the end of the link, under "impermeable" plasma.

A hologram is something that could be operated as a means of deception for observers in the visible light spectrum, say a person standing on the deck of a ship.

A plasma blob could achieve the same thing, a ruse or deception targeting a more sophisticated system using EM detection and instrumentation, say a radar operator on that same ship or at an installation.

The OP I think is mainly referring to the idea of a plasma blob in reference to potential explanation for encounters like the USS Nimitz/TicTac incident. However, there are other "encounters" without the presence of a radar system where people report seeing odd phenomena, objects resembling craft or orbs or other strange objects that could potentially be explained as holographic projections.

This is a recurring idea that keeps popping up, over and over: the notion that a class of "sightings", particularly those where some object seems to move with such velocity and acceleration as to not obey physical laws of inertia or gravity. An explanation that has been raised (frequently on this sight I'd add) in lieu of say a craft piloted by ET/ED entities, or an advanced drone, is that these sightings could be a new tech using a combination of holos/plasma to give the appearance that incredibly advanced craft is darting about.

It is a very intriguing idea. My personal opinion is that the science theory is there to support use of such tech, but I have doubts that this is a viable, operational tech in use, in the field, right now. I think that we (people) lack the equipment and power generation and logistical infrastructure to operate a hoax like this, for many hours, over many 100's of square miles, at great altitude and beneath the surface of bodies of water. I have read and heard about lab findings that this tech *can* work, it can do the things we're discussing, but doing it in a controlled lab setting and doing it 50 miles off of San Diego are two different things entirely.

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: Mark08
I guess anything is possible, i just dont understand how people have been seeing them even before there was any type of tech so to speak.

I understand that argument, but only UFO-enthusiasts are saying that. It's not relevant to the Pentagon report coming out at the end of the month.

History is absolutely relevant, and not just for UFO-believers. One CAN ignore history, but that would be stupid. The report goes back 20 years, you think anyone had such magical plasma 4K holograms back then? In fact, the tech you speak of is JUST as magical as tech that can actually move a physical craft.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: game over man

No

They are extraterrestrial interstellar spacecraft that function using gravity distortion and manipulation.

Finally! I have been waiting on the scientific evidence of such proclamations since 1969! I eagerly await your post, laying it out there, thank you very much!

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Exactly, I'm glad you find my idea intriguing...When I thought of this I didn't even consider project blue beam.. If the Pentagon thinks these crafts are made by China or Russia, then advanced hologram tech is the only thing that could explain the sightings.

Regardless, whoever interviews these pilots and military people need to ask harder questions.