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The hard problem of consciousness

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posted on Jun, 3 2021 @ 01:31 AM
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Are you aware that even materialism/physicalism admits that all these experiences happen inside your skull ?


That’s not true. There is no experience without what exists outside the skull, the same world which the inside of the skull is a part.



posted on Jun, 3 2021 @ 05:53 AM
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the claim is not that there is no outside world, the claim is that what is outside is no different in nature than what is inside. We don't need to postulate the existence of a substance called matter on top of consciousness, this same matter that we then claim to be more fundamental than consciousness because its complexity is supposed to give birth to consciousness in the mainstream view.



posted on Jun, 3 2021 @ 05:57 AM
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"We are a way for the universe to know itself."



posted on Jun, 3 2021 @ 09:19 AM
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But what is inside is different in nature than what is outside. It’s biology, not consciousness—and from what we know biology is exceedingly rare throughout the universe. We don’t need to postulate something called “consciousness” on top of any of it.



posted on Jun, 3 2021 @ 09:32 AM
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: how can the world of matter give rise to the world of consciousness ?

Depends on whether we actually live in a world of matter or whether it is provided to us by our senses which are controlled by our consciousness.

The more we learn about the quantum universe the more we question our concept of reality.



posted on Jun, 3 2021 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: CitizenZero
a reply to: gosseyn

But what is inside is different in nature than what is outside. It’s biology, not consciousness—and from what we know biology is exceedingly rare throughout the universe. We don’t need to postulate something called “consciousness” on top of any of it.


How do you know that it is different in nature ? That's just a presumption, and that's the materialist/physicalist presumption. Everything that you know about what you call matter is given to you by your senses and is experienced in your consciousness, and everything else is a presumption. Without consciousness, matter has absolutely no qualities, it's just abstract numbers.



posted on Oct, 13 2021 @ 11:38 PM
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Ah, the hard problem of consciousness. We have found that some animals and mammals may possess consciousness too, like dolphins and monkeys. I recall one situation where a monkey was taught to draw, and as the monkey started to draw more, it became apparent that he may possess some form of consciousness. And humans, we seem to develop our consciousness around the age of 2, as babies don't seem to be born with consciousness (or at least lack the ability to access it).

But how or why we have consciousness, it's still a mystery. I don't believe evolution sufficiently explains how non-conscious life can develop consciousness, just as I don't believe evolution sufficiently explains how non-living elements randomly formed into life. We can make observations about the way things are with our physicalist perspective, but we are limited in understanding how and why these things happen.

OP, I like your suggestion that matter is not the fundamental substance in this universe. We need to go outside of our physicalist box in order to tackle the puzzle of consciousness. But then another problem arises; we go into the realm of speculation which isn't bound by facts and observations. So the truth is out there somewhere, and it is likely beyond the understanding of a physicalist perspective. So I have come to accept that this is something we won't find the answer to through science.



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