The pyramid and other structures how they worked

ignoring evidence for a rather uneducated Sci-Fi phantasy is not just stupid but arrogant.



this is pic of a corner of one of the sides of the GP.
It is a pile of rock, mostly, with structures of rock inside.
a marvel of engineering.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Harte

... they forged the name
Khufu in the pyramid of "Cheops" ...

A claim that's recently been examined in some detail, and found wanting.

originally posted by: RandyvineCopper chisels?

Yes: chisels made of copper. OK on soft limestone.

a reply to: Harte

That is not license to invent some gut feeling idea though.

I'm listening, I can agree my perception may be a bit skewed on
more than one particular field even. But it's not all academia nor
is it all the education system. It's not jealousy and I am aware it
might look that way. I do however carry a big grudge against the
way this world is ran. I mean the education system for instance.

The field of archaeology you might agree doesn't seem to have
enough archaeologists to man all the sights that are being located
now days. I mean world wide of course. South America etc etc
Sadly not every one gets to pursue their dream in this world.
I won't bore you by going on and I will say this. I like that you
give a damn enough to try and reason with me. And show me
where I might be wrong. I can respect that.

a reply to: Hooke

Yes: chisels made of copper. OK on soft limestone.

Damn I just can't see that. No vitrification at all. No saws
at all. You just can't get straight edges like that consistently
with out showing some chipping on the face. It's impossible.
I know what saw cuts look like and that's what I see on the
interior. If it were done with hammer and chisel they'd still
be there working on it.

I disagree I have to.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Hooke

Yes: chisels made of copper. OK on soft limestone.

Damn I just can't see that. No vitrification at all. No saws
at all. You just can't get straight edges like that consistently
with out showing some chipping on the face. It's impossible.
I know what saw cuts look like and that's what I see on the
interior. If it were done with hammer and chisel they'd still
be there working on it.

I disagree I have to.

Chisels are used to carve, not to smooth the surface or create the sharp edges/corners.

They scrubbed the stone with rubbing stones to smooth the surfaces and corners when required. A saw alone can do it too if you don't mind leaving the saw marks (and they left lots of them - even on Khufu's sarcophagus.) The use of an abrasive with the rubbing stones would be the final step. This has been replicated in limestone and granite in modern experiments, and using stone on stone is still how hard minerals are smoothed to a flat surface - except today the rubbing stone rotates and is attached to an electric motor.
In fact, the most accurate flatness gauges we have are made by rubbing metal on metal to this day. Again, motorized.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Hooke

Yes: chisels made of copper. OK on soft limestone.

Damn I just can't see that. No vitrification at all. No saws
at all. You just can't get straight edges like that consistently
with out showing some chipping on the face. It's impossible.
I know what saw cuts look like and that's what I see on the
interior. If it were done with hammer and chisel they'd still
be there working on it.

I disagree I have to.

Chisels are used to carve, not to smooth the surface or create the sharp edges/corners.

They scrubbed the stone with rubbing stones to smooth the surfaces and corners when required. A saw alone can do it too if you don't mind leaving the saw marks (and they left lots of them - even on Khufu's sarcophagus.)

As illustrated here (scroll down to Fig. 2).

a reply to: Harte

Of course they used saws. I wonder why so few have been
found? I hadn't seen that before. So what are your thoughts on
the possibility of there being some alternative use for Khufu's
uneventful rock pile? Other than a tomb. And was it encased
in white marble was it?. Correct me if that's wrong. But was it
not white when finished golden cap stone and all that? Or
is that speculative?

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Harte

And was it encased
in white marble was it?. Correct me if that's wrong.

It was finest white limestone, transported from the Tura quarries by Inspector Merer.

a reply to: Hooke

So that's almost solid evidence for putting a date to it's construction.
Are there other building where that type of stone may have been used?

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Hooke

So that's almost solid evidence for putting a date to it's construction.
Are there other building where that type of stone may have been used?

Yes - it was used for the casing of the pyramid of Khafre, and the upper part of the casing of the pyramid of Menkaure.

If this is a picture of part of the Great Pyramid then someone has not been telling the truth for many years

originally posted by: Robbo2006
a reply to: anonentity

It looks like they're saying High voltage DC charge can transmit well through limestone but not granite.

And then discussing Nicola Tesla's concept of transmitting electricity through the barrier between Earth and air, which he demonstrated working multiple times (but the power companies objected because there would be no way to meter it) I'm pretty sure it can't transmit across an ocean, though.

Interesting coincidence, then, for the pyramid to be located at the center of the Europe/Asia/Africa land mass, right? So it would cover the largest possible area?


When you see pictures in Egyptology that kind of look like they might be a giant light bulb, and then see how a lightbulb can draw energy from one of these systems just by touching the ground, then all the large underground complexes that have been found in Egypt start to make sense from a practical, rather than ritualistic, perspective.

I think this relates:

www.ancient-origins.net...

www.express.co.uk...

www.express.co.uk...


Interesting underground complexes, large enough for a city of people to live in. But only if you could light it.

Otherwise, the only reason you would build something like this is for ceremony.

I wonder if it was hotter, or cooler down there than it is above?

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Robbo2006
a reply to: anonentity

It looks like they're saying High voltage DC charge can transmit well through limestone but not granite.

If you try hard enough, you can send a high voltage through almost anything... as long as you have a small amount of it. Sending it through 1 million tons of stone is a very different thing than sending it through a quarter inch disk.

And then discussing Nicola Tesla's concept of transmitting electricity through the barrier between Earth and air, which he demonstrated working multiple times (but the power companies objected because there would be no way to meter it) I'm pretty sure it can't transmit across an ocean, though.

Which doesn't work the way they think it does.

Interesting coincidence, then, for the pyramid to be located at the center of the Europe/Asia/Africa land mass, right?

However, it isn't. You can check for yourself.

So it would cover the largest possible area?

Nope

When you see pictures in Egyptology that kind of look like they might be a giant light bulb, and then see how a lightbulb can draw energy from one of these systems just by touching the ground, then all the large underground complexes that have been found in Egypt start to make sense from a practical, rather than ritualistic, perspective.

And then when you read the writing around that scene (which is actually possible... you CAN teach yourself to read hieroglyphs) and realize that they're not talking about electricity or light bulbs or lighting things, then you have an entirely different perspective on things.

I think the race of giants built the pyramids, before the Great Flood wiped them out, while humans still remained afterwards, taking false credit for building them. And the Pharaohs then began to scribe on their walls, to show 'proof' of building them! I'm only speculating on it all, of course, we don't know what, or who, or why, it was really done.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: anonentity

People ask the wrong question when they ask who BUILT the
great pyramid. The first question to ask is who DESIGNED the
great pyramid. The designer and the builders can be an eternity
apart from each other with only the design in common. Built by
man of course but designed, by who? I don't think it was aliens.

Excellent thread soon all will be revealed.

The question I have is...how long will it take for a civilliasation to figure out the properties of granite, limestone and all the others. And then to apply them in a way which will benefit the people in some way...And then to be so sure of the mechanics and benefits that it outweigh the labour to built these enormes structures. With other words..the knowledge must have been present a long time before the pyramids were built.

And I am not even mentioning the knowledge of cutting and transporting these stones...

originally posted by: turbonium1
I think the race of giants built the pyramids, before the Great Flood wiped them out, while humans still remained afterwards, taking false credit for building them. And the Pharaohs then began to scribe on their walls, to show 'proof' of building them! I'm only speculating on it all, of course, we don't know what, or who, or why, it was really done.

None of the above is true. Please read up on the archaeology around the pyramids of Giza.
(Sigh)

originally posted by: zatara

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: anonentity

People ask the wrong question when they ask who BUILT the
great pyramid. The first question to ask is who DESIGNED the
great pyramid. The designer and the builders can be an eternity
apart from each other with only the design in common. Built by
man of course but designed, by who? I don't think it was aliens.

Excellent thread soon all will be revealed.

The question I have is...how long will it take for a civilliasation to figure out the properties of granite, limestone and all the others. And then to apply them in a way which will benefit the people in some way...And then to be so sure of the mechanics and benefits that it outweigh the labour to built these enormes structures. With other words..the knowledge must have been present a long time before the pyramids were built.

And I am not even mentioning the knowledge of cutting and transporting these stones...

Every bit of that was learned LONG before any civilization existed.
There's a reason it's called the Stone Age.

Harte

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: turbonium1
I think the race of giants built the pyramids, before the Great Flood wiped them out, while humans still remained afterwards, taking false credit for building them. And the Pharaohs then began to scribe on their walls, to show 'proof' of building them! I'm only speculating on it all, of course, we don't know what, or who, or why, it was really done.

None of the above is true. Please read up on the archaeology around the pyramids of Giza.
(Sigh)

None of is know who really built the pyramids, because there's not enough information/evidence to make any sort of conclusions, so you can stop acting like a pretentious ass ... (Sigh)

All we can do is speculate, examine the available evidence, assess the validity of such evidence, look at any possible evidence from other sources, which might corroborate a specific theory, and so on....

There's no point in you claiming 'none of that is true', especially when you don't even support your claim, just say 'please read up on the archaeology...'. That's a joke.


Take your own advice, and show actual support for any of your claims - what's so hard about that?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: turbonium1
I think the race of giants built the pyramids, before the Great Flood wiped them out, while humans still remained afterwards, taking false credit for building them. And the Pharaohs then began to scribe on their walls, to show 'proof' of building them! I'm only speculating on it all, of course, we don't know what, or who, or why, it was really done.

None of the above is true. Please read up on the archaeology around the pyramids of Giza.
(Sigh)

None of is know who really built the pyramids, because there's not enough information/evidence to make any sort of conclusions, so you can stop acting like a pretentious ass ... (Sigh)

All we can do is speculate, examine the available evidence, assess the validity of such evidence, look at any possible evidence from other sources, which might corroborate a specific theory, and so on....

There's no point in you claiming 'none of that is true', especially when you don't even support your claim, just say 'please read up on the archaeology...'. That's a joke.


Take your own advice, and show actual support for any of your claims - what's so hard about that?

Okay.

I think the race of giants built the pyramids, before the Great Flood wiped them out,

This is wrong. There is exactly zero evidence of any race of giants. There is exactly zero evidence of any Great Flood.

while humans still remained afterwards, taking false credit for building them.

This is wrong. We have a conclusive time period within which the pyramids were constructed, and we have far more than enough evidence to prove who was there at the time.

And the Pharaohs then began to scribe on their walls, to show 'proof' of building them!

This is wrong. The most famous pyramids have no writing on any exposed walls at all. However, lots of writing has been found behind those walls and in voids that have been sealed by tons of stone since the things were constructed.

I'm only speculating on it all, of course, we don't know what, or who, or why, it was really done.

"We" know what, who AND why it was done. It is YOU that doesn't know these things.

Harte