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Revisiting problem of Islam on behalf of Millennials (Islamaphobia STILL not a thing)

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posted on May, 28 2021 @ 07:55 PM
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Hi ATS Millennials (& Millennial lurkers),

I'm writing today to overturn one of the foundational problems which I perceive in the 'alternative' community, which had all but already been overturned until more recent times, when Millennial 'wokism' added a dimension to the problem which now needs to be addressed.

The fundamental tenet of the mindset which requires amendment, is that Israel is perpetrating a wilful apartheid movement against the Palestinians, that the Palestinians are justified in trying to kill Israeli civilians indiscriminately, and that Israel is bad (on 'orange man bad' levels) for targeting the bases of operations from which said rockets are being lobbed into Israel. Israel are getting the blame for giving a two hour warning that a Palestinian base will be targeted – as though it is Israel's fault that the shameful Hamas terrorist aggressors are wilfully hiding behind human shields comprising the most vulnerable in Palestine territory, literally establishing their forward operating bases within the same building/s that a Palestinian hospital or orphanage is located. That's no word of a lie. These Jihadists/ anti-Semites actively seek the destruction of life, limb & property belonging to their most vulnerable neighbours as a means of securing propaganda which can be exported to the West wholesale, in order to whip up a 'woke' frenzy that the Israeli state is actively & wilfully, shamelessly perpetrating an apartheid scenario, which is entirely false.

Firstly, recognise that from the moment Israel was created, all her neighbours declared war on her. Repeatedly. Taking turns in forming factions to attack. The Arab nations surrounding her wanted to erase Israel from the face of the Earth back then, and *newsflash* their so-called 'religion of peace' (pro tip = it is not a religion, it is not peaceful, and it is certainly not a peaceful religion) hasn't encouraged them to alter that intention in the intervening decades. The Middle East is often portrayed as a complex place, and to some extent that's true. But when you take a map & assign Judaism the colour green, and Islam the colour red, you will see that the nation of Israel is a tiny little island of green, bobbing around within an ocean of red hatred extending in every direction. It is absolutely the case that even the few local allies of Israel (such as Saudi Arabia), still intrinsically hate what she stands for, her core identity as a nation, race & religion – it is strictly an alliance of convenience, which is undermined in various indirect ways wherever possible.

Some facts negating the alleged philosophical equality between Judaism & Islam:

# 1 – Judaism is just as violent as Islam.

The conquest of the Canaanites & Amalekites in the Old Testament time of Joshua, after the death of Moses, was a time-limited campaign dressed up in typical Middle-Eastern war rhetoric about 'utter annihilation' & so forth. The context is always that the Israelites were attacking military forts (such as Jericho & Ai), which were staffed exclusively by combatants & political figures, sometimes a local king also. They almost never attacked population centres except in one or two minor cases, and mercy was always extended to the opponents before the hostilities began (IE – make peace with us, we let you live among us without penalty). Further context should note that the culture of the Canaanites & Amalekites involved hideous abominations including rape, bestiality, incest & child sacrifice (by fire) without penalty, indeed such behaviours were lauded in some situations. The spiritual state of the Canaanites had been extended well past due for a reckoning, and the divine imperative was to cleanse the land from the iniquity which the Canaanite religion had caused to ripen amongst its people. Every time the Canaanites would be permitted to live, if they abandoned their abhorrent religious practices & subscribed loosely to the Judaic system of spiritual practice. And here I will add a note that the Judaic practices were far from perfect, but YHWH was implementing incremental changes through the system of laws, statutes & customs which were intricately laid out for the Hebrews after their Exodus from slavery in Egypt. Turning the entire world onto a new & civilised heading is akin to turning an oil tanker on the high seas – the rudder itself has to move slowly, and the turn it produces takes a lot longer to unfold than an impatient soul might demand. The promise of Israel as the Chosen Race carried the divine promise that through them, “..all the peoples of the world will be blessed”. What this means, in very simple terms, is that not only with regard to the wisdom found in Judaism, but also in the very existence of the redeeming Messiah who was born as a descendant in the genetic lineage of the Jews – both were gifts given on the basis of God's promise to Abraham, and the civilising influence of the Old Testament legal code (& laws inspired by it), along with the Christian values which suffused European civilisation, had an astonishing impact on the collective morality of the people of the world. This then percolated throughout the rest of the world as the centuries passed. Both of these direct influences generated an unending host of civilising campaigns of betterment in law, politics, social engineering, onward through the Protestant Reformation (which has by now generated over 8000 Christian denominations who all agree on the basics, but differ in terms of style of worship & preference regarding cultural attachments) – then into the Renaissance/ Enlightenment, we find that the age of rationalism & science could now be forged. None of this would have been possible without the mission of the Hebrews, or the mission of Christ & His followers.

Modern Israel is a jewel of democracy in amidst the blood-soaked dust of Islamic desert lands tribalism. Israel has produced dozens of Nobel laureates, it is scientifically advanced, it produces well-adjusted modern people who are most often committed to their communities & to each other, knowing that although they hold to liberal democratic values, they must project a strong stance when looking outward at their borders, because everywhere they look is an army which has already tried at least once to decimate them, as in literal genocide. And all of them would try it again if the opportunity arose. The Israelis show extreme restraint in the face of constant terrorist plots & actual indiscriminate attacks against civilians – even pregnant women. It is very important for all you Millennials to understand one principle fact which will tell you everything you need to know about the Islamic world (beyond the fact that the founder was a warlord who brutalised nations in over 60 military campaigns of utter devastation & conquest, or the fact that he married a six year old girl & forced her to habitually have sex with him when she turned nine years old).


Continued...



posted on May, 28 2021 @ 07:56 PM
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The principal fact which truly contextualises modern Israel's innocent stance when it comes to the matter of [Palestine/Gaza/the West Bank], is that way back at the formation of Israel, the Israelis (& many other Western nations in support of the plan) suggested to the Arab nation states bordering Israel on all sides, that those Islamic nations accept a proportion of the displaced people of Palestine in a controlled 'Exodus', with the good will & support of the Israelis in relocating, which would have seen them living in free, open communities in the various local Islamic nations to which they would have been sent, as domestic exiles rather than straight-up refugees. This eminently reasonable, practical solution was categorically & resoundingly rejected without even a shade of compromise, by every single Islamic nation in the vicinity of Israel.

WHY?

Because politically speaking, by leaving their Islamic brothers & sisters in the inhospitable no-man's lands of Gaza & the West Bank, the Islamic nations surrounding Israel foresaw that they could develop into massive political leverage the sympathies of uninformed people in the Western nations, leverage that could be used cynically to gain influence & other benefits in the region, and to foment anti-Israeli/ anti-Semite hatred against the Jews, by all Muslims throughout all Islamic nations around the world.

The Muslims deliberately abandoned their kin in order to stir up the fires of Jihad against the Holy Land

These days, that same black hole of a moral compass informs the Islamic attitudes towards throwing rockets indiscriminately into civilian populated areas, and affirms that the use of the most vulnerable members of society as literal human shields is 'A-OK' with Islam/ the pseudo-'god' 'Allah', one of whose honorific titles is: “The Greatest Deceiver”.

I will devote a second thread to clearing up misconceptions concerning the validity of the Judeo-Christian revelation, and in that thread I will go into great detail about why Islam should be considered to be a fake knock-off version of the otherwise unique, powerful, totally fulfilled monotheism of the Judeo-Christian revelation. Islam was not needed theologically - it was a Satanic deception of the highest order, written to justify murder, theft & sexual abuse of women & children on an unimaginably vast & miserable scale, and to undo all the amazing work that was being done through the organic growth of the Christian communities throughout the Middle East, the Mediterranean, and North Africa at that time - up until roughly 666AD, when the Mohammedan 'revelation' synchronistically appeared on the scene & caused a wave of brutal, perverse, indiscriminate destruction of all that was good & holy in all of those grand territories. Thank God that the armies of the great French king Charlemagne repelled the Jihadist monsters from the shores of Spain when they did, else all of Europe would have been lost to the horde, and the civilising mission of Christianity would have been literally set back by 500 years.

Now some of the 'New Atheists' might jump in here with the ridiculous & unfounded schoolyard cry of “Judaism/Christianity is just as bad as Islam!!! The Crusades! The Inquisition! Ner-Ner!” To be clear, I will happily dismantle this pathetic (yet oft-repeated & certainly fallacious) set of accusations, in the upcoming thread to which I refer. Once it is complete, I will provide a link at the close of this particular thread.

Remember – the purpose of this thread is simply to provide a bit of context regarding the situation faced by Israel in terms of the world of enemies that surround her. Israel has had to adopt a hard stance to avoid being crushed from the very beginning of her legitimate formation by British instigation in 1948, to occupy her historical borders as described in the ancient texts. But those alleged poor defenceless 'victims of apartheid' in the Gaza Strip & the West Bank are actually victims of the cynical & heartless long-term strategic goals of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq & Iran, and the modern terrorists with their various nation state sponsors who use women & children, and the sick, as human shields. Their is a corrupt & wicked spirit, they are cynical & brutal, caring absolutely nothing if one of their young men 'becomes a martyr' by stabbing a young pregnant Israeli woman & her unborn infant to death as she waits for the Metro with her groceries – indeed they celebrate, whooping & punching the air with delight.. But then they cry their crocodile tears to the international media (looking at you, Al Jazeera & RT) because 'heartless apartheid state Israel' has bombed a 'hospital' after giving a two hour warning that the building had been targeted because it was being used to lob rockets at Israel. It was never a hospital, or if it was they prevented those sick people from leaving that building specifically to give themselves a couple of hours window of opportunity to fling rockets over the fence at Israeli pensioners mowing the lawn.

Cheers,


FITO.



posted on May, 28 2021 @ 08:07 PM
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Zionism is racism and it is inherently way more violent than ANY other religion, you forgot to mention that



posted on May, 28 2021 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Zionism is not Judaism. I am well aware that modern Zionism has much to answer for, but when we get down to the brass tacks, hawkish Zionism evolved from the legitimate defence needs of the modern Jewish people, after having been restored to their homeland in the wake of a brutal & merciless persecution at the hands of the Nazis. One should have the political awareness to understand their actual need to maintain a strong defensive posture in light of their immediate history, and the clear & present danger they were exposed to from the inception of the nation state. I hardly think any of us could do any better given the same circumstances, and in general, the Israelis overall demonstrate remarkable restraint most of the time. The issue of the Settlers is a moral anomaly that I don't support, but from what I understand they're quite a radical minority, the modern equivalent of the 'Zealots' in Biblical (New Testament) times..

Please bear in mind that I'm talking in this thread about the legitimate defence needs of the Jewish race in their ancestral homeland. I'm not talking about the elitist shenanigans of Sabbatean-Frankism/Zionism. We can forget the whole terminology of 'Zionism' really, it's an outdated word which could only be legitimately used in the historical context of returning the Jews to their ancestral homeland. After they had been restored the ball game changed, and legitimate defence needs took precedence over the sanctity of their communal moral/philosophical/religious outlook. The cold hard steel edge of intense warfare, repeatedly flaring up over several decades, caused the gloss of the maintenance of appearances to be abandoned in favour of survival, plain & simple.

It is a lack of historical understanding & indeed, a lack of basic political/religious/cultural awareness which causes a Western person to side with the Islamic propaganda regarding the unfortunate common citizens of Gaza/ the West Bank when juxtaposed over & above the rights to exist befitting the common Israeli citizens. We're not talking about the political hawks, because we know at every level such people are mostly corrupt. We're talking about the rights to exist such as belong to ordinary citizens in Israeli society - a nation resulting from the re-establishment of Judaism in its ancestral homeland in modern times. Those displaced were displaced at the hands of Britain & the Allies after WW2, a situation agreed by all to be just under the circumstances of the horrendous experience of an entire race. The majority are now secular, and their culture is Western with almost zero deviation from Anglo-American/ Western norms. The Palestinian agitators & those who bleat about their plight should blame the Jordanians, the Egyptians, the Lebanese, the Syrians, the Iraqis & the Iranians for their plight, NOT Israel. There were plenty of opportunities for the surrounding nations to peacefully assimilate those displaced from Palestine when it became Israel in 1948.

The whole maneuver recently to rename Israel as 'Palestine' in UN debates & the like is a sinister stealth effort at ideologically 'deleting' the rights of the Israeli/Jewish race to exist in the ancestral homeland which all Western nations agreed 70 years ago to be a good idea, justified on the basis that the Jews had been almost wiped out, systematically, at the hands of the warped ideology of a supposedly advanced Western state intent on the destruction of the Jewish soul complex, not just their material existence. Modern Israeli posturing is entirely defensive, they have never had any imperial, empire-building tendencies (even in the days of Joshua, the nation of Israel warred only to establish the borders specified by the prophets of YHWH, and they did not make a habit of warfare thereafter, except as a defensive maneuver when surrounding nations attacked them). The Amalekites are a good example of a people group which mercilessly persecuted the nascent Israel after they first escaped from Egypt, and they remained a thorn in Israel's side for hundreds of years after the borders had been established - aside from them, Israel kept herself to herself in the main.



posted on May, 29 2021 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Your mindset is very much in the MSM but clearly you've spent a lot of time pondering this issue and to be honest, the anti-Semitic card is over-played; the issue in Gaza and the West Bank isn't religious, and if it is, it's because Judaism has been hijacked by Zionists. You talk about the Nazis and WW2 as:



ideologically 'deleting' the rights of the Israeli/Jewish race


Which is true, however now we have a case in which the right-wing government and Israeli authorities don't even acknowledge the human rights of Palestinians; if you treat people like this, then it should hardly be surprising to get missiles fired at you. And let's not kid ourselves, with what the Zionists have been allowed to get away with so far, if they could, then I don't doubt for a second they would exterminate every last Palestinian within a hundred miles of their 'homeland'.



posted on May, 29 2021 @ 12:42 PM
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It's pretty simple... regardless of how you feel about Israel as a state, the people who live there have the right to defend themselves. Period.

Israel has the military power to remove Palestine off the map in an hour. They don't. Why is that? And why do they provide warning to the targets they are attacking so the civilians can be evacuated? It's like they are only trying to stop the threat to their people by targeting their attacks against the actual threat... instead of actively trying to kill every Jew, like Hamas...

Israel wouldn't need an iron dome if they weren't constantly being bombarded with rocket attacks...



posted on May, 29 2021 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: rounda



people who live there have the right to defend themselves


It's not 'the people', it's the Zionists and it's not defense, and on the same token, Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against unequal treatment. As Israel is the occupying power, it is their responsibility to provide the same level of human rights to EVERY citizen, which they do not.



And why do they provide warning to the targets they are attacking so the civilians can be evacuated?


Not true, they do not provide warning to all their attacks.



instead of actively trying to kill every Jew, like Hamas...


MSM lie, that is not true.



Israel wouldn't need an iron dome if they weren't constantly being bombarded with rocket attacks...


You forget the reasons as to why this started, Israel mistreatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, the Israeli state as it is, is systemically racist, which is wrong on every level

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posted on May, 29 2021 @ 01:12 PM
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Zionism is bad, Hamas is bad, I don't excuse the killing by either. I see the Zionist as instigating though..at times, and it is an apartheid state.
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posted on May, 29 2021 @ 05:21 PM
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The early protests against zionism were from Jews that were living in harmony in Palestine with Muslums. So zionist used terrorism, bombing both Synagogue's and Mosque's alike, to empower racism, forcing Jews to immigrate to the new state of Israel. Which help explains why pro-palestine nations were more likely to be bombed by muslum terrorist. Totally illogical until you see who wins from those actions. Likewise you need ask yourself who won from the 9/11 bombings in which muslum terrorist kept on leaving their much loved Korans behind everywhere they went.

So be mindful of the deceit, lies and propaganda that exists in our world. The darkness of which can infect our minds with hatred againts the majority of people that just want to live in peace.



posted on May, 29 2021 @ 06:04 PM
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Really long way of saying “Killing people is okay if God told them to do it”

But only for Jews though. No one else. Even though the Jews and Muslims believe in the same God. He’s also the Christian God as well. Yet his followers all hate each other. Very confusing.



posted on May, 30 2021 @ 12:45 AM
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posted on May, 30 2021 @ 08:57 AM
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As contradictory as it would sound, Ancient Judaism would be more akin to that of Communism. Thing is Judaism has had a few reforms, like it being only applicable by race or bloodlines, then to a diluted Covenant due them mingling with the 4 Empires that ruled them.

There are differences with it an Islam, an it is more or less a retcon, like with Ishmael replacing Isaac.
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Jesus was probably a Mutt rather then a Purebred.
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posted on May, 30 2021 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

Allah is most assuredly NOT the Jewish or Christian God. Allah is known as 'The Greatest Deceiver' in the Quran. In the Judaic & Christian scripture it is emphasised repeatedly that it is literally impossible for God to tell a lie. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life".

The only 'great deceiver' referenced in Judaic/Christian scripture & tradition is Satan.

Allah commands his followers to kill indiscriminately, and to subjugate other races & creeds under harsh penalties. Frequently conquest involved a 'convert or die' with a sword held to the neck as they said it. Allah also permitted Mohammed to marry & rape a young pre-pubescent girl. He married her when she was six years old, and began to have sex with her when she was nine years old. Simply put, Mohammed was a brutal warlord paedophile with a confused brain & a desire to grab power by imitating the God of the Judeo-Christian revelation. There was one powerful spirit in this world who decided to take up the offer, and it was NOT the angel Gabriel.

Jesus said "If anyone hurts one of the little children, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck, and to be cast into the depths of the ocean". Basically, Mohammed was a liar & an abuser, his god was the Devil himself ("Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light") & he won followers by giving them permission to rape, steal & kill as they swept across the Christianised Middle East, Mediterranean & North Africa. They brutalised millions, and their only spiritual legacy was a 'black hole nexus' that sucks out the souls of those who are stupid/evil enough to follow, right down into the abyss. The followers of Islam are foolish, unless they are moderates (who basically defy 'Allah' by refusing to follow his instructions in the Quran, Hadith & Sunnah) - they would be killed for blasphemy anywhere that Sharia law is practised, anywhere that Muslim warlords reign over frightened populations (see North Africa in particular).

No, Christ/YHWH/the Spirit is NOT 'Allah', and we can be grateful that this is the Truth.



posted on May, 30 2021 @ 09:19 AM
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All I will say is that I support Israel and her God given rights to the land!



posted on May, 30 2021 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: rounda



people who live there have the right to defend themselves


It's not 'the people', it's the Zionists and it's not defense, and on the same token, Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against unequal treatment. As Israel is the occupying power, it is their responsibility to provide the same level of human rights to EVERY citizen, which they do not.



And why do they provide warning to the targets they are attacking so the civilians can be evacuated?


Not true, they do not provide warning to all their attacks.



instead of actively trying to kill every Jew, like Hamas...


MSM lie, that is not true.



Israel wouldn't need an iron dome if they weren't constantly being bombarded with rocket attacks...


You forget the reasons as to why this started, Israel mistreatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, the Israeli state as it is, is systemically racist, which is wrong on every level


Ah. I see. So EVERYONE in Israel is a Zionist. All the children being forced into bomb shelters right now... Justified because they're Zionists.

Riiiiiiight.

Racism and stupidity is a great way to justify a terrorist organization who's goal is to eliminate every Jew on the planet.

No, I don't forget the reason why this started. The WORLD decided Israel should be a country, after another stupid, racist, moron decided all Jews were Zionists, and Iran didn't like their power in the region taken away.
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posted on May, 30 2021 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: Specimen88
As contradictory as it would sound, Ancient Judaism would be more akin to that of Communism. Thing is Judaism has had a few reforms, like it being only applicable by race or bloodlines, then to a diluted Covenant due them mingling with the 4 Empires that ruled them.

There are differences with it an Islam, an it is more or less a retcon, like with Ishmael replacing Isaac.
Jesus was probably a Mutt rather then a Purebred.


What?

The bible takes great pains to justify individual ownership and the protection of ones property....



posted on May, 30 2021 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Everything you say about Allah can also be said of Yahweh from the old testament. Sure sounds like the same fella to me.



posted on May, 30 2021 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: rounda



people who live there have the right to defend themselves


It's not 'the people', it's the Zionists and it's not defense, and on the same token, Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against unequal treatment. As Israel is the occupying power, it is their responsibility to provide the same level of human rights to EVERY citizen, which they do not.



And why do they provide warning to the targets they are attacking so the civilians can be evacuated?


Not true, they do not provide warning to all their attacks.



instead of actively trying to kill every Jew, like Hamas...


MSM lie, that is not true.



Israel wouldn't need an iron dome if they weren't constantly being bombarded with rocket attacks...


You forget the reasons as to why this started, Israel mistreatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, the Israeli state as it is, is systemically racist, which is wrong on every level


Ah. I see. So EVERYONE in Israel is a Zionist. All the children being forced into bomb shelters right now... Justified because they're Zionists.

Riiiiiiight.

Racism and stupidity is a great way to justify a terrorist organization who's goal is to eliminate every Jew on the planet.

No, I don't forget the reason why this started. The WORLD decided Israel should be a country, after another stupid, racist, moron decided all Jews were Zionists, and Iran didn't like their power in the region taken away.


Tripe, and no-one said everyone in Israel is a Zionist either

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posted on Jun, 15 2021 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Ohanka

Allah is most assuredly NOT the Jewish or Christian God. Allah is known as 'The Greatest Deceiver' in the Quran. In the Judaic & Christian scripture it is emphasised repeatedly that it is literally impossible for God to tell a lie. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life".

The only 'great deceiver' referenced in Judaic/Christian scripture & tradition is Satan.

Allah commands his followers to kill indiscriminately, and to subjugate other races & creeds under harsh penalties. Frequently conquest involved a 'convert or die' with a sword held to the neck as they said it. Allah also permitted Mohammed to marry & rape a young pre-pubescent girl. He married her when she was six years old, and began to have sex with her when she was nine years old. Simply put, Mohammed was a brutal warlord paedophile with a confused brain & a desire to grab power by imitating the God of the Judeo-Christian revelation. There was one powerful spirit in this world who decided to take up the offer, and it was NOT the angel Gabriel.

Jesus said "If anyone hurts one of the little children, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck, and to be cast into the depths of the ocean". Basically, Mohammed was a liar & an abuser, his god was the Devil himself ("Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light") & he won followers by giving them permission to rape, steal & kill as they swept across the Christianised Middle East, Mediterranean & North Africa. They brutalised millions, and their only spiritual legacy was a 'black hole nexus' that sucks out the souls of those who are stupid/evil enough to follow, right down into the abyss. The followers of Islam are foolish, unless they are moderates (who basically defy 'Allah' by refusing to follow his instructions in the Quran, Hadith & Sunnah) - they would be killed for blasphemy anywhere that Sharia law is practised, anywhere that Muslim warlords reign over frightened populations (see North Africa in particular).

No, Christ/YHWH/the Spirit is NOT 'Allah', and we can be grateful that this is the Truth.



Would like to give an alternative perspective for those reading this thread. All my information is gathered from Jonathan A. C. Brown a PHD in Islamic thought. References will be quoted. I don't have the time to respond to ever allegation but lets just take the major ones.

1. 'convert or die' = Jihad was understood as the unceasing quest to ‘make God’s word supreme,’ as Hadiths described, through the ongoing expansion of the rule of God’s law on earth. is was not envisioned in any way as a quest for forced conversion, which never featured in the Islamic conquests. The Qur’anic edict of ‘No compulsion in religion’ governed the interpretation of Hadiths like the authenticated report of the Prophet declaring, ‘I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God, establish prayer and pay the charity tithe.’ Read in light of the Qur’anic prohibition on coerced belief, this mission to extract confessions of belief was not interpreted literally. Rather, it was understood as referring either only to Arabia’s pagans (not followers of monotheistic religions) or as a metaphor for the conquered non-Muslims agreeing to submit to Muslim rule. Pg. 102 Misquoting Muhammad

2. Marriage = Yet I have found no instance of anyone criticizing the Prophet’s marriage due to Aisha’s age or accusing him of pedophilia until the early twentieth century. Even in the nineteenth century, British, German and French orientalists mostly passed over the matter in silence. Others assumed a Montesquieu-like sense of climatic determinism. In the 1830s the British ethnographer and lexicographer E. W. Lane prefaced his observation that Egyptian women married as young as ten (only a few remained single by age sixteen) with the remark that they ‘tend to arrive at puberty much earlier than the natives of colder climates.’ The first condemnatory note comes in Mohammad and the Rise of Islam (1905) by the British orientalist David Margoliouth. He calls Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha an ‘ill-assorted union… for as such we must characterise the marriage of a man of fiy three to a child of nine.’

The lack of Christian and Western vituperation against Aisha’s age prior to 1905 is not surprising. And Margoliouth’s pioneering disapproval was very English. Even as late as the nineteenth century, societies in which the vast majority of the population worked the land in small agricultural communities (‘peasant’ societies) were generally characterized by marriage ages that we would consider extremely young. Whether in India, China or Eastern Europe, in the pre-industrial period (and in many areas, even today) marriage age for women tended to be in the mid-teens, immediately aer puberty. Pg. 141 Misquoting Muhammad
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