If I follow the science, where does it teach about more than 2 genders?

originally posted by: network dude
I'm a bit harsher. I see that, and wonder, are there plugs for the nose holes? If this guy gets a cold, and sneezes, snot is going everywhere. Plus the glasses are hideous.

He's a lightweight, I don't even see any horns.

originally posted by: turbonium1
I've never thought about the gender I am

Is there any room in the world for those that do? Or has your decree created an absolutism that wont allow others to live an actualized life?

a reply to: tanstaafl

"just one more thing to add" .....

the fact that you think "i could have the best date of my life with the woman of my dreams, with all the necessary shared interests and perfect chemistry and a strong mutual desire to go further, but if i find out there's SQUIGGLES in her dna then so help me i'll beat her within an inch of her life" is a defensible position at all, let alone a rational one, kinda really sums up the vibe of this whole cursed excuse for a debate.

Do you even realise that you've literally spent this whole thread saying that trans status should be kept secret, only to turn around at the last moment and say that if it IS kept secret you'll do violence? do you see the utterly impossible situation you're trying to create here?

Part of me wants to reassure you that the vast majority of trans women are upfront about our status - not only because there are too many men in this world flagrantly proud of their psychopathy as demostrated, but because actually there's nothing wrong with us and any sensible person would wish to be blessed with the favour of a graceful creature like i........ but i realise this would be empty reassurance because we both know you're not exactly going to have to deal with actually dating any woman in the foreseeable future... so like whatever carry on

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: tanstaafl

"just one more thing to add" .....

the fact that you think "i could have the best date of my life with the woman of my dreams, with all the necessary shared interests and perfect chemistry and a strong mutual desire to go further, but if i find out there's SQUIGGLES in her dna then so help me i'll beat her within an inch of her life" is a defensible position at all, let alone a rational one, kinda really sums up the vibe of this whole cursed excuse for a debate.

The fact that you equate 'squiggles in their DNA' to a really big 'squiggle in their PANTS' just proves how disingenuous you are being.

I specifically said if the dropped their pants and revealed they were a male.

How hard is that to understand?

So, you are essentially saying it is OK for someone to totally mis-represent themselves - correction, to lie - to a prospective romantic partner about their actual sex.

Do you also believe it is OK for someone who has, and knows they have, a serious STD - say, Syphilis, or even AIDS - to refuse to divulge that tiny little truth before engaging in sex with with someone?

Do you even realise that you've literally spent this whole thread saying that trans status should be kept secret, only to turn around at the last moment and say that if it IS kept secret you'll do violence? do you see the utterly impossible situation you're trying to create here?

Do you seriously not comprehend the difference between random casual public encounters with others - e.g., a working relationship, interacting with a store clerk, or talking to someone at a party - and initiating or engaging in romantic activity with someone?

Stop. Just stop.

a reply to: tanstaafl

dude, don't try and walk it back now! you said that you would get a woman naked - which i can only assume means you've spent some considerable time with her and that there's serious mutual attraction - and that you would then assault her.
i didn't say that, you did.
You might wanna read it back because you even seemed kinda proud of it.

and hey look, i'm not condoning lying to a potential partner, where did i say that? on the planet i'm from, before we engage in coitus with someone we have a discussion about it. relevant sexual history, particular hang ups, kinks, expectations and what have you. it's called effective communication and it's kinda essential for a mutually satisfactory experience. If that's not something you engage in, that's not my fault. It's okay, you can do better.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: tanstaafl

dude, don't try and walk it back now!

I think you are confused. I'm not walking anything back. I didn't say what you are apparently attributing to me.

you said that you would get a woman naked - which i can only assume means you've spent some considerable time with her and that there's serious mutual attraction - and that you would then assault her.
i didn't say that, you did.

Ummm... nope. Absolutely positively did not ever say that or anything like it.

You might wanna read it back because you even seemed kinda proud of it.

You might wanna go back and find it, and if I did say it, link to it - but you can't, because I never said it.

and hey look, i'm not condoning lying to a potential partner, where did i say that?

I didn't say you did. That comment of mine wasn't aimed at you, it was a general additional point I wanted to make about the entire charade that is the radical trans agenda.

on the planet i'm from, before we engage in coitus with someone we have a discussion about it. relevant sexual history, particular hang ups, kinks, expectations and what have you. it's called effective communication and it's kinda essential for a mutually satisfactory experience. If that's not something you engage in, that's not my fault. It's okay, you can do better.

Good, then you and I are in agreement on this point.

Another point someone else brought up that I agree with is the whole 'trans men playing in womens only sports' insanity. No trans man should ever, under any circumstances, be allowed to compete against women - unless the sport doesn't have separate men/women competitions, which is mostly just competitions that have nothing to do with strength/endurance - like, maybe chess?

So, do you believe trans men should be able to play in womens only sports?

originally posted by: MayRenee
No ,they are southern redneck trumper's that go around beating up on women to make up for what they everything they lack, sound familiar, dude, lol?

What a moronic statement.....
SMH

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: olaru12
After reading all 12 pages, about the only conclusion I can draw is that the rightwingers on this site, seem obsessed with other peoples sexuality.



yeah, I know....I read the thread too.

'Rightwingers' are openly laughing at leftists obsession with other people's sexuality.



I understand your confusion, can be challenging for the brainwashed.

I proudly identify as a bi sexual pink elephant.

And don't give a rats a$$ about anyone else.

Except when dems decide to force whatever is currently getting them votes on everyone else.

Then I care quite a bit.




Feelz better now.

Awesome overlooked Post!!
Wish I could star more than once.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
kinda really sums up the vibe of this whole cursed excuse for a debate.

so you have peer reviewed data showing there are more than 2 genders? Or are we back to your feelz?
Remember, nobody said you can't feel however you wish, just that you can't teach kids something that is provably false. Science today isn't on your side.

www.foxnews.com...

First Amendment for the win.

As usual, this discussion is mostly an echo chamber with a few people understanding sex and gender are not the same exact thing.
I blame low level understanding of words. I suspect its willful ignorance

Sex is for the most part binary. there are a few random outliers (herms) but its for the most part male and female. No matter what you do, you will never change your birth sex...it simply is a biological fact.

Gender is an expression.
"either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones."
As the definition suggests of gender, it takes into account the sex, but you aren't stapled to a gender, its up to you.

I don't believe there are like 400 genders, I see there are two overall but within those two is a spectrum, from frilly girly girl, tomboy, soft boy, super masculine Chad, etc.
What you choose to look like and therefore identify as, is up to you.
No science will show men need to wear cowboy boots and denim, nor women need to wear lipstick and dresses. This is an expression of our gender.

Trans people experiencing gender dysphoria most likely have some wires crossed which makes them associate more with the opposite sex than their own, and so express that by changing their gender (expression).

Should we use gendered terms? hell, I don't know. If a male looks convincingly enough like a female, aka, put in the effort, I have no problem referring to that person as she/her/woman type thing. I wont be doing crotch checks before deciding how to identify someone.

If I am legit confused, I'll default to They (things can get confusing from time to time).

Trans people should not participate in sports designed for the opposite sex btw.
I may change my mind when we get a number of F2M people wanting to compete on a professional level. So far, I don't believe there is a single one.seems to always be M2F.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: continuousThunder
kinda really sums up the vibe of this whole cursed excuse for a debate.

so you have peer reviewed data showing there are more than 2 genders? Or are we back to your feelz?

Kind of funny considering this entire thread is about feelz....as gender isn't sex, its just how you feel to express a sex.

Kind of like a hardcore debate on which is scientifically more funny, slapstick or dry humor.

a reply to: SaturnFX

It comes down to simple science. If you take a blood test and a DNA test reveals your gender, it can be "male" or "female", and there can be the rare oddity, which like a 2 headed snake is quite rare.

When a test is available that can show "A dude who dresses like a woman, and takes estrogen" is truly a woman, due to "X", then we will have seen the change in the science that I speak of.

But the new definition of "Gender", while it has changed, doesn't negate the fact that the old definition (synonym for sex) was the way a person was born. With the new "feelz" society, words have been changed to become more inclusive and offer everyone a participation trophy.
(IMHO)

Psychological disorders? That's science right? Pretty sure that explains men that think they are girls and girls that think they are asexual frying pans.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: SaturnFX

It comes down to simple science. If you take a blood test and a DNA test reveals your gender,

Does this magical blood test also reveal if you are a republican or democrat?
Gender isn't sex, gender is gender
the tests will reveal your sex, not how you plan on expressing it.

it can be "male" or "female", and there can be the rare oddity, which like a 2 headed snake is quite rare.

When a test is available that can show "A dude who dresses like a woman, and takes estrogen" is truly a woman, due to "X", then we will have seen the change in the science that I speak of.

...so your issue is that expression (aka, gender) isn't a science therefore we should not be considering it. gotcha
...so, whats the issue here?
Your stance defaults you not to simply accept people using a different gender than their sex shows, but you should by your principled stance just think gender in itself is a bs construct we need to rid ourselves of.
...which is the argument of extreme SJWs btw. lol

But the new definition of "Gender", while it has changed, doesn't negate the fact that the old definition (synonym for sex) was the way a person was born. With the new "feelz" society, words have been changed to become more inclusive and offer everyone a participation trophy.
(IMHO)

Overall the term gender is a somewhat new word that has evolved and distinguished against sex. It is a bit like the term Kin, not used often, and although it may be a word you can replace with the term family, kin can mean other things also.

I am fine with the evolution and addition of words personally, so long as they keep the root science word (sex) meaning the same.
Gender is express, Sex is biological.
Concede on this point and I'll high 5 you in agreement that nobody can change their sex and transsexuals aren't a thing (unless its like the year 3050 and we can alter ourselves down to the chromosome level)

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Psychological disorders? That's science right? Pretty sure that explains men that think they are girls and girls that think they are asexual frying pans.

I would consider it to be more of a psychological abnormality

Abnormality simply not being the norm...the 51% type thing
Abnormalities that aren't dangerous have no need to be "normalized"...hell, liking anchovis can be considered an abnormality (the monsters). Doesn't mean we need to somehow fix or lobotomize the tiny fish eating freaks.

a reply to: SaturnFX

My issue is that people are being punished for telling the truth. The truth being that we are born either man or woman, and 47 other options don't exist anywhere outside of the mind. So nobody should be punished for expressing the fact that there are 2 sexes/genders.

Now to your point on Gender. The definition has changed, you agree. Being 52, I have to stick with what I have learned and believe to be true based on my life experiences. Gender is male or female, as is sex. Sex has other meanings as well.

so the answer to the question "Sex?" isn't "as often as possible", it's "male" or "female". So I'll do a 50% agreement that the definition has changed, but I don't have to like it or accept it. Settle for a fist bump?

originally posted by: network dude
www.foxnews.com...

First Amendment for the win.

Thank you, I missed news of the reinstatement!


Hopefully a few other jurisdictions are paying attention.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: SaturnFX

My issue is that people are being punished for telling the truth. The truth being that we are born either man or woman, and 47 other options don't exist anywhere outside of the mind. So nobody should be punished for expressing the fact that there are 2 sexes/genders.

Now to your point on Gender. The definition has changed, you agree. Being 52, I have to stick with what I have learned and believe to be true based on my life experiences. Gender is male or female, as is sex. Sex has other meanings as well.

so the answer to the question "Sex?" isn't "as often as possible", it's "male" or "female". So I'll do a 50% agreement that the definition has changed, but I don't have to like it or accept it. Settle for a fist bump?

Well, you're free to not adapt anyhow.
My great uncle to this day refers to black people as "The colored people". He was raised that way and so thats that.
You can say what you want, but sometimes adding nuance to an already learned thing may actually help you out in the long run in discussing an issue.
The issue isn't if a woman with a kit is referred to as a girl, but more if the m2f is competing in womens sports on a professional level. Thats the battle to fight moreso than pronouns and gender.
Just my opinion though.