60 minutes UFO show this Sunday May 16th

originally posted by: Jukiodone

Extended Fravor/Dietrich segment here: www.cbsnews.com...

Dietrich (who has a touch of the Ellen Ripleys about her) is another great eye witness IMO.

Interesting to note her descriptor of the Tic Tac movement (like a ping pong ball according to Fravor) was "like when your phone bounces off a counter top".

She then does an interesting rapid "falling leaf" movement with her hands before concluding with a clarification of "no predictable movement".

The editing is perhaps to blame for my confusion but both Fravor and Dietrich state, repeatedly, that the object "disappeared". The interviewer, in narration, adds "it sped away." Did it speed away or is the assumption, since another or the same object later re/appeared, being made that it sped away but to all intents and purposes what the air crew saw was the object disappear?

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

fairly sure Fravor described it as an instantaneous acceleration to the horizon in previous interviews but this is likely his subjective interpretation based on the next "sighting" being reported back at his CAP.

Think we discussed all the options related to the well documented spoofing technology which could account for these sightings in MM's thread- and we'll probably never know the actual truth......but having an ETH sceptic pilot confirm Fravors already credible sighting (not subsequent interpretation) is better than any blurry vid or pic for me.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Ah right, so "disappeared" is perhaps the more objective interpretation, or what can be corroborated by other witnesses, only Fravor got the impression of acceleration? It would then be 60 Minutes's editorialism then that favours Fravor's interpretation?

Further confusion has emerged, if I was watching that 60 Minutes segment ignorant of what Mr Elizondo had been involved in in the build up to that segment I would remain so. Why no mention of Tom DeLonge? Is he anathema to the usual 60 Minutes viewership? Would they not know who he is?

According to Mr DeLonge's twitterings since the programme was aired, he, and his followers presumably, made it happen and indeed TTSA, he claims, will be bringing forth films to help with the "next step", "understanding".

If, as Elizondo states, "we" don't know what they are, what's to understand?

a reply to: Jukiodone

Its excellent confirmatory EWT of something most rational people suspect to be terrestrial/natural in origin.
Dont understand your haiku about bigfoot.

It's no more evidence then there is for Sasquatch. In fact
there's far more and better evidence for Bigfoot. DNA

I watched the fifteen minute segment, nothing new really. I will say Bill is the best jeopardy guest host, imo.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

TDL was back doored (slowly) after that overly enthusiastic appearance on Rogan.

Would guess - like every other journalistic outlet except for maybe Greenwald and Tingley- the producers/interviewers at 60 mins are just repeating what they are told in their initial briefing.

Totally agree about Lou.....
Lou is the guy who found a CRADA worthy wave guide of ET origin on a well documented field trip.....
Why does no one ask him about that.....?

it's one of the most important moments in human history (luckily MIC top minds were on hand to witness) and all people ask him about is some half evidenced job in a dept. that may or may not have existed.

An interesting discussion youtu.be... for all those who say balloons or they are our top secret stuff. The one picture of an acorn object taken by an F-18 does look like a Bat Man balloon to me but I was not in the cockpit. A possible Psyops is going on either by our own government or someone/something else knows how to run one as well.

This show seems to have added very little from what was reported three and half years ago via the NYT, Politico and WaPo articles in 2017. Although the $22m money handed to Bigelow by his chum Reid and the building constructed to house UFO parts that fell from the sky was ignored.

The impression given is that America's military is still ignoring potential threats that occurred as early as 2004. Roughly the same period between the end of WWII and the Cuban Missile Crisis! Which adversaries and allies alike must find difficult to believe. No other nation is reporting these anomalies, and even the US Air Force is silent on the issue.

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
What ever is brought up during this 60 minutes thing, I can almost assure you that the ATS Membership has heard/seen/discussed/debated/debunked and all other matters of interaction regarding UFO's.

We have a tendency to forget that we (ATS) have been fortunate enough to have a herd-mentality of some very intelligent and forward-thinking people discussing these topics for years. So regardless of how this information on 60 minutes is presented, we will most likely say "Meh... heard/read that on ATS years back" and it will appear as nothing new (to us). But for the World, it may be very earth-shaking.

We (ATS) have always been ahead of the times with a more than a skewed version of normal, paranormal and reality (as we know it). But, I'll wait and see. I do know that there are still quite a few reports and footage that have yet to released into the public. And I bet we might even see another Military release of something of sorts

I still want to say "we live in interesting times"...
Johnny

This is true,imho.

I've learned more here,about the UFO topic,than any book or other website.

ATS is a wealth of information regarding this topic.

From the show’s segment transcript:

Chris Mellon: So it's not us, that's one thing we know. 

Bill Whitaker: We know that? 

Chris Mellon: I can say that with a very high degree of confidence in part because of the positions I held in the department, and I know the process. 

My interpretation is ... CM is so sure the UAP’s are not us, but just short of verbalizing nationwide on tv .....- I will stake my reputation on it -



Bill Whitaker: What do you want us to do about this?

Marco Rubio: I want us to take it seriously and have a process to take it seriously. I want us to have a process to analyze the data every time it comes in. That there be a place where this is cataloged and constantly analyzed, until we get some answers. Maybe it has a very simple answer. Maybe it doesn't.

My interpretation is .... What MR says sounds like yet again another Blue Book-esk process to unfold for perhaps a -this day and age younger and current generation-......For older folks, this might be a -here we go again- with a least one exception for now....pilots can report UAP’s without career impacting ridicule. Now that’s progress.

We’ll stay tuned for June’s Report.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Jukiodone
It's no more evidence then there is for Sasquatch. In fact
there's far more and better evidence for Bigfoot. DNA

And footprints with dermal ridges, also.

There have been traces found of UFOs. The Zamora case had landing pad marks and footprints, along with burned shrubbery. Over the years some objects have been found, although usually not proved to be directly related to the UFOs themselves. But the problem is that they generally haven't shown properties that are unusual enough for them to be absolutely defined as "alien" however you want to define that. Then again, nobody -- likely even the government -- has determined that they are alien. And they might not technically be alien. Even if they're from some crazy sideways dimension, their "Earth" is probably going to be like ours, with the same kinds of materials. So they're not from someplace else. They're from here.

People always thinking in terms of nuts and bolts. But even nuts and bolts have multiple non-physical dimensions. Electromagnetism. Gravity. Others we don't know about yet. "Forces" that reach down into space in various ways and move things or spark up odd particles.

a reply to: Blue Shift

They're from here.

This is what I surmise.
Oh you are correct about this I have no doubt. But they're obviously
not bound by the physical laws that apply in this dimension. Their
capabilities are far beyond that of any nuts and bolts super intel.
Even if it were some how possible to traverse the great chasm.

That's a double impossibility. So you can only be correct. They are
from here. And if they are from here then they've always been here.

And discarding the if we can say since they've always been here we
should know about them. Or at least been told about them. Trust
me we have the information. But we've been lied to about everything
for ages. From UFOs to Bigfoot from who we are to who God is we have
been deceived. Only in the spirit do the laws of physics not apply.

Don't ever believe for a second there are not those who know exactly
what the truth is. They're the same of those who have deceived most
of us. The reason for the deception is to capture humanity. I believe
it's because what's inside of us is the most valued part of the universe.
The non physical.

You won't read that in any book.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

From the show’s segment transcript:

Chris Mellon: So it's not us, that's one thing we know.

Bill Whitaker: We know that?

Chris Mellon: I can say that with a very high degree of confidence in part because of the positions I held in the department, and I know the process.

My interpretation is ... CM is so sure the UAP’s are not us, but just short of verbalizing nationwide on tv .....- I will stake my reputation on it -

Yes, hmm. But Mellon didn't even know about unclassified projects like AATIP in 2016 when he spoke to Huff Post.

I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD’s black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Huffington Post - 5th Sept 2016

Maybe AATIP never really was anything anyway but one of Zondo's hobbies?

However since Mellon hasn't worked in government since the early 2000s why does he think he can speak confidently about it not being "us"?

originally posted by: mirageman

However since Mellon hasn't worked in government since the early 2000s why does he think he can speak confidently about it not being "us"?

Considering Mellon family history with the IC--& various dirty deeds it indeed were--I'd say Occam's might suggest we take the exact opposite of what Mellon says to be truth.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

originally posted by: Jukiodone

Extended Fravor/Dietrich segment here: www.cbsnews.com...

Dietrich (who has a touch of the Ellen Ripleys about her) is another great eye witness IMO.

Interesting to note her descriptor of the Tic Tac movement (like a ping pong ball according to Fravor) was "like when your phone bounces off a counter top".

She then does an interesting rapid "falling leaf" movement with her hands before concluding with a clarification of "no predictable movement".

The editing is perhaps to blame for my confusion but both Fravor and Dietrich state, repeatedly, that the object "disappeared". The interviewer, in narration, adds "it sped away." Did it speed away or is the assumption, since another or the same object later re/appeared, being made that it sped away but to all intents and purposes what the air crew saw was the object disappear?

My interpretation of that is that the object ripped out of there so fast... or "Sped away" so fast.. that it essentially seemed to have disappeared.

There was an innocent time when footage provided by your government and interview with politicians and the military would raise only one question: What is in this footage? What did they see?

Now sadly, because I’m older, because the world has become a more complex web of agendas (yeah, I know - always was), there’s a second pair of questions that makes the first question worthless: is this footage real? Are the politicians and military lying to us?

For the little it’s worth - despite how much I believe this tech, terrestrial or not, exists because I’ve seen it - my gut tells me this is BS. That the female pilot in particular has been coached. Is this a tv production company doing the coaching to sell the show, or something more insidious?

I can’t help wondering what this injection into the mainstream of public consciousness is going help that mainstream accept when it happens? Pearl harbour sold the US public on joining the war and dropping the bomb. 911 sold them on a full occupation of the Middle East. I fear what might be on the cards that can be blamed on whoever ultimately gets accused of this tech. At the very least it won’t do those R&D mega budgets any harm.

There is defiantly an agenda and it is leading towards disclosure. reply to: McGinty

Keep in mind these are the nuts and bolt crafts. The ones that "seem to come out of no where and disappear into no where" (such as Jacques Vallee mentions) are much more common and much stranger.

The only thing I can think of as a conspiracy is this is to distract people from Palestine...but UFO's are an old topic...so it's probably all true. I'm thinking the crafts are Extra Terrestrials and if that's what they are then endless sightings people have had, close encounters, and abductions are going to be more realer than ever. Grey aliens are one day going to be 100% real, and countless other beings I'd imagine.

What I think has been always been happening, our Solar System is teeming with ET craft. We just don't see them all the time. We just have to accept the fact we're not alone, and life goes on, or we'll make real contact one day and then reality changes forever.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
a reply to: Jukiodone

Ah right, so "disappeared" is perhaps the more objective interpretation, or what can be corroborated by other witnesses, only Fravor got the impression of acceleration? It would then be 60 Minutes's editorialism then that favours Fravor's interpretation?

Further confusion has emerged, if I was watching that 60 Minutes segment ignorant of what Mr Elizondo had been involved in in the build up to that segment I would remain so. Why no mention of Tom DeLonge? Is he anathema to the usual 60 Minutes viewership? Would they not know who he is?

According to Mr DeLonge's twitterings since the programme was aired, he, and his followers presumably, made it happen and indeed TTSA, he claims, will be bringing forth films to help with the "next step", "understanding".

If, as Elizondo states, "we" don't know what they are, what's to understand?

You can only fit so much info in a 20 min. segment..