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originally posted by: ATruGod
All seems pretty pointless, lets see...
Created Me to save Me as long as I believe in "Him" because "He" gave Me free will and I should know better
You've somehow determined the Male/Masculine is dominant when the Female is literally the Bearers of life
You have the arrogance of Your "God" to believe Your Post would have any weight on this so called day of judgement
Your God is a petty little arrogant clown if indeed "He" exists.
originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: IncessantOptimist
The problem with that is that I have Gods (plural) and my belief system predates Christianity by tens of thousands of years.
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“Christianity” Becomes a Philosophy
The philosopher Celsus mockingly described Christians as “labourers, shoemakers, farmers, the most uninformed and clownish of men.” This mockery was too much for the apologists to bear. They determined to win over public opinion by resorting to a new tactic. Once rejected, worldly wisdom was now used in the service of the “Christian” cause. Clement of Alexandria, for example, saw philosophy as “true theology.” Justin, though claiming to reject pagan philosophy, was the first to use philosophical language and concepts to express “Christian” ideas, considering this type of philosophy “to be safe and profitable.”
From this point on, the strategy was, not to oppose philosophy, but to make supposed Christian thought a philosophy higher than that of the pagans. “On some points we teach the same things as the poets and philosophers whom you honour, and on other points are fuller and more divine in our teaching,” wrote Justin. Adorned with its new philosophical finery, “Christian” thought now claimed the dignity of old age. The apologists pointed out that Christian books were far older than those of the Greeks and that the prophets of the Bible lived earlier than Greek philosophers. Certain apologists even concluded that the philosophers copied from the prophets. Plato was made out to be a disciple of Moses!
Christianity Distorted
This new strategy led to a mixture of Christianity and pagan philosophy. Comparisons were made between Greek gods and Bible characters. Jesus was compared to Perseus; and Mary’s conception to that of Perseus’ mother, Danaë, who was said to be also a virgin.
Certain teachings were greatly modified. For example, in the Bible, Jesus is called “the Logos,” meaning God’s “Word,” or Spokesman. (John 1:1-3, 14-18; Revelation 19:11-13) Very early on, this teaching was distorted by Justin, who like a philosopher played on the two possible meanings of the Greek word logos: “word” and “reason.” Christians, he said, received the word in the person of Christ himself. However, logos in the sense of reason is found in every man, including pagans. Thus, he concluded, those who live in harmony with reason are Christians, even those who claimed or were thought to be atheists, like Socrates and others.
Moreover, by forcing the tie between Jesus and the logos of Greek philosophy, which was closely linked with the person of God, the apologists, including Tertullian, embarked on a course that eventually led Christianity to the Trinity dogma.*
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[*: For further information on Tertullian’s beliefs, see The Paradox of Tertullian]
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Knowledge (gnoʹsis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures. However, not all that men may call “knowledge” is to be sought, because philosophies and views exist that are “falsely called ‘knowledge.’” (1Ti 6:20)
I'm pretty sure Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God, the God of Abraham, who created Adam and Eve. They all rely on the same Old Testament books.
I’m a believer but the curious in me thinks about this quite often. I always come back to the thought of efficiency. If you are such an advanced race why would you create humans? We are very inefficient energy consuming device. Look at our wars and horrible history as a race that comes just because we fight for resources. An advanced race by its very definition I can’t just assume wouldn’t be backward looking.
Wait. Are you trying to tell everyone that the Christian Bible's Old Testament isn't based Jewish texts? LOL.
You are wrong, wrong wrong. Muslims, Jews and Christians do not all believe in the same God.
Simple, where did the Old Testament come from? Was it A) the Jews or B) not the Jews? Pretty simple answer.
Simple, where did the Old Testament come from? Was it A) the Jews or B) not the Jews? Pretty simple answer.
Abraham Was Not A Jew, And Neither Was Jacob
Simple, where did the Old Testament come from? Was it A) the Jews or B) not the Jews? Pretty simple answer.
The Old Testament doesn't come from Abraham. Abraham didn't write #. The first 5 books of the Bible were given to us, supposedly, by Moses, who was a Hebrew/Jew. Those 5 books establish what Judaism is and why it is what it is. Muslims claim their heritage from Abraham and Hagar, and their offspring, Ishmael. ETA: Abraham was the first Jew.