Feds’ cover-up of UFOs puts US at risk, ex-Pentagon official warns

a reply to: NightVision

Agreed. Even by Christian standards that's a dumb thing for the senior official to say. If a demon can allegedly manifest anywhere it wants, then why would it need a ship to fly around in?

This question is 100% indicative to your lack of knowledge.

Answer: They don't. You and Peeps will never accept the fact that you
have been lied to. You have been suckered.

a reply to: crayzeed

Yep , be interesting to see where this rabbit hole leads , I think we already know some of the creatures lurking down there.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: NightVision

Agreed. Even by Christian standards that's a dumb thing for the senior official to say. If a demon can allegedly manifest anywhere it wants, then why would it need a ship to fly around in?

This question is 100% indicative to your lack of knowledge.

Answer: They don't. You and Peeps will never accept the fact that you
have been lied to. You have been suckered.

Educate me, then. Prove to me that all UFOs are demons.

Boy this should be good.

Here's the article Joe Murgia mentioned. It is indeed a long read, still at work so can't get through it now so no idea if it's a bombshell or more of the same, but here ya go:

www.newyorker.com... CHYD_6hxcRI

a reply to: NightVision

You want me to try and RE EDUCATE a closed hostile mind?

It would be good if I could pull it off.

Humorous if I were fool hardy enough to try.

Try understanding this with an open mind and with out any hostility.

The "Senior official" didn't become a senior official by being "Dumb".
Question yourself first writing off what an obviously intelligent trained
observer is saying. Not to mention someone who is closer to this subject
than you or I or anyone will ever imagine. Your quick judgement of what
he is saying is clearly biased. And completely ignorant of the fact that
he is just one of many people who've reached the same conclusion. Most
of them from strong academic secular back grounds. I'm sure you've
heard of such names as Dr. J Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee? Just to
name a few.

How my doing so far?

a reply to: Randyvine

You're entitled to your opinion as long as it doesn't get in the way of the search for the truth which in this case it apparently did.
Just because you're happy if someone throws a word at you that sounds familiar you can't expect others to lower their standards just so they don't hurt your feelings.
Demons means nothing if you think about it, we can call it that I don't give a # as long as we're all honest enough to admit we still don't know what it is, what it does and how it does it.

What a joke you talk about bias...

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: vlawde

And again people confuse having a word for it with knowledge about it.
What does that mean 'demonic'? Do we understand the biology, psychology, or technology of it just because we slapped a label on it?
Rethorical question, of course big fat no!

Is it not worth knowing just because someone believes it's scary?
How dumb are people?
'I just ignore it and it will go away'... lol

a demon can allegedly manifest anywhere it wants, then why would it need a ship to fly around in?

Where did you get that little tidbit from? Demons can't just manifest anywhere. They have to inhabit something. Remember when Jesus cast out the demons out of some people? He didn't just "un-manifest" them, he made them leave the human bodies they were in and go into pigs' bodies, which Jesus made jump over a cliff to kill the demons.

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: vlawde

And again people confuse having a word for it with knowledge about it.
What does that mean 'demonic'? Do we understand the biology, psychology, or technology of it just because we slapped a label on it?
Rethorical question, of course big fat no!

Is it not worth knowing just because someone believes it's scary?
How dumb are people?
'I just ignore it and it will go away'... lol

Agreed. Even by Christian standards that's a dumb thing for the senior official to say. If a demon can allegedly manifest anywhere it wants, then why would it need a ship to fly around in?

To deceive those watching. If aliens, no biggy...if demons, people turn to God.

If they were really Demons, we would have seen evidence of some kind of threat to Earth already, dontchya think?

What state is the world in today? Don't you think demons are having a field day? They are, but their day is about over.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

lol
There are people who actually believe that?
if that we're true how would they've died they could've just switched to ants, flies, birds, ...?
Plus if UFO are demons what do they posess that gives them those BT, orb, metallic disk... appearances?

a reply to: vlawde

The Feds will release some important UFO info in June, according to Elizondo.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you're talking demons in the biblical sense, you're pursuing a fruitless path.

You can speculate aliens, interdimensional beings, time travelers, alternate realities etc. We don't know. Is there any indication the phenomena is evil? No, although again we don't know, but you'd think it would be clearer if that were the case.

Back to the official who characterized UFOs as demonic, it's likely because his religious bias has him seeing though a particular filter that reflects that. If it appears to be supernatural or unnatural, a person like that would say demonic because the unknown scares them.

Some have speculated the phenomena is tied to ancient gods, myths and legends all though the ages. This is also possible. But some religions also view that as "against god". Same with ghosts and the like.

In the end (IMO) the term 'demons' as related to this is simply semantics. If we ever find out the truth, it could well disturb and frighten some, send some into despair if they suddenly discover their lifelong beliefs are false and wrong.

Hoping this will go away just ain't happening. New discoveries and concepts can be scary because they are unknown. I'd prefer dying with the truth than living a lie. If I find out in the scheme of all things I'm like an ant in an ant farm in some greater reality, so be it.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: NightVision

You want me to try and RE EDUCATE a closed hostile mind?

It would be good if I could pull it off.

Humorous if I were fool hardy enough to try.

Try understanding this with an open mind and with out any hostility.

The "Senior official" didn't become a senior official by being "Dumb".
Question yourself first writing off what an obviously intelligent trained
observer is saying. Not to mention someone who is closer to this subject
than you or I or anyone will ever imagine. Your quick judgement of what
he is saying is clearly biased. And completely ignorant of the fact that
he is just one of many people who've reached the same conclusion. Most
of them from strong academic secular back grounds. I'm sure you've
heard of such names as Dr. J Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee? Just to
name a few.

How my doing so far?

Terrible. I literally asked you to educate me, and you can't, or won't.

you can't even prove that I was being Hostile in any way.

You are using that as a convenient narrative to avoid explaining your position.

You are simply against having more data on the subject because it takes too much effort and too much open-mindedness. Its simpler for you to just conclude the craft are demonic.

I'm sorry if this truth offends you.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: vlawde

And again people confuse having a word for it with knowledge about it.
What does that mean 'demonic'? Do we understand the biology, psychology, or technology of it just because we slapped a label on it?
Rethorical question, of course big fat no!

Is it not worth knowing just because someone believes it's scary?
How dumb are people?
'I just ignore it and it will go away'... lol

Agreed. Even by Christian standards that's a dumb thing for the senior official to say. If a demon can allegedly manifest anywhere it wants, then why would it need a ship to fly around in?

To deceive those watching. If aliens, no biggy...if demons, people turn to God.

If they were really Demons, we would have seen evidence of some kind of threat to Earth already, dontchya think?

What state is the world in today? Don't you think demons are having a field day? They are, but their day is about over.

Under the logic you are spewing out, I can rob a bank or injure someone after I get off work and then blame the demons for convincing me to do it.

A court of law is a court of law, no matter what demons you may think are responsible for the world's problems. People have to be responsible for their actions. Period.

You're an expert on demons now, to boot. Where did u get your degree in Demonology?

Slowly reading through the article, so far doesn't look like any major reveals, but another step towards legitimatizing the topic. We'll see.

I did see the following on Twitter just now

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Randyvine

You're entitled to your opinion as long as it doesn't get in the way of the search for the truth which in this case it apparently did.

More than my opinion I'm entitle to the truth.
And the truth is the truth has been with us from
all along.

Just because you're happy if someone throws a word at you that sounds familiar you can't expect others to lower their standards just so they don't hurt your feelings.

I wish I knew what you're talking about here.

Demons means nothing if you think about it, we can call it that I don't give a # as long as we're all honest enough to admit we still don't know what it is, what it does and how it does it.

we have been informed just exactly of what so many are confirming.
They are shape shifters, there one purpose is to deceive mankind.
They have the power of the air and therefore are not subject to
any law of physics.

What a joke you talk about bias...

Yes well frankly the joke is obviously on you looking for
a truth that's already in your lap. Not my truth but the
absolute truth. For one and for all. How you deal with it
is your own affair.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: NightVision

More importantly how it hypothetically does it and how we could maybe learn/prevent/influence it.
Duck & cover, wave some frankincense and myrrh at it and shout Jesus.... obviously didn't help the last two thousand years but... you gotta have faith

Actually, the spread of Christianity has changed society for the better in so many ways. Regarding all people as equal began with Christianity.

Exept Woman and Homosexual people.

Read up on what the vatican and the church did to people in Europe and in the middle east during the dark ages.

Christianity didnt begin in 1776...

originally posted by: Randyvine

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Randyvine

You're entitled to your opinion as long as it doesn't get in the way of the search for the truth which in this case it apparently did.

More than my opinion I'm entitle to the truth.
And the truth is the truth has been with us from
all along.

Just because you're happy if someone throws a word at you that sounds familiar you can't expect others to lower their standards just so they don't hurt your feelings.

I wish I knew what you're talking about here.

we have been informed just exactly of what so many are confirming.
They are shape shifters, there one purpose is to deceive mankind.
They have the power of the air and therefore are not subject to
any law of physics.

What a joke you talk about bias...

Yes well frankly the joke is obviously on you looking for
a truth that's already in your lap. Not my truth but the
absolute truth. For one and for all. How you deal with it
is your own affair.

FFS it may be the truth FOR YOU but it's not everybody's truth.

This comment is a good take:

Demons means nothing if you think about it, we can call it that I don't give a f***as long as we're all honest enough to admit we still don't know what it is, what it does and how it does it.

Pretty much. Again, semantics. I could call it Sauron or Gandolf for that matter.

a reply to: Peeple.

Good post, a lot of people can NOT see past a label. Especially when it comes to religion or life. I actually had a fundie(she's not but sure acts like one, so label ready) who's is in her 30s turn down a man because he didn't take his family's christian label(This boy was waaaayyyy above her pay grade and what she deserved.).

So instead, she winds up marrying a man who lied to her. Said he was Christian so he could get laid, and worse he was the scum of the earth... Hardcore drug addiction, marriage didn't last year.

Labels should be removed from EVERYTHING, so you can call it what it is, without a predetermined biased agenda.

Which more then likely means in this case, that somehow we screwed it up and the UFOs/other beings are aggressive. Which makes sense of you look at the inverted cows, experiments, testimonies, and warnings across the grid. Probably even got the label for looking different, by a racist democ....

So don't let people troll you on your original post because you nailed it.


Truth: Religious wars exist because christians refuse to define the meaning of god. By labeling it,. When the middle east worshiped sekhmet because everyone knew her as a blood thirsty goddess, everyone agreed on her meaning, her image, everyone knew and feared her.

There was no wars, it wasn't until christians came over with a label and no definition that religious wars started.

Granted they have started to learn their lesson, and only since the 90s started calling "god" by many new names. Each with their own description.

I hope these examples prove how harmful labels can be. Both on personal and national levels.

So as I said you hit the nail on the head, using a predefined label for something new, will always lead to issues.

a reply to: NightVision

You are simply against having more data on the subject because it takes too much effort and too much open-mindedness. Its simpler for you to just conclude the craft are demonic.

Why would I be against more data? And how could I be offended?
If It has been made simple how is it my fault? Scripture has told us for
thousands of years what's going on in simple terms. So simple you
can't wrap your head around it. Why does simple have to be a bad thing?
Rhetorical: Because it threatens the lies you've come to think is the truth.

Wasn't very long ago the media and the academic world scoffed at the
idea of little green men was it? Well now what? They're finally admitting
that lie to you with out really saying so aren't they? No more eye rolls
there. So guess what? I suggest to you that was just the tip of the ice
berg. we've all been lied to. Like mushrooms we've been kept in the dark
and fed sh1t. I've followed this subject from age 10 and early on before
anyone was saying it any where. I concluded what the truth was of all
things para normal.

They fit the description that scripture gives us to the tea. Of course
I won't waste my time trying educate or prove anything to you. I will
tell you you need to re educate yourself away from the lies we've
been told for thousands of years. All because a few are in pursuit of an
ancient promise that goes all the way back to the garden. That is in itself
a lie.

Most of all you have some one right here right now telling you you've
been lied to. something you should know yourself by now . all on your
own.

You likely don't even believe in Bigfoot either.

THESE DEMONS SUCK