When the Covid jab arrived in India, things quickly started to change

If your theory that the vaccines are causing the infections spike was based upon critical thinking, you would be presenting evidence that the Covid-infected patients currently overwhelming the Indian hospitals are predominantly vaccinated health care workers.

Have you any such evidence?

a reply to: EvilAxis

You mis-understand.

I don't think the Vaccinated are the ones sick no.

But it is possible the Vaccine has sparked an entirely new infection , absofacto the vaccinated are the ones that have started the spread of a new varient that is burning through that country.

It's a theory nothing more.

Trying to blame this surge in India on some current gatherings is ridiculous , That country is constantly dense with people in city centers . So understand what I'm saying : Covid-19 is surging through India , Why?

What new variable has been introduced to India ?

The Vaccine .

The two are connected , How ? I don't know.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Any of these meat your requirements?
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originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

You mis-understand.

I don't think the Vaccinated are the ones sick no.

But it is possible the Vaccine has sparked an entirely new infection , absofacto the vaccinated are the ones that have started the spread of a new varient that is burning through that country.

It's a theory nothing more.

That's true. But it's a theory which makes little sense and is contradicted by most of the evidence. Somehow the vaccinated aren't sick but they're spreading a new variant which is making other people sick?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Trying to blame this surge in India on some current gatherings is ridiculous , That country is constantly dense with people in city centers . So understand what I'm saying : Covid-19 is surging through India , Why?

The ending of social distancing signalled by Modi, combined with mass gatherings and the spread of new variants seems a very reasonable explanation for the surge.

even as the virus spread like a wildfire, Modi and his cabinet ministers kept campaigning in state elections in five states, addressing massive rallies and praising the crowds for turning out in large numbers...

... the second wave of infections has been fuelled by one of the world’s largest religious festivals, the Kumbh Mela, held in the holy city of Haridwar every 12 years. It became a super-spreader event...

From April 10–14, over 2,000 people who attended the festival tested positive for the virus. By the time Modi appealed to the religious leaders in a tweet on April 17 to keep the Kumbh Mela “symbolic” — meaning not to attend in person — the festival had already been going for more than two weeks.

India’s staggering COVID crisis could have been avoided. But the government dropped its guard too soon

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

What new variable has been introduced to India ?

The Vaccine .

The two are connected , How ? I don't know.

That's not even a theory then.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Mate your just repeating yourself and echoing the media .

Try thinking for yourself , look at it objectively .

I'm trying to debate you ..Understand ?

As you say yourself, you don't know what the connection is between India's Covid surge and the vaccine, so I don't know what's left to debate. All I can do is echo the facts which indicate the only causative connection is protective.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

HUMANICIDE: Pfizer admits in its own mRNA jab trial documentation that non-jabbed people can be ENVIRONMENTALLY EXPOSED to the jab’s spike proteins by INHALATION or SKIN CONTACT.

I read the documentation but found no such 'admission'. Although mRNA vaccines like Pfizer's create the spike proteins in the body that the immune system arms against, it does not generate any virus, so no virus particles can be shed. Even if your body could shed spike proteins, they would be harmless, virus free, and non-replicating. Proteins don't infect, nor survive outside the body for long.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

Any of these meat your requirements?

You'll have to tell me which of that very mixed bag meet the demands of whatever theory you're proposing. Several are nothing to do with vaccines, and none seem related to the topic of this thread.

a reply to: tanstaafl

WTF are you talking about? You obviously didn't watch the video.

All I can do is echo the facts which indicate the only causative connection is protective.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Wrong , not facts.

your echoing the Media , Just because the Media says something does not make it a Fact.

Understanding that is step one to thinking for your self.

The media is a politically bias organization with an agenda , which makes everything they say slanted hyperbole definitely not Facts.

The only Facts we are working with are , the Vaccine variable , and a Densely populated country whom should have already had there Covid-19 episode.

I'll ask again what is the difference between a " Religious Festival " and a crowded market place in New Delhi India ?

There is none.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Just because the Media says something does not make it a Fact.

And just because the Media says something does not make it not a fact.

I'm well aware of media biases and agendas, thanks. When possible I look for first-hand sources. Different media organisations have different biases. Scientific studies try (and sometimes fail) to eliminate commercial, political and personal biases.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

I'll ask again what is the difference between a " Religious Festival " and a crowded market place in New Delhi India ?

There is none.

Maybe some clues in this Indian newspaper of September 6 last year:
Covid-19: NDMA Allows Delhi's Weekly Markets to Open Daily Till September 6 on Trial Basis

Weekly markets have been permitted to function from 4 pm to 10 pm and not more than two buyers are allowed to deal at any stall at one time. Weekly markets in the city were closed since March 23.

There I go echoing the Media again...

a reply to: EvilAxis

The thing with India is simply no lockdown can work, because as I heard one girl say "We simply cant afford it, if we stay indoors we starve"

I've been seeing alot of bumper stickers about farms with no media attention about all the stickers. An little concern about a new virus, of new virus...which will end being a new virus.

Stalin took the farms first, just saying.

Maybe some clues in this Indian newspaper of September 6 last year:
Covid-19: NDMA Allows Delhi's Weekly Markets to Open Daily Till September 6 on Trial Basis


Weekly markets have been permitted to function from 4 pm to 10 pm and not more than two buyers are allowed to deal at any stall at one time. Weekly markets in the city were closed since March 23.


There I go echoing the Media again...

a reply to: EvilAxis

Your talking about a peoples who live there lives on there feet who make there living on there feet .

They are not adhering to any restrictions mate , you need to wake up.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

They are not adhering to any restrictions mate , you need to wake up.

And you blithely ignore anything which doesn't fit your incoherent theory. You asked the difference between the mass religious meetings and the Delhi markets. As the markets were closed for months, adherence was imposed and inescapable. When it reopened stringent rules allowing two buyers to deal at any stall at one time were imposed.

Where did you get your Indians not adhering to restrictions 'fact'? You didn't say. Presumably not the media? Do you live in India or did you just make it?

Self imposed restrictions and compliance levels in India have been greater than many Western countries. According to Times of India, Feb 26:

In India the compliance was at 67% in September 2020 survey where 67% of citizens rated compliance levels as good in their area, which has fallen to 30% now.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

you need to wake up.

To what? That there's a connection between the Covid surge in India and the vaccine but you don't know what it is or how it's doing it?

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: tanstaafl

WTF are you talking about? You obviously didn't watch the video.

My apologies...

You're right, I mis-read your point, and ass-u-me-d you meant something you didn't.

He is actually making a lot of sense (wtf? how does someone working for the Rockefeller foundation speak truth like this?) - pro natural herd immunity (the only real herd immunity), anti-vaxx, anti-lockdowns, saying what I've been saying - if we'd have simply allowed the virus to take its natural course, it would have all been over within a few months - just like Trump said.

The lockdowns, mask mandates, social distancing mandates etc are the problem, not the virus.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

They are not adhering to any restrictions mate , you need to wake up.

And you blithely ignore anything which doesn't fit your incoherent theory. You asked the difference between the mass religious meetings and the Delhi markets. As the markets were closed for months, adherence was imposed and inescapable. When it reopened stringent rules allowing two buyers to deal at any stall at one time were imposed.

Where did you get your Indians not adhering to restrictions 'fact'? You didn't say. Presumably not the media? Do you live in India or did you just make it?

Self imposed restrictions and compliance levels in India have been greater than many Western countries. According to Times of India, Feb 26:

In India the compliance was at 67% in September 2020 survey where 67% of citizens rated compliance levels as good in their area, which has fallen to 30% now.

I'm blatantly Ignoring any facts you present provided by external media sources.

Yes I'm being purposefully stubborn in an effort to make you step outside your comfort zone.

Mate the Media drops a net over us filtering everything that comes in or out , We only see what is intended to be seen and in a certain light , because they know that most people ' most being 98% '' of us are to lazy to actually investigate things for ourselves short of Copy/Paste MSM information .

Is everthing the MSM provides a lie ? No but you can d*mn well guarantee it's not the whole story , and much of it is a lie and people have a hard time dealing with that mentally it pushes them from there comfort zone . People have no problem lying to themselves so as to avoid the anxiety of reality.

I don't live in India , but I have been to Southeast Asia more than once in my life and I do know people there whom I can personally ask .

" Hey what is the market looking like in Delhi today ? "

And the answer to that question is so much more reliable than what NBC has to say about it .

Get on Facebook and corospond with people in India Ask them what is life like over there , it's not that difficult to do a little detective work mate.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Try thinking for yourself

Jeezus, you think that "thinking for yourself" makes you correct..lol

I should reword that, so as not to seem dickish..do you think, "thinking for yourself" make one correct?

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Try thinking for yourself

Jeezus, you think that "thinking for yourself" makes you correct..lol

I should reword that, so as not to seem dickish..do you think, "thinking for yourself" make one correct?

I'm not debating him i an effort to be correct , If you read through our post you would see that .

I'm simply trying to prove a point .

and simply repeating MSM dribble does not make that info " correct "

RE INDIA: www.worldometers.info...

India population: 1.4 Billion people

Covid-19 deaths: 152 deaths for every 1 million citizens.

The U.S. Media would have you think India is suffering a Covid-19 disaster.

Anyone now see the U.S. Media pattern, who didn't see it before?

Anyone seeing the pattern of covid flare-ups
And elections yet ?
Yet here's a Special One

Joseph Stalin is set to win election in India: Politician named after murderous Russian dictator is projected to win state election in India


Now they are just playing with us...

Wake Up