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In historic move, Biden says 1915 massacres of Armenians constitute genocide

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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 04:59 PM
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U.S. President Joe Biden said on Saturday that the 1915 massacres of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire constituted genocide, a historic declaration that infuriated Turkey and further strained frayed ties between the two NATO allies.

The largely symbolic move, breaking away from decades of carefully calibrated language from the White House, was welcomed by the Armenian diaspora in the United States, but comes at a time when Ankara and Washington grapple with deep policy disagreements over a host of issues.

Turkey’s government and most of the opposition showed rare unity in their rejection of Biden’s statement. Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Turkey “entirely rejects” the U.S. decision which he said was based “solely on populism”, while the opposition denounced it as a “major mistake”.

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I'm sure many on here will denounce this move, but it's certainly been a long time coming. Most of the world has acknowledged the Armenian Genocide. Anyone who has even casually studied topic can identify it as genocide. The only reason we haven't acknowledged it as such until now is because it would piss off Turkey.

Well Turkey, you haven't exactly been a team player for the past few administrations. In fact you've made a few moves that are outright detrimental to the US and our allies. So why should we be expected to continue to placate you and your despot leader?

The Ottoman Empire committed genocide and that is a simple fact. It's nice that the US finally acknowledges that fact over 100 years later.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Good,

I am actually surprised considering how we like to deny or change documented history.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:26 PM
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Turkey has been playing both sides, buying Russian missiles while being a member of NATO.

But I don't know what this actually does. The Ottoman Empire is gone. Is Turkey supposed to say, "Yeah, sorry?" Not likely.

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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:26 PM
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This will turn not only Turkey against Biden, but also Muslims in general. I think Biden read or heard something about knowing your enemy but he thought it was make everyone your enemy.

This should have happened a long time ago.
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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Phage

It's a political move. Biden is flexing a bit.

All atrocities should be recognized, and be examined through a critical analysis to ensure they are factual, the Armenian genocide is definitely one of those historical events put on the back burner, and should be brought to light more often, to show people what lengths those in power are willing to go to reach some twisted goal.

Turkey has this weird fantasy of returning to Ottoman empire status.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

I understand that. It's similar to the apology from the US Government about its role in the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom. But at least that was the same government.



Turkey has this weird fantasy of returning to Ottoman empire status.
Could explain the affinity with Putin.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:39 PM
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Red Herring warning. Think people. THINK !⭕



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:41 PM
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Now do China. He wont.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:41 PM
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It is good that the US acknowledges the genocide the Armenians. A tragic affair made even more so by the fact it is often unknown entirely in the west.

Of course it is all well and good to memoralise events of a century past, but there are brutal ethnic cleansing and genocide campaigns ongoing today. Like the royghina people in Myanmar, or the Uyghurs in Occupied Turkestan in which many western corporations are complicit in. Sadly the world is largely silent to these attrocities, and i do not expect that to change in the near future.



Turkey has this weird fantasy of returning to Ottoman empire status


Indeed. Ataturk is spinning in his grave at what his country has become.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Biden has played a crucial role in NATO and EU affairs his entire political career. Don't think for one minutes he's some push over old man. He's deceptive. Where ever NATO or the EU has gone or set it's sights on, he's always behind the scenes. Turkey has obviously done something those in power don't like.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:46 PM
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Why does this have a pro-palestine feel to it for me.

I don't know the connection, but it triggered me.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Buying Russian missiles is on the list, I think.


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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 05:50 PM
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As I said in another thread:

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: AnthonyMD

1911 - Turkey est. Gun Control. 1915-17 1.5 million Armenians were murdered


Don't buy the propaganda on this. While the Turkish Government did kill a large number of Armenians for siding with the Czar, most of the missing numbers of Armenians were people who fled the country after Turkey started their round up. Many of those Armenians came to the US. Those numbers of people that fled are counted amongst the dead for certain reasons. Then you have all the Armenians and Turks that died during the Spanish Influenza outbre4ak that gets over looked to.

Then when you look at the so-called mass graves, what they don't tell you is that many of them are centuries old cemeteries. So while the Turkish Government is by no means innocent of any crimes, the Armenians have taken every opportunity to inflate their claims ever since the Second World War.

As to the Turkish Gun Grab back then, it was an attempt to stop the Russian Czar from forcing a Civil War in Turkey to try and destabilize the region. The Czar wanted to control all sides of the Black Sea, and not just the northern portion of it. So while also not excusable, the Armenians seem to leave out the part of what they were trying to do at the time.

All the other facts you presented should be noted loudly as a warning. Something else that needs mentioning about this. James Madison (yes that Founding Fathers Guy) said in the Federalist Papers that the purpose of the Second Amendment wasn't just to allow the people of this country to protect life and property, but also as a warning to those elected into office, that it was the people that have the final word on what the government does and not the select few. This fact seems to have created a sense of fear amongst those politicians today that desire to enslave and undermine this country.

Funny how that works huh?


If Armenians are willing to discuss the amount of fleeing Armenians that were never accounted for, and the fact the their "mass graves" were also centuries old cemeteries, or the fact that they ignore the deaths from the Spanish Influenza outbreak, then maybe I'd be willing to discuss this "genocide" they keep going on about.

A fun fact, a few years ago some Armenians I know from Fresno went to Armenia to visit "Their Country", I asked them to poke around about the genocide. When they came back early from their trip, they told me that they had been told to get out of the country by their travel advisor, and they claimed that they had to flee in the middle of the night by car to another country before flying back to the US. I know that sometimes they can be a little heavy on the drama, but the couple did seem scared about something.

So as I said in the first posting on this, I'm not excusing the Turkish Officials for these crimes, but I'm also not buying the story that the Armenians like to tell everyone about the killings either. They like to leave out the facts of them siding with the Czar, the mass migrations, the flu outbreak, the fact that many of them were going to try and overthrow the Turkish government at the time. So until we get an unapologetic look at what happened, it's kind of hard to buy the hype.

Something else that shouldn't be over looked, a lot of politicians started to agree with the Armenian story of genocide at the same time Armenians started having active lobbying groups in DC. Remove the money, and let's see how history really reads the killings that happened.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I wonder what Biden thinks of the USA genocide of Native Americans?

I absolutely hate when this damn country gets all preachy on the global scale, acting like we don't have just as messed up of a past, and in a really short time span at that.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: beyondknowledge

I do not see a problem with that, the sooner they show there TRUE face the better for the world.

You can't civilize followers of a cult that believe there God told them to behead those that refuse to follow there faith.

By contrast most of them never having read the Christian bible miss the part of the book of revelation that mentions Christ returning with those Beheaded for his names sake.

It is about time a president of the US even one perhaps of such contested legitimacy acknowledged the suffering of our Christian brothers and sisters from the Armenian people.

Though it comes over a century too late.

It was not only the Armenians that the Ottoman's tried to wipe out but ALL Christians in The former heartland of the Orthodox Church which they had invaded and seized culminating in the fall of Constantinople and the desecration of the great cathedral of Hagia Sophia in 1453.

For hundreds of years Christians were persecuted, enslaves, murdered, raped and it is still by all account's going on today with eastern European woman (particularly blond blue eyed ones) sold into slavery via Turkey by criminal gang's and then disappearing into the murky underworld of the Islamic cultures of the middle east.

During this ethnic cleansing by the Turk's during WW1 at least some 1.5 million Armenian's perished and many tens of thousands or more of other Christian minority's.


So tell me why should we be bothered what a bunch of cultists that are only too happy to chop a person's head off, worship a child abuser that married a six year old child (in the earliest version of the Sura's - not sure how you spell that - she was SIX and went bald on the wedding night probably from trauma induced shock to her little body and he then never touched her until her hair grew back at the ripe old age of nine years - he also expressed an interest in another little girl the daughter of one of his followers whom was a literal toddler but thankfully was dead by the time she was what he regarded as old enough) as a prophet and accept the literal mark of the Beast on right arm and there head for.
therevivedottomanempire.yolasite.com...


Now just so you and any Muslim reading this get the point, before Mohammad was even born St John on Patmos had a vision and wrote down the number in the manner he saw it which was in Greek letters of the time, an arrangement of Letters identical to the so called Bismallah.

A coincidence you may say or claim.

Well they had better hope so, the prophecy of St John known as the book of revelation clearly states that those that accept that mark go into the lake of fire.

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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 06:55 PM
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Somebody ask Biden wasn't it just cultural differences?

nypost.com...


President Biden continued in his response that he is “not going to speak out against” the Chinese Communist Party’s belligerent actions in Hong Kong, against the Uighurs, or in Taiwan.

“I point out to him no American president can be sustained as a president, if he doesn’t reflect the values of the United States,” the US president continued. “And so the idea that I am not going to speak out against what he’s doing in Hong Kong, what he’s doing with the Uighurs in western mountains of China and Taiwan — trying to end the one China policy by making it forceful … [Xi] gets it.”

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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

Seems to be a misinterpretation.

When asked if there were “any actual repercussions for China?”, President Biden responded, “Well, there will be repercussions for China. And he [Xi Jinping] knows that.” Clearly, President Biden does not find the Uighur crisis acceptable, as he indicates that China is expected to face consequences.

www.ypie.org...

But yes, nothing as yet.

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posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

All too true if he is willing to speak against them for crimes committed over a century ago and avoid the current crisis and genocide happening in China?.

Neither use nor ornament as we say over this side of the pond.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 07:08 PM
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This is epic!

Is he going to claim later that water is wet?

Asking for a friend.



posted on Apr, 24 2021 @ 07:20 PM
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Come on man...
we all know it's our corrupt government using illegitimate Joe as a dementia mouth piece. I'm sure the deep state will follow up with big plans in Turkey.



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