At least 60% of all new Covid cases are occurring in people who were already vaccinated

a reply to: KansasGirl
If you go way back to where this all started, you might find that I've been saying all along that fatality rates are a distraction.

And you're still doing it.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

we are still in phase 3 clinical trial

No. Phase III trials were completed.

Really? So we are just in Limbo trials? Is there a phase 3.2 or 3.5? Or are we still in phase 3? Because we certainly haven't gotten phase 4.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Really?

Really.

The results of the stage III trials were reviewed by the FDA before the EUAs were issued.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Really?

Really.

The results of the stage III trials were reviewed by the FDA before the EUAs were issued.

Awesome....so what phase are we in now then?

a reply to: Vasa Croe

You clearly have no understanding of what clinical trials actually are.

Risch is a quack.

In fact, the CDC has only received 5,814 reports of COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections from 43 U.S. states and territories after more than 75 million people have been vaccinated!

Info on what the CDC really found.

This includes 1,695 people who had no symptoms, 396 people who were hospitalized (although 133 of them were not hospitalized for COVID-19!), and 74 deaths (including nine who did not actually have symptoms of COVID-19).

Utter nonsense and it's dangerous to spread misinformation like that. Deadly even.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

You clearly have no understanding of what clinical trials actually are.

You clearly can't answer the question.

Here is an easy one....has there ever been a mRNA vaccine phase 4 approved?

I have a very good understanding and know it is EUA approved. But it is still in phase 3.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

has there ever been a mRNA vaccine phase 4 approved?

There is no such thing as "phase 4 approved."

Clinical development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is expanded and vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such as age and physical health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for efficacy and safety.

Many vaccines undergo Phase IV formal, ongoing studies after the vaccine is approved and licensed.

www.cdc.gov...

But it is still in phase 3.

Incorrect. Phase 3 trials were completed.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

has there ever been a mRNA vaccine phase 4 approved?

There is no such thing as "phase 4 approved."

Clinical development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is expanded and vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such as age and physical health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for efficacy and safety.

Many vaccines undergo Phase IV formal, ongoing studies after the vaccine is approved and licensed.

www.cdc.gov...

So you are stating the vaccines available are approved and licensed?

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Approved for emergency use. Yes.
Licensed, most definitely. Moderna owns a license. Pfizer owns a license.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Approved for emergency use. Yes.
Licensed, most definitely. Moderna owns a license. Pfizer owns a license.

Cool....so I guess CDC should update to "millions" of "volunteers"?



Please don't be disingenuous here Phage.....you know it hasn't been approved by the FDA except for EUA....it is a reactionary response and reactionary responses never bode well....

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: putnam6

your innate immune system going kind of crazy.

No. It's doing what it does but with the benefit of not actually contracting the disease.

Personally, I had no side effects (except perhaps for a slight headache, hard to say if that was actually a side effect of the vaccine though). I'm one of the majority.

Nobody is saying everybody gets sick and dies at least I am not. All I'm saying is if you have a doctor that knows your medical history talk to them about getting the vaccine.

It's very simple Would these vaccines pass the normal FDA requirements? Pretty sure the threshold for side effects is much much lower for "emergency use vaccines"

a reply to: putnam6

Yeah. That applies to any vaccination or treatment.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Please don't be disingenuous here Phage

I'm not.

You're the one blathering about "stage 4 approval."

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Please don't be disingenuous here Phage

I'm not.

You're the one blathering about "stage 4 approval."

Ok...straight from the FDA site on trials....please tell me how this fits..



Link is apparent in pic so feel free to debunk.

And yes...there IS phase 4.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Your "pic" is cut off.
Why not just provide a link?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: putnam6

Yeah. That applies to any vaccination or treatment.

The difference is we a mass vaccinating with barely a questionnaire on past medical history, with vaccines that haven't been as thoroughly tested or been used and improved upon.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Your "pic" is cut off.
Why not just provide a link?

www.fda.gov...

Provided...and there is a phase 4....

a reply to: Vasa Croe

and there is a phase 4

Yes. Yes there is. So what? It isn't required for approval.

Your source:

Phase 4 trials are carried out once the drug or device has been approved by FDA during the Post-Market Safety Monitoring

a reply to: Salander

Are they dying? Being hospitalized? If not...them what is the relevance if this information that even poorly informed people would not be surprised by?