Science Says

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Oh, yes, I had the surgery... quintuple bypass, went well (they said just before they told me "Oh! By the way, you now have three broken ribs") but then I had another heart attack two weeks later. Seems one of the clots he bypassed turned loose, lodged farther down the line, and then dissipated. At least that's the best explanation my cardiologist and I could come up with. All we know for sure is there's a bypass that was failing because there was nothing to bypass.

End result though, eight heart attacks is apparently too many. One wall of my heart is not moving normally now, so my blood flow is decreased. Decreased blood flow equals decreased oxygen and food to the muscles, which means debilitating (and I mean seriously debilitating) fatigue, mainly in my legs. I can stand/walk maybe 5-10 minutes at a time before needing an hour to rest up. Any more and the muscles quit working and I collapse. That's why I can't wear a face mask... even at 98% SpO2 I can only walk for short spans; decrease that to 93-94% and I collapse after a couple minutes at most.

I can still get around the house OK, and I have a lawn tractor/trailer I use outside to go long distances (I live on 16 acres). I keep sports chairs sitting around at strategic points and carry one in the trailer. I live by the motto "leverage and patience," lol. So it's not the end of the world.

However, when people get in my face about the face mask thing (getting back on topic), it's all but impossible to explain to them that my lungs are fine, but my blood flow is a problem. I have had one woman tell me, "If I have to wear one, you have to wear one." Sure, so does that mean you have to have your chest sawed open and your insides patched up like a quilt until your heart output is at 40%? I did.

Science is more than just the "what." It is about the "why" and the "how" and it changes as we learn more. Maybe it's because I have been involved with research for so long, but I just don't understand those who can't seem to understand that simple concept.

I will say this: anyone who wonders what happened to those flying cars we were supposed to have now? I have an answer. We don't have them because we "follow the science" instead of advancing the science. Science has become our master when it was always intended to be our tool.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Sounds like you could arrange yourself with the circumstances, life has to go on right?

About the masks, the wife of my landlord is excepted from the masks because of medical reasons, too. It's not fun for her, she can't move on the weekend market without getting nasty looks and comments. Some supermarkets make those wear a sign so other shoppers won't annoy them with the mask preaching. It's a two sided sword, you're tagged to be left alone.

A lot of people do not even consider there are cases like you and her, where making them wear a mask is a sure way to make them collaps or worse.

The week before easter I was visiting the bank, just the vending machine though. There was an old man at the vending machine, having trouble. So he asked me if I can explain him, I did. I explained him, turned around so he can enter his security code and helped him.

And we were like 30cm away from each others because he couldn't hear that good and I had to speak very loud. And he wouldn't back off when I approached the vending machine to check on what he's doing. I soaked up the moment, together with someone else just casually talking and for one moment the world was normal again, despite the masks we both had on. We both laughed about the situation and he was sort of embarassed because he didn't know what to do with the vending machine. Perhaps he was getting his money from a human at the counter before.

It was so nice helping someone and getting a little casual conversation, standing right next to each other, not 6 feet apart.

originally posted by: dug88
Everyone is capable of thinking scientifically. It's a skill that should be taught from a young age. Instead, it's barely touched on unless you fork out the money for a college education and even then, not until year 3 or 4.

Scientific literacy is a skill that can be taught and acquired. Institutionally, it's only taught to those who invest heavily into the system, otherwise you're left up to your own to learn and most people spend their time watching entertainment...

Which country is this? My nephew has only just turned three and is learning about gravity at is nursery. It's located in the local Uni campus so lecturers spend a couple of days a week teaching the fudamentals.

In the UK it's compulsary to have a good grasp of the scientific method by age 10. Conducting and writing up experiments is introduced the first lesson of secondary school (age 11). By age 15 someone should be well acustomed to it and able to pick a science to specialise in. 16 - 17 develops it further so someone can do independent learning and self teaching and do full statistical analysis of results.

Fees only got introduced for Uni a few years back, it used to be free. It's easy to get a free STEM undergrad or postgrad course as there's such high demand and such a high failure rate on courses due to their difficulty - my applied maths course had a 90% failure rate by third year and most people on the course were mature students who'd been working in the industry for years.

I'll do it...


and yeeeah, I'm not saying it's a cult but...it's a cult. Just look at the rectors dressed like masonic clowns. Them and the judges. Rector - a head of a university used to be
"a Roman Catholic priest directing a church with no pastor or one whose pastor has other duties"
It all started with Roman Catholic universities. The old deep state people were replaced and the dogma has changed to scientism but their hunger for power and control remained the same.

*I mean, it's the institutions what sucks the most. Unelected, outside of reach-, safe from masses or their impudent popular/populist presidents. Always pushing for their dream of technocratic dictatorship. Best run by a secret society of their choice of course. They have inquisition in place in case a pawn steps outside the line. It's a sign of times that it's heavily infiltrated by the left pushing their radical atheism, satanism, abortions, genetic modification, and even eugenics which sounds like an oxymoron until you figure out how fake their politics are

a reply to: dug88

Why did the James Corbett channel get deleted?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Science is not our master, the media is. The news channels, Facebook, youtube, twitch streaming, tiktok and vlogs. Those are the leash holders. They take what science says and tells us what we should feel and how to react, which science itself does not. Humans are not science, they use the method of science and tell us what they learned and media does the rest.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Well, that video seems to be the one that actually got his channel taken down. There's comments on his actual site from people who were in the middle of watching it when his channel was taken down.

He got a warning before about his ww1 documentary and was temp banned for like a week over a covid video. I guess this was the final strike or whatever

science is undoubtedly powerful. but it is not all-powerful.

originally posted by: dug88

Well, in honor of the Corbett report finally being given the axe on YouTube, I thought I'd make a thread on his video that got his channel taken down as it happens to be on a subject that's been really getting on my nerves.

In this video, Corbett breaks down the ways science is being used as propaganda and being elevated to a near cult status to guide modern life.

www.corbettreport.com...

Haven't managed to watch that one yet Dug but here's a good quote from Robert Heinlein.

This may be the most ironic thread I've ever seen on ATS. Never witnessed an OP that simultaneously gets it, and yet goes whoooosh right over its own head so bad.

Yes – science is adherence to the scientific method, that’s all.

A way of viewing the entire universe under strict principles that information is only useful if it can be formulated empirically, tested, repeated (or falsified), and used to make further predictions & conclusions that advance the entire process in perpetuity.

In other words, what science is not:

• Speculation and innuendo
  
• Rhetorical arguments built on emotional appeals and sentimentality
  
• Motivated reasoning (the downfall of so many on message boards like this) and rationalizing that, because your argument sounds reasonable to you, it must be impartial and objective, and therefore “real science”.
  
• A bunch of hyperbole built on fear, anger, paranoia, and all the other conspiracy-friendly feelings that cloud people's judgment, yet simultaneously make them feel empowered and “woke”
  

So in a few sentences, the OP clearly defines what science is – basically puts it on a platter for everyone. Then, with a hat tip to Corbett, devolves into a bunch of corny emotional appeal about cults this and blind faith that, which predictably gets all the other ATS preachers pontificating too. Nothing of substance actually follows, except all the things listed above that perfectly exemplify exactly what science is not.

The condescending nods to those poor suckers who apparently can't think for themselves is the cherry on top. Please enjoy the feeling that gives you from this pedestal, while you shake your fist at those pompous ivory towers.

originally posted by: dug88
Well, in honor of the Corbett report finally being given the axe on YouTube, I thought I'd make a thread on his video that got his channel taken down as it happens to be on a subject that's been really getting on my nerves.

In this video, Corbett breaks down the ways science is being used as propaganda and being elevated to a near cult status to guide modern life.

www.corbettreport.com...

I like science. Science is great. I spent many years of my life and not an insignificant amount of money to be able to say I am a scientist. I'd be the first person to say science is pretty great and has probably given us a better understanding of the world than just about any other way.of looking at things.

It's based on some pretty solid principles of observation and falsification. Which is tested using well defined sampling and observation methods and subject to review and falsification by peers.

Which is exactly not what the 'Cult of Science' that drives covid and many other modern day issues in which 'science' should be trusted with blind faith is not.

If someone is telling you to 'trust the science' they don't understand the first thing about science. Any scientist worthy of the name will never tell you science is infalliable, will never tell you a study is fact, will never tell you their science proves anything and would welcome any challenges to their data and findings in hope of coming as close as truth to possible.

That is science. Not arbitrary orders based on a study, not ultimate truths.

Science is and always has been nothing more than a logical way of observing the world and coming to conclusions based on said observations. It's a tool, not a religion. There is no 'trust the science' there's look at the data available and come to logical conclusions based on said data, if data changes, update conclusions.

In addition, science has ZERO to do with "trust". If you are telling someone to "trust" your conclusion, then you have zero credibility. Science is always being tested and questioned, that's real science.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: dug88

Well, in honor of the Corbett report finally being given the axe on YouTube, I thought I'd make a thread on his video that got his channel taken down as it happens to be on a subject that's been really getting on my nerves.

In this video, Corbett breaks down the ways science is being used as propaganda and being elevated to a near cult status to guide modern life.

www.corbettreport.com...

Haven't managed to watch that one yet Dug but here's a good quote from Robert Heinlein.

The fine quote says it all.

You can either put your hands upon it and dig right in and learn or you can read a book or take an instruction which is tantamount to TRUSTING someone else....

As we can see one issue precludes the other....and by proxy the entire concept is akin to cerebral self-immolation on one side of the scale and the Path of Most Resistance on the other side of it.

Because we all do not have the physical lifespan or time to do everything required with our own hands and tactile learning methods....we must make a choice to live an extremely limited bubble-like life that is limited by our ability to learn in a tactile manner.....or make a choice to expand our horizons and to trust the word of others who have had tactile experiences differing from our own....we cheat time that way.

Its a trust issue...Humanities very survival health and well being and evolution or future are at stake when it comes to being able to trust each others word.....together we stand and divided we fall and TIME IS ALWAYS OF THE ESSENCE......which is why owning and operating a privately owned MSM OR ANY TYPE OF INFORMATION OR DATA TYPE ENTITY LIKE A SCHOOL MAKES YOU OPEN TO BEING CHARGED WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMAITY IF YOU INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENT OR MISLEAD OR MISINFORM.....or intentionally underinform.

Science AND Knowledge must always be an OPEN PUBLIC FORUM or it disenfranchises itself by proxy..... no Peer Approval BS and patents, no secrets...none of that.

When you have a reality in which individuals can legally and rightfully own and suppress data and knowledge that is the birthright of all of Humanity....we are on our way to extinction.

There is no graft and suppression within the Public Forum Knowledge Sharing Process......its a race....and you cannot cheat......thats really why we call it the Human Race....its a race to LEARN AND EVOLVE.

If a man named Atnoine Bechamp developed the Terrain Theory many years ago and it would have saved BILLIONS OF LIVES.....but a certain Group of People whom we can easily identify.....decided to suppress and then hijack this information....and then they decided to WEAPONIZE that data to be used to FARM AND ENSLAVE HUMANITY....by creating and then selling a fallacy to the entire world called Germ Theory which was artificially evolved into The Great Virus Lie.....well these Legacy People and their current compatriots are Humanitarian Terrorists BY VERY DEFINITION....AND MUST BE REMEDIATED AND THE KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE HOARDED AND BASTARDIZED MUST BE liberated and re-vetted.

We are lucky we have guys like Keshe who did follow Bechamps directives have now taken us light years beyond the dynamics that had held us all back for CENTURIES.

a reply to: dug88

I first watch his channel when the Timothy McVeigh video came out. Hes great. So the channel is gone for good?

a reply to: mc_squared

science is adherence to the scientific method, that’s all.

No, it is more than that. It is reasoned, logical thinking and analysis combined with experimentation in adherence to the scientific method. One can think of the scientific method as a road map to a destination (the truth). Which road does one take to make that journey? That's up to the individual scientist as long as he's using the map.

Incidentally, a scientist is anyone who uses the scientific method to try and discover truth, whatever that truth may be. It's easier with a degree, sure, as that degree serves as an advanced starting point, but a person can become a scientist simply by starting where they are and trying to advance science using the scientific method.

In other words, what science is not:

• Speculation and innuendo
  

On innuendo you are correct, but speculation is indeed a part of science. One must speculate on phenomena in order to know what one wishes to test. Indeed, many of the phenomena we claim to understand today cannot be tested in a laboratory. Take the earth's orbit around the sun: that was introduced as pure speculation based on observation. It was then analyzed mathematically and today, thanks to our ability to send observers into space, we are pretty darn sure the earth orbits the sun. But no one has ever placed the earth and the sun in a laboratory setting to conduct an experiment.

The condescending nods to those poor suckers who apparently can't think for themselves is the cherry on top.

The problem addressed is not that certain people cannot think for themselves as much as it is that many people refuse to think for themselves, so many that now we have leaders refusing to acknowledge what science really is. It is not "pompous" nor "condescending" to state the truth... if I state that ducks appear to be be the dumbest creatures on the planet (they are), I am not being condescending to ducks! That kind of thinking is the exact problem, to state that facts can be condescending. They cannot. Facts are truth, reflected through the filter of our understanding.

TheRedneck

Science is used in Courts of Law to dictate our lives...this is a serious topic...one with over-reaching impacts.... Bastardized Science has been weaponized by some evil plicks and we need to stop them now not later. The time for debate and discourse is now over.Its Go-Time.

www.bitchute.com...

Heres some pucking Science for you....Covid as presented to us is a sham and a False Flag and the Vaccines are an act of Humanitarian Terrorism....however....this is not an issue of there being no impact killing people...because there is something killing people all over the World right now....the same thing the evil plicks have been using for 2 Centuries....and its not called Covid...but it sure as hell is real as rain.......it is this insidious monster weaponized pleomorphic bacteria that has been and still is killing People....the evil satanic freaks weaponized this bug Centuries ago....time to fight....time to stand up ....covid-cold is a pleomorphic bacteria the same one that gives us bad gut bacteria and so-called cancers....and all other diseases as well....this is what the beestards have been hiding for Centuries.....its why rich phuckers used to use Silver Plates and Utensils for their anti-bacterial properties not because they were "pretty".....the rotten freaks knew about the bug before they had proper remedial methods at their own disposal proving it is older knowlegde they "inherited" and kept secret....today we now know this bug was described and detailed in the freaking Bible of all places.....this is not new news this is old weaponized news....time to wake up.

They did not "make up " covid-cold....they are lieing to you and telling you the pleomorphic bacteria is something its not....there is no such thing as a virus....never was..... its always been the Pleomorphic Bacteria.....not the fictional bad gut bacteria and fictional Superbug in your blood or fictional cancer in your whole body.....if you care about Humanity you will stand now here on ATS or elsewhere....the talk is over now....its Go-Time....which side of the Fence are you on ?.....dont try sitting n the middle or you will get hurt really bad when one side or the other pushes you off with predjudice....your vote will now be tallied up and attatched to your arse....you dont get to be oppositionally defiant without catching your own tab if things go South....time to step up or stand back.

Cant you "feel" the change ?......places like this are the Canary in the Mine..... and I can feel it and its SOOOO STRONG.....overwhelming change is imminent.

a reply to: mc_squared

Can you explain exactly which parts of my post do the things you describe and how exactly it is I'm doing this?

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: mc_squared

Can you explain exactly which parts of my post do the things you describe and how exactly it is I'm doing this?

Using Corbett as a starting point. The guy is a loon who makes money spreading pseudo-science about 5G mind control and chemctrails making frogs trans.

Corbett is a self-appointed expert with no training or experience in the field. He cherry picks or simply makes things up to pretend there is a scientific basis for his political beliefs and wild conspiracies.

For genuine examples of how science and research gets distorted and corrupted look into the 'impact agenda'. I helped develop an automated tool to combat it with a few profs from UCL; the discussion on it is scientific where the only agenda is strict adherence to the scientific method and accuracy rather than political propaganda pretending it's scientific.

originally posted by: bastion

Which country is this? My nephew has only just turned three and is learning about gravity at is nursery. It's located in the local Uni campus so lecturers spend a couple of days a week teaching the fudamentals. ...

Mostly satire-mode //

What ??
That's scandalous !!
Which backwards place is that ?

Here babies are not allowed to enter the nursery, unless they can pass a very strict exam on advanced Scientific principals.
By 2 years old : the little ankle-biters can do derivative mathematical calculations, involving multiple complexities.
By 3 years-old : the toddlers have been fully instructed in nuclear-physics, as well as woodland winter survival.
By 4 years old : the distinguished preschoolers are expected to complete multiple projects, simultaneously. Including building a functioning nuclear power-plant, from scratch materials, in an uninhabited forest situation, with nothing but a buck-knife ; as well as successfully demolishing 3 skyscrapers into mostly their own footprint, on the same day ; and building 3 replacement skyscrapers ; also write a 4-hour opera piece, including lyrics, and sheet music for a 50 singer/actor crew, as well as original music fully scored for a 100 piece orchestra ; master 10 languages ; and know the difference between a Ford pick-up, and a Dodge pick-up.

Hereto sorta linked, is a supposed excerpt, of what some may say is a quote, from Viceroy Professor Emeritus Dr. D. Rg. HRH. Rt.-Hon. Sire Shnoozllegy Von Spitbottomm BSC. PHD. MSC. Jr. ™, ®, 33rd°, 7th-Dan, Esquire :

Well, you know, of course, you see, it's easy to comprehend, once one can begin to understand the understood !
So how could one know something : if one doesn't understand it ?
Do you understand ?
Science doesn't know : and it understands that it is only guessing, as best as it can attempt to.
There is no settled science : period !

What a marvelous, and thoroughly enlightening quote from Viceroy Professor Emeritus Dr. D. Rg. HRH. Rt.-Hon. Sire Shnoozllegy Von Spitbottomm BSC. PHD. MSC. Jr. ™, ®, 33rd°, 7th-Dan, Esquire !

His stellar 41-year career, has brought him to this most honored, and venerated position of a division Viceroy, at one of the 12 most prestigious universities in the universe !

He still enjoys lecturing the 2-year olds, on alternative Quantum theory comparative probabilities, as thought-experiments.

Will let you know what happens for 5-year olds, when my time comes in September of this year.

// End mostly satire-mode.

Yay reality !!
Or how to tell the difference, betwixt 'this-that-just-is', and theatre, as above :
Except when it isn't so obvious, as above ?

Perhaps that may help some, to comprehend the difference between functional science, and Scientism™.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I state that ducks appear to be be the dumbest creatures on the planet (they are)

Hey! But they are funny to watch wadlde around, giving you the stare and they taste delicious. Not the bastardized white goose-duck mix you get when you enter "duck" in an international search engine.

I talk about these cuties, and the males are the pretty ones with colors. Always a smile on their beak.