Friends, let me tell you: The Secret

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Deetermined
Do you really think meditation and self centering is going to change the outcome of People's reality? No, it's a good intended effort to do so, but it's only a temporary effort. Sometimes good intentions can still lead to disaster.

Yes. I think changing your mindset and being positive will certainly alter your engagement with everyone else around you. If you are a negative person you tend to behave/act negatively which impacts every aspect of your life.

This is true.

Two more of my favourites.....

Fools are never wrong. The wise leave room for doubt.

Many interests. Few beliefs.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neutronflux

How do you know what intentions are behind it?
You decided that's how you can cope. You don't really know. Like the rest of us.

It's quite funny watching you getting all defensive.

My intentions are what Tulpa said.
But kindness is not justice.
I want justice.
And the truth.
You are completely wrong with what my intentions are so you're obviously not Baby Genius.

Some people cope by believing they are actually queen cleopatra, and believe their personal prosecution will go on and on.

Other people cope by self medicating.

Both examples are not very practical and healthy in context of proving for one’s self and family.

To cope, is well. To cope with reality. And create solutions to the reality of your situation. Not create a fantasy world were you can ignore that which is to be coped with. Or, basically the jest of your opening post. Bury your head in the sand and ignore there really is truth suffering from things like child abuse and genocide.

a reply to: neutronflux

What's up with all the assumptions?

All I said is occasionally you have to step back and remember the good you're fighting for. It won't be solved over night and I promise:
The mess will still be there when you return from your break.
Plus it really wouldn't hurt to doubt yourself.


You're assumptions are all wrong again.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neutronflux


Plus it really wouldn't hurt to doubt yourself.


You're assumptions are all wrong again.

The juxtaposition of your two sentences is telling.


You assume "the good you're fighting for" is truly 'good'.
Both, Gandhi and Hitler meditated on the 'good' they were fighting for...and acted accordingly.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Deetermined
Do you really think meditation and self centering is going to change the outcome of People's reality? No, it's a good intended effort to do so, but it's only a temporary effort. Sometimes good intentions can still lead to disaster.

Yes. I think changing your mindset and being positive will certainly alter your engagement with everyone else around you. If you are a negative person you tend to behave/act negatively which impacts every aspect of your life.

In most instances this is true, but will it keep the government from raising the prices of gas and food, lower your health insurance premiums, or keep a roof over your head? Engaging with local people aren't the only factors that come into quality of life or a sense of peace.

I cannot control what others say, but I can control how I react to it. I do not want to let things get to me, it is hard to sleep at night when you are upset and the more upset you get the more irrational you seem to get.

I can try to get information out there as to the truth of how I perceive things to actually be. But consensus of the time is controlled by some powerful social elite and political people....not to mention the media. Consensus of the time forms our reality and I know that the reality we live in is far from real, we have been under the control of others for thousands of years. Various tactics are used to control us and social engineering is the most effective way. The thing is that honesty does not control our society, deceptive people do.

I have spent many years now investigating things we have been brainwashed to believe are real and found that most of what we believe is necessary is not. Honesty, integrity, and getting along with others is what we should focus on. But so many people are not that way. Our society in America was formed on the basis of the Christian values, the freedoms we enjoy were part of that. But there are lots of people who take advantage of others niceness and charity and that leaves less for the people who actually need help.

I am not going to focus on the negative though, it can drive a person into paranoia, knowing this kind of thing exists in such high amounts is hard enough to fathom, it is part of our world. Every form of government I studied has it's bad points, but so far the USA was heading in the right direction till about four years ago when some people started bashing others to initiate change which actually drives people farther apart and promotes racism.

originally posted by: Deetermined
In most instances this is true, but will it keep the government from raising the prices of gas and food, lower your health insurance premiums, or keep a roof over your head? Engaging with local people aren't the only factors that come into quality of life or a sense of peace.

WTF does any of that have to do with what the Original Poster is advocating? It's like asking if you think positively can it prevent a meteor from landing on your head.

originally posted by: Peeple
Evil is relative. Ask a pig and we are evil.

It's there either way, if you pay attention or not.




Just noticed 'spell' has two meanings...

"spell" 1. letters that make up a word 2. "to cast" a spell 3. an undefined segment of time ( lets sit and chat for a spell).

To the OP, it takes a GREAT deal of WORK. well said

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Looking back to Celts, Greeks, Egypt, all the Ancients in Asia, like Hindi, the old Shang...what's the centre in this Venn?

She didn't include the Romans in this spiritual post, for obvious reasons.

Let's quote an expert anyway :

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neutronflux

What's up with all the assumptions?

All I said is occasionally you have to step back and remember the good you're fighting for. It won't be solved over night and I promise:
The mess will still be there when you return from your break.
Plus it really wouldn't hurt to doubt yourself.


You're assumptions are all wrong again.

Please specifically quote a wrong “assumption”. And why it’s wrong. Let’s start with that one example.

And you also posted that “evil is relevant”?

While I was posting in the context of actual suffering. My “assumption” concerning human suffering is wrong in some way? How?

AugustusMasonicus:

Hey, Peeple was the one who said the battlecry and long-term goal was to obtain truth and justice. I'm just bringing back some reality on whether meditation is the solution. Does it lead to justice for you, Mr. Defensive with worthless comments?

originally posted by: Trueman
She didn't include the Romans in this spiritual post, for obvious reasons.

Let's quote an expert anyway :

Yeah, I didn't want to poke her with a sharp stick in the eye but it was a very major oversight.

So we should probably poke her with a sharp stick in the eye.

originally posted by: Deetermined
Hey, Peeple was the one who said the battlecry and long-term goal was to obtain truth and justice. I'm just bringing back some reality on whether meditation is the solution.

If it leads to you being positive it's certainly a solution. But some people prefer to wallow in misery and useless tangential digression.

originally posted by: Deetermined
AgustusMasonicus:

Hey, Peeple was the one who said the battlecry and long-term goal was to obtain truth and justice. I'm just bringing back some reality on whether meditation is the solution. Does it lead to justice for you, Mr. Defensive with worthless comments?

It’s all in your head.

As an aside from your silliness is some of my own.

Funnily enough the pig you eat would eat you if he had the chance, as would the tuna fish that John West accepts.

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Looking back to Celts, Greeks, Egypt, all the Ancients in Asia, like Hindi, the old Shang...what's the centre in this Venn?

She didn't include the Romans in this spiritual post, for obvious reasons.

Let's quote an expert anyway :

Quoted to acknowledge a conqueror and a destroyer

a reply to: Peeple

Don't forget to do that occasionally even if you don't have it all figured out, even if # is really serious, the whole war thing is in your mind.
Is that really what you want?

That's easy to say when it's 'your' team bombing the crap out of others with drones. Just saying.

Good sales-pitch tho. Onwards, comrade!

a reply to: Peeple

Some things you have to learn the hard way.

I've got a friend who recently went into the deep end due to practicing some spiritual stuff. The people teaching her were bloody dumb, a cult. She started seeing stuff and obsessing over the perceived ills of the world. The likes of the darker stuff discussed on ATS.

She's now strolling down the path AM alludes to under your OP. Religion works for some...

It's all a choice, I like to think the only voice that ever matters is the narrator in your head. The one that's with you till the day you're dead. Everything else is pretty much perception. If consciousness was an IV bag then reality is the doctor pumping it full of drugs.

I'm not a Christian but there's wisdom in John 3:12.

Know thyself, I love threads like this

originally posted by: Deetermined

The "war" is real. You're just teaching yourself how to escape it temporarily "in your mind".

Are you in a position to escape it for longer periods of time than others? Are you retired and living your life as a secluded and isolated hermit yet? That will make it a lot easier if you are.

What war are you talking about?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm confused, too. Which one is it, the one with drugs?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Deetermined
Hey, Peeple was the one who said the battlecry and long-term goal was to obtain truth and justice. I'm just bringing back some reality on whether meditation is the solution.

If it leads to you being positive it's certainly a solution. But some people prefer to wallow in misery and useless tangential digression.

Thanks for proving that you can't/won't answer the question and only know how to respond with useless comments.