Inhabitants in two Norwegian nursing homes re-infected by Covid-19 after vaccination.

a reply to: neutronflux

If this about masks. If masks really protect you. Why would you care what anyone else does with their own body if you are wearing your mask. You are supposedly protected.

Seems to be a bit of confusion here.
I can't recall any official body here in the UK saying that wearing a mask will or even might protect the wearer from catching Covid-19.
What they do say is that wearing a mask MIGHT help prevent the spread of the virus - the mask may reduce the risk of an infected person breathing it out onto other people.

As I have quite clearly stated I personally am not convinced yet, but I think the minor inconvenience to me and other wearers is a very small price to pay considering the possible benefits.

I'm amazed that so many people still can not get their heads around this....or maybe they just don't want to?

If this is about the vaccine. I am young. I am in good health. Why would I take an experimental vaccine that does not stop people from getting covid, and does not stop the spread of covid.

I've never said anything about the vaccine.

I personally have had my first jab - Pfizer - and am waiting for my second dose.

If other people don't want it - regardless of which type - that is entirely up to them and would fiercely oppose any forced vaccination programme.

I would like people to apply a little bit of not-so-common sense for another month or two and see how things play out.
That's all.

And if this vaccine does not stop the spread of covid, then how are populations ever going to reach true herd immunity?

A question I have asked myself.
And if restrictions are staying in place what is the point of the vaccination programme?

Things are beginning to open up slowly but the biggest spreaders, schools, have been completely open for a while now.

Another personal opinion; I have no doubt over the reality of this outbreak but I honestly think that certain people are manipulating and exploiting the pandemic to further other agendas.
Making such a song and dance about the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask just distracts and detracts from the things we should be keeping an eye on and protesting about.

a reply to: Freeborn

Not moralizing or preaching here, but are you proud of spending years subjecting people to toxic potentially lethal fumes? That sounds like "something to be real proud of" in your own non-moralizing and non-preachy words. And yeah, "deflection blah blah blah" I get your angle. Weak.

a reply to: underpass61

Smoking isn't the topic under discussion.

I was never a heavy smoker and using the morals and standards of today to judge the actions of yesterday is pretty poor in my book.

Sure I regret smoking, every aspect of it....but there's sod all I can do about it now can I.

I don't think I'm moralising or preachy, just stating my opinions and observations.
You don't like them, fair enough.

a reply to: 35Foxtrot
I am critical about people like Dolores Cahill and I am critical aboout those who promote vaccines.
I am not afraid aboud short term side efects (let's say 6 months). I am afraid of long term side effect because litterally every doctor is saying 'I don't know for sure what will happen in the long run' ... I know: in the long run we are all death but that is not what I mean. I am not afraid for myself (60 years old) ... I don't want to end in a care home ... becoming a kind of 'death walker' ... So I hope I will be gone before that happens and I hope to have the courage and the chance to not let it happen ... this last thing I am not going to explain (I' m not the most healthy person in the world so my future don't look bright.)
I am afraid for my daughter. 35 years old. My superstar. Beautifull woman. A perfect mother for our two granddauchters.
They make my life worth living.
My daughter works in a hospital. She has no choice. She must take the vaccine. They strongly encourage it. In other words 'take the vaccine or you will be on our list, so chances are real you will soon loose your job'. I know a lot about vaccines ... and there is a lot I don't know about. But if you take the graphics about auto immune diseases of the last years, you see a rise I can't explain. Environmental factors? Are you kidding me?

a reply to: zandra

I would rather take my chances, if I get Covid 19 I get it and probably get well with a natural immunity from what then amount's to a natural inoculation the hard way which is why I do not see the logic or the reason financially to waste money on inoculating people that have already had and recovered from Covid 19 (long Covid not withstanding they DO need something to boost there immune system but I don't think the vaccine is the way to go rather they need blood serum made from other people that have recovered from the Covid to help them fight it off).

It makes no biological sense to vaccinate someone that already has an immunity UNLESS that is not the sole or real reason for this mass vaccination program.

I have decided I am not going to let them use me for there bloody experiment or politically motivated and potentially genetically damaging program.


Common sense, it will cause mothers to reject the baby in there womb, why and how, the treatment alters there DNA to produce a spike protein that some strains of the virus set to soon become the dominant and trigger another wave of Covid 19 have already lost, this spike protein will give you immunity by triggering your immune system but it may lead to your immune system going into over drive and even attacking your own body in many cases, it will also almost definitely be a genetic modification passed onto the mother's child in the womb and if the baby's body then starts to produce the spike protein which it almost definitely will then the mothers body has an odd's on probability of rejecting the foetus resulting in a miscarriage as her immune system reacts to it, very similar to the situation that arises when a rhesus negative mother conceives a child by a rhesus positive father, the child then may inherit the fathers blood group and the rhesus factor in it's blood, this in turn causes the rhesus negative mother's body to sometimes, about more than half the time to reject the infant unless she receives specialist immune suppressants to prevent her body rejecting the baby in her womb.

The genetic tampering is also INSANE, it can cause us to develop mutations in our cell's and also to potentially trigger tumours.

Blood clotting, bell's palsy is a good indicator that this is far more common than they are admitting as it is indicative of oxygen starvation caused by blood clots on a smaller scale blocking the tiny blood vessels in parts of the brain and causing an affect very similar to a mini stroke.

But lets' be fair the elite have been crying that there are too many people in the world for decades now and wanting to cull the human population, even that Bill Gates guy whom is a new member of the elite and likely to have his kid's lose there lives once he passes away as the OLD elite then decide to take over what he has built up has been accused of illegally sterilizing African woman and Indian (Asia) woman with compounds hidden within vaccines distributed by the gates foundation.

Seriously do we trust our government's, or our CORPORATE owned and funded scientific community any longer because if truth be told we really should not.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I think I'd rather trust qualified medical professionals rather than some random stranger on a website that has no clue.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LABTECH767

I think I'd rather trust qualified medical professionals rather than some random stranger on a website that has no clue.

I am a trained laboratory technician and an electronic engineer though I did not do that for a career due to having suffered head injury's while I was on my degree course, I worked in industry for most of my life having started working before I was even over my head injury's and then in Security.

To be frank mate you are wrong in my opinion with that attitude and I was not giving you advice.

Do NOT try to assassinate another's point of view, you want to jump of that cliff go ahead and do so, you want to be a lemming and do what you are told when they tell you to go into the shower block go ahead that is your choice.

originally posted by: zandra
a reply to: 35Foxtrot

My daughter works in a hospital. She has no choice. She must take the vaccine.

My doctor at the VA hospital I go to told me a couple weeks ago that the head of the Veteran's Administration has said their policy is going to be not to force any of their employees to get this vaccine. I applaud that decision.

The vaccine doesn't really "stop" infection. It's just supposed to make it less severe so a person isn't hospitalized.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LABTECH767

I think I'd rather trust qualified medical professionals rather than some random stranger on a website that has no clue.

I am a trained laboratory technician and an electronic engineer though I did not do that for a career due to having suffered head injury's while I was on my degree course, I worked in industry for most of my life having started working before I was even over my head injury's and then in Security.

To be frank mate you are wrong in my opinion with that attitude and I was not giving you advice.

Do NOT try to assassinate another's point of view, you want to jump of that cliff go ahead and do so, you want to be a lemming and do what you are told when they tell you to go into the shower block go ahead that is your choice.

I referred to qualified medical professionals. Not "trained Laboratory Technician"s, whatever that might be.

Not a lemming and not gullible, either. Unlike some on here....

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

And what exactly is a qualified medical professional these day's (oh don't get me wrong I trust my doctor but half the time they resort to looking up from a database online these days and picking the computers suggested treatment's which is excellent if it correctly removes those to which a patient may have adverse affects but still not as good as an old fashioned doctor whom TRULY knew his stuff).


During the brain drain we lost most of our REAL doctors to the States and the colonies, most of those we have today are junior doctors just looking to emigrate and foreign doctors whose qualifications look good on paper but whom often lack the quality of excellence we USED to have in this country.

Most of those so called PAID experts are in the pay of there corporate overlords or just mouth pieces for political choices.

And then they are not even the A grade we used to have but the B- compared to those experts we lost to overseas.

We lost during the brain drain the best lecturers, the best professors and the best doctors as well as the best architects and engineers, indeed everything that once made us the cutting edge of world science and medicine.

So come off it and stop playing the bloody fool are you and idiot because you sound like one, medical professionals indeed.

Are big pharmaceutical company's what you call medical professionals.

They are only in it for the profit or did you now know that, your health or rather treatment for your ailments especially recurring ones is a big money spinner and they make more money out of NOT curing cancer but treating it, NOT curing a plethora of other disease but treating them.

Why do you think there word is trust worthy???.


Honestly it boggles the mind.


Lets take at how those professionals are often wrong and are actually controlled, this is just to make you think and perhaps open that stubborn mind of yours a little to let some light in.
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a reply to: LABTECH767

There is the MHRA who vetted our vaccines who I believe are more regulated and qualified than Whoo Whoo merchants pushing insane anti vax agendas on conspiracy websites.

So, are you a qualified medical labtech or what?

Your source is a little... Dubious?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

And what may I ask are your credential's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

58 year old Solicitor and Officer of the Supreme Court of England and Wales.
Many years experience of clinical negligence claims. So were you a medical Lab Tech or just in charge of the Bunsen Burners. Mate?

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

And what may I ask are your credential's.

Your credentials?

a reply to: LABTECH767

Hello?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Just out of curiosity are you staring yourself, OldCarpy and OldCarpy 2?.

a reply to: LABTECH767

No. I had to rejoin cos I changed email address and couldn't access my old account hence the "2". Not really bothered about stars.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Neither am I that is in my opinion all just for kid's, I prefer substance over populism.

I understand since I must have about five or six old Email Address I did not use for so long I forgot there passwords, not a problem since they were only used for social circle and not for banking or anything financially related, in fact I steer well clear of using Emails and all form's of online financial transactions since I still do not trust the medium enough for such actions.

It is problematic when it is linked to other passwords though and you get a confirmation email to a forgotten email address so can not actually verify it because of this.

Though I accept as fact your denial there are those whom do and it can be damned funny sometimes.

As for that and in that general vein of thought there is an over reliance by consumers on Staring of products in reviews when in fact unless the reviewer is completely unbiased there is a very strong potential for influencers to be at play in pushing there products and even putting down competing products.

a reply to: LABTECH767

True. I stayed at a lovely Devon pub and someone left a bad review complaining about a run of gloss paint. Behind a radiator!