US military cites rising risk of Chinese move against Taiwan

Even though I understand this is likely just back and forth diplomatic BS from both sides, it does show for every action there is going to be an opposite reaction. I don't trust China I don't trust our military leaders I don't trust our political leaders. As blunderful as the Biden/Harris Administration is domestically already I can't see them performing any better on the world stage. I can see them taking advantage of Biden even if he had his mental faculties in any negotiations publically or through the back channels.

apnews.com...

The American military is warning that China is probably accelerating its timetable for capturing control of Taiwan, the island democracy that has been the chief source of tension between Washington and Beijing for decades and is widely seen as the most likely trigger for a potentially catastrophic U.S.-China war.

The worry about Taiwan comes as China wields new strength from years of military buildup. It has become more aggressive with Taiwan and more assertive in sovereignty disputes in the South China Sea. Beijing also has become more confrontational with Washington; senior Chinese officials traded sharp and unusually public barbs with Secretary of State Antony Blinken in talks in Alaska last month.

Comments from another AP Article about the Alaska meeting..

apnews.com...

Top U.S. and Chinese officials offered sharply different views of each other and the world on Thursday as the two sides met face-to-face for the first time since President Joe Biden took office.

In unusually pointed public remarks for a staid diplomatic meeting, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Communist Party foreign affairs chief Yang Jiechi took aim at each other’s country’s policies at the start of two days of talks in Alaska. The contentious tone of their public comments suggested the private discussions would be even more rocky.

The meetings in Anchorage were a new test in increasingly troubled relations between the two countries, which are at odds over a range of issues from trade to human rights in Tibet, Hong Kong and China’s western Xinjiang region, as well as over Taiwan, China’s assertiveness in the South China Sea and the coronavirus pandemic.


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And yet we just keep literally shoveling money at the Chinese. I guess when we finally enrich them enough to surpass or military then they will smash us to pieces and set up shop on what's left.

Then the American people can find out what slavery really is.

Alot of escalation going on...

Rabo: There Is Strangely Little Coverage Of The Major Russian Military Mobilization Underway

For a Western media that for years has had Russia front and center as *the* threat to democracy, there is strangely little coverage of the major Russian military mobilization currently underway. 20,000 men, tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery have been moved to the border with Ukraine, and Russia is beginning combat readiness tests in all its military districts.

This all looks very ‘Russian’ in one sense: a conspiracy theory, which Russians have long loved and, ironically, Americans now do too. Yet *imagine* if Russia bifurcated Ukraine to the Dnieper and/or the Black Sea coast to Transnistria, as some mutter. Rump Ukraine would not be a state that would worry it, in or out of NATO. Russia would control the northern Black Sea. And if further US sanctions followed, a new FX channel to circumvent them would now be available – though USD-centric oligarchs would be far from happy, which is some hope to cling to. In short, against broad recognition that the post-WW2 global architecture is under huge strain, even small incidents can rapidly snowball into epoch-defining/creating ones.

Again, let me reiterate that this isn’t a forecast, and that “We want the best”: but in a throw-back to the Cold War, and 1980, the US is now looking for allies to boycott the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics together with it: Beijing has made clear this will produce an aggressive economic response, so it’s probably not just the figure-skaters on thin ice. The US and Japan have also agreed to fund an alternative to China’s Belt and Road in Asia: “One Belt, One Road?” as I asked years ago: no, now two, and Build Back Better (Than Them).

Anyway, Bloomberg tells me that despite what Jim from the Royle Family would dub “Credit Swizz” in the background, market risk appetite is returning. Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

Russia + Ukraine
China + Taiwan
Israel + Iran
All at the same time. Biden sitting/sleeping this one out.?

a reply to: putnam6

This is the fall-out of DNI and GOP letting Democrats totally corrupt their way thru elections, and establishing the most dysfunctional government in the US history, and the world history since Weimar Republic.

We are going to see major US adversaries taking now full use of the situation, and ramping up strategic moves already early now, in order to take the lead and control, and push events into development beyond the capability of the US administration to coordinate, act and let alone device a strategy and vision. Both the Russians and the Chinese will exploit the corrupted incompetent US leadership to the full during these 4 years, and there is not much US can oppose in this.

When this is finished: Hongkong -gone. Taiwan - gone. Eastern Ukraine - gone. White Russia - gone. Moldavia - gone. Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaizan - all gone. South China sea = Chinese Sea. Major territories in the Philippines is lost to China. ISIS will be back in Africa. Iran takes leading role in Iraq and Syria - in their daily business. China moves forward in Africa and South America.

While USA will be decimated financially and will be impotent militarily.

Hell on Earth that is.

a reply to: putnam6

Expat here. China has a victim mentality regarding the West.

It absolutely will not strike first as that would mean it being an aggressors rather than a victim.

Everything that China is doing is a response to something that the US or Taiwan has done. They are merely reacting to things like US arms sales. Or the US holding military maneuvers.

If Taiwan does not declare independence there will be no war.

If America doesn't fire first there will be no war.

Imagine what Washington would do if Russia sold state of the art anti aircraft systems to Cuba. Well that's more or less what the US is doing with Taiwan.

a reply to: putnam6

Expat here. China has a victim mentality regarding the West.

It absolutely will not strike first as that would mean it being an aggressors rather than a victim.

Everything that China is doing is a response to something that the US or Taiwan has done. They are merely reacting to things like US arms sales. Or the US holding military maneuvers.

If Taiwan does not declare independence there will be no war.

If America doesn't fire first there will be no war.

Imagine what Washington would do if Russia sold state of the art anti aircraft systems to Cuba. Well that's more or less what the US is doing with Taiwan.

originally posted by: caterpillage
And yet we just keep literally shoveling money at the Chinese. I guess when we finally enrich them enough to surpass or military then they will smash us to pieces and set up shop on what's left.

Then the American people can find out what slavery really is.

It's called Capitalism. China is supplying a US demand.

Capitalism is literally the opposite of slavery, at least according to Ben Shapiro.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: putnam6

Expat here. China has a victim mentality regarding the West.

It absolutely will not strike first as that would mean it being an aggressors rather than a victim.

Everything that China is doing is a response to something that the US or Taiwan has done. They are merely reacting to things like US arms sales. Or the US holding military maneuvers.

If Taiwan does not declare independence there will be no war.

If America doesn't fire first there will be no war.

Imagine what Washington would do if Russia sold state of the art anti aircraft systems to Cuba. Well that's more or less what the US is doing with Taiwan.

Save some kool-aid for the rest of us yo!

The potential for a move on Tiawan by China is always there. It will increase as China looks to centralise nationalism. If the ruling Chinese communist dictatorship has some internal troubles then you can be sure Tiawan would be a card to pull from the pack.

China has always been belligerent and antagonistic towards Tiawan. It will not take much for them to seize an island or two, or just start causing instability.

The calculation China will need to make is how will the rest of the world respond? Mainland Tiawan (the island) would be a difficult place to invade even without reinforcements, and reinforcements would come. The economic implications on China would be dire too as access to lucrative Western markets would cease.

last night we had five US military jets fly over Shimane prefecture.

not sure if training exercise for Iwakuni base.

a reply to: putnam6

China more arrogant than ever since Trump is gone but Taiwan sounds fearless, they might have a surprise.

"We are willing to defend ourselves, that's without any question," Taiwanese foreign minister Joseph Wu said, according to the AP.

"We fill fight a war if we need to fight a war, and if we need to defend ourselves to the very last day, then we will defend ourselves to the very last day," he added.

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originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: putnam6

China more arrogant than ever since Trump is gone but Taiwan sounds fearless, they might have a surprise.

"We are willing to defend ourselves, that's without any question," Taiwanese foreign minister Joseph Wu said, according to the AP.

"We fill fight a war if we need to fight a war, and if we need to defend ourselves to the very last day, then we will defend ourselves to the very last day," he added.

www.msn.com... fp8kV?ocid=msedgntp

This was to be expected and I saw this a long ways off.

If Trump has lost, watch China become more emboldened.

Trump acts, Biden flaps.

This is one of many distinctions between the two.

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
Alot of escalation going on...

Rabo: There Is Strangely Little Coverage Of The Major Russian Military Mobilization Underway

For a Western media that for years has had Russia front and center as *the* threat to democracy, there is strangely little coverage of the major Russian military mobilization currently underway. 20,000 men, tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery have been moved to the border with Ukraine, and Russia is beginning combat readiness tests in all its military districts.

This all looks very ‘Russian’ in one sense: a conspiracy theory, which Russians have long loved and, ironically, Americans now do too. Yet *imagine* if Russia bifurcated Ukraine to the Dnieper and/or the Black Sea coast to Transnistria, as some mutter. Rump Ukraine would not be a state that would worry it, in or out of NATO. Russia would control the northern Black Sea. And if further US sanctions followed, a new FX channel to circumvent them would now be available – though USD-centric oligarchs would be far from happy, which is some hope to cling to. In short, against broad recognition that the post-WW2 global architecture is under huge strain, even small incidents can rapidly snowball into epoch-defining/creating ones.

Again, let me reiterate that this isn’t a forecast, and that “We want the best”: but in a throw-back to the Cold War, and 1980, the US is now looking for allies to boycott the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics together with it: Beijing has made clear this will produce an aggressive economic response, so it’s probably not just the figure-skaters on thin ice. The US and Japan have also agreed to fund an alternative to China’s Belt and Road in Asia: “One Belt, One Road?” as I asked years ago: no, now two, and Build Back Better (Than Them).

Anyway, Bloomberg tells me that despite what Jim from the Royle Family would dub “Credit Swizz” in the background, market risk appetite is returning. Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

Russia + Ukraine
China + Taiwan
Israel + Iran
All at the same time. Biden sitting/sleeping this one out.?

I know part of me wants to think it's nothing but then it might be something after all

Let me ask a couple of very important questions:-
1. Is Taiwan an American state.
2. Is Ukraine an American state.
Answers NO, NO, NO. So keep your hands in your pockets and leave well alone. They have nothing to do with the US so stop your military from trying to ferment a war with anybody. See to your own country for a change.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Let me ask a couple of very important questions:-
1. Is Taiwan an American state.
2. Is Ukraine an American state.
Answers NO, NO, NO. So keep your hands in your pockets and leave well alone. They have nothing to do with the US so stop your military from trying to ferment a war with anybody. See to your own country for a change.

I think it's little more complicated than that.

It's about the repercussions.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Let me ask a couple of very important questions:-
1. Is Taiwan an American state.
2. Is Ukraine an American state.
Answers NO, NO, NO. So keep your hands in your pockets and leave well alone. They have nothing to do with the US so stop your military from trying to ferment a war with anybody. See to your own country for a change.

Geo-Political Ignorance is defined in this post by crazyzeed, you do yourself a disservice.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: putnam6

Expat here. China has a victim mentality regarding the West.

It absolutely will not strike first as that would mean it being an aggressors rather than a victim.

Everything that China is doing is a response to something that the US or Taiwan has done. They are merely reacting to things like US arms sales. Or the US holding military maneuvers.

If Taiwan does not declare independence there will be no war.

If America doesn't fire first there will be no war.

Imagine what Washington would do if Russia sold state of the art anti aircraft systems to Cuba. Well that's more or less what the US is doing with Taiwan.

Do you even know what the Alaska Talks were about?

You act like the US economy and more specifically our consumerism will be enough to satiate China's need for global expansion. While it may not affect you personally right now.

No doubt they got plans for Australia and Africa, where rumors persist they love the destabilization by of the growth of ISIS in Africa.

It doesn't matter if China does or doesn't immediately make a move on Taiwan. Just the threat is enough especially with a wet dishrag as President, and it leads to their expansion and influence elsewhere. China needs an America with a thriving economy we are far from that. Throw in Build Back Better doesn't include Beijing, Hell China doesn't have to outright attack Taiwan they can afford to play the long game and just sit back and wait and destabilized in other areas and methods.

Reminds me of a microcosm of this in my industry, for years China has been knocking off all kinds of products, but our industry leaders decided to hound our government to curtail this get them to shut down knock-off websites selling directly to the consumer using proprietary images designs and even fabrics. It shut down thousands of sites but they still pop up. In the meantime, China just set up real companies that now compete by selling directly to the retail stores. The product is very good and prices are less than what the same quality they send to American companies.

So much so you can't blame retail stores for buying it. When China gets curtailed they just attack through other means, now our industry once a 90 billion dollar industry struggles, and now our stores desperate for new merchandise but at great prices are more and more forgoing American companies and buying direct. In this economy and situation losing 10% is bad enough, some estimates have it at 20% and climbing. So buy elsewhere right? well just so happens the industry was doing that by educating and training workers and building factories elsewhere. Guess where one of the bigger projects to do this was occurring in? Myanmar...

originally posted by: crayzeed
Let me ask a couple of very important questions:-
1. Is Taiwan an American state.
2. Is Ukraine an American state.
Answers NO, NO, NO. So keep your hands in your pockets and leave well alone. They have nothing to do with the US so stop your military from trying to ferment a war with anybody. See to your own country for a change.

No but Taiwan has been an ally ever since they fled the communist takeover of China. This is where the chinese government moved to 1.2 million fled there to avoid the communists. Taiwan was a huge asset during the Korean war as well. And today they rank number 6 as far as trading partners. So its not in the US intrest to just allow China to attack Taiwan. Sice 1949 they called themselves the republic of china. The last free area of China really so you think its ok to just allow China to take over anything they want to? because they are currently in border disputes with China has disputes with Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Singapore,India, Brunei, Nepal, Bhutan, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar and Tibet and Russia. And this is a major destaboilizing factor in Asia as China bullies its neighbors.

Amazing What an Election will do ....

We Will Sink Your Ships: China's Plan in Case of War at Sea

.....China’s reason for expansion south and east into the South China Sea—one of the world’s busiest and most important conduits for maritime shipping, not to mention an area rich in mineral and energy wealth—rests on being able to deny adversaries like the United States access to the region. Basing H-6 bombers in the region is a strong deterrent message, especially when the long-range strategic bombers are equipped with the YJ-12 anti-ship missile. It’s part of a larger trend of military exercises and preparation for conflict that China is taking seriously. Enemies beware.

a reply to: dragonridr

It's either going to be Taiwan or a South China Sea incident that'll bring our two Nations to war, this has been in the making since China took advantage of the Corporate Monies and actually using it to build up domestically.

How funny that Americans fund two war machines, Americas and Chinas 🤫🤫🤫