The Chosen-An actual conspiracy

originally posted by: Madrusa

Yah was an obscure Deity in early Dynastic Egypt but became more popular under Hyksos influence, indicating that his origins were likely from the Sinai region originally were his name does not simply indicate Moon but rather the Proto-Semitic verb *(h-w-y) meaning “to be”

Why would an Egyptian God help Moses out of Egypt? It is said that the God of Moses proved the inadequacy of the Egyptian gods.

Khonsu in terms of the Crescent Moon was represented as a child with the Egyptian side-locks, such as the manifestation of Yah as a child to Moses, a principle aspect was that of the traveller and pathfinder given the Moons traversing of the skies, a suitable God to lead an Exodus, he was also a marker of time and thus the duration of any such journey would have significance, his mode of travel was to be carried within an Ark.

There are much more powerful gods of Egypt though, according to Egyptians. this one you refer to would not have been able to prevail against the entirety of the rest of the Egyptian gods to allow the Exodus.

The theory doesn't fit

a reply to: Madrusa
Ahh, but WHICH books? There are many, but the majority adhere to one and reject the rest. And even then they cherry pick verses to suit their own views.

a reply to: cooperton

Would the God Seth help Moses if he was a Sethian, as were the Hkysos and Habiru, and did Seth not steal the eye of Horus which was the Moon?

There are a number of depictions of the restoration of the eye in Greco-Roman temples. Thoth is assisted by fourteen gods including the gods of the Ennead of Hermopolis or thirty male deities Each god represented one of the fifteen days leading up to the full moon, and to the waning moon. The restored eye became emblematic of the re-establishment of order from chaos

a reply to: lakenheath24

You mentioned a couple which i assumed were the Old and New Testament compilations, they are in general agreement and derive from what was considered an extended family tradition, so the question again is what was the purpose of those books and did they know what they were doing?

a reply to: Madrusa


I think the "angels" were not of earth and came down and shagged human women. Which possibly changed our DNA to what we have today? Lord knows humans are not of this planet the way we act.

a reply to: lakenheath24

Well that is were the chosen is first mentioned, so the original concept of the chosen were those women and their descendants, and it was the Sons of God that did the choosing, all of which Israel was generally against, in effect they chose themselves as a counter narrative against the chosen.

the an-tediluvian sages, the Mesopotamian apkallus were demonized as the “sons of God”, and their sons Nephilim
who in later Enochic literature appear as Watchers and giants, illegitimate teachers of mankind before the flood

The Book of Watchers reconciles these two differ-ent adaptations by making Enoch in every respect superior to the Watchers.In so doing, the Jewish authors wanted to depict their national hero as superior to the champions of foreign wisdom

Ante-Diluvian origins of evil

If those Sona of God were to return who would they consider the Chosen?

a reply to: Madrusa

If those Sons of God were to return who would they consider the Chosen?

Widely known but seldom said these days. Except for those false claims made by pretenders, only a few brave souls seem to mention it, must be all the cancel culture or something idk.

The Hindu would recognize these principles as relating to Agni or Shiva, Kama or even Vishnu, and would struggle to understand why they shouldn't be chosen as devotees of such cults, and with good reason, they were introduced by the Vedic Aryans a branch of which developed the Fire cults of Iran, perhaps it's all a question of knowledge falling into the wrong hands.

All I can really add to it not being Hindus, is it's not Jews either and see above.

originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: cooperton

Would the God Seth help Moses if he was a Sethian, as were the Hkysos and Habiru, and did Seth not steal the eye of Horus which was the Moon?

The fact that there was any help whatsoever proves the validity of the God, right? And if this God of the Exodus was capable of allowing an enslaved culture to escape on foot from the Egyptian's trained war chariots... would this not prove this God is Most High of all the Gods of Egypt?

what was the purpose of those books and did they know what they were doing?

To commemorate the God that can liberate us from the slavery of the material world. What's your beef with Judeo-Christianity?

a reply to: primalfractal

What happens if one group is seemingly chosen over another, might not that generate resentment and hatred even to the extent of wishing to destroy them, and the entire basis of that wishing to be the chosen themselves, if a man chooses a wife and comes home to find her murdered by another woman who has inserted herself into his bed what would the reaction be?

It all goes back to original Divine choice as manifest through those who are demonstrably the most blessed and therefore the most resented, literary claims of well actually he chose me amount to nothing, the deciding factor the return of the one(s) that did the choosing, there is no happy ending for false Brides particularly when they have lost all allure.

I said this was simple, the sort of thing you should figure out the first day in the playground.

a reply to: cooperton

Not if the God was Seth, he'd simply make the whole thing up as a trickster, reverse the roles so that the baddies appear as the goodies, were the supposedly enslaved were actually invading oppressors and the expulsion was in fact a victory for the Egyptians, i mean that is certainly a valid God that should be taken seriously but i'm not going to believe a word of it.

a reply to: Madrusa

What happens if one group is seemingly chosen over another, might not that generate resentment and hatred even to the extent of wishing to destroy them, and the entire basis of that wishing to be the chosen themselves, if a man chooses a wife and comes home to find her murdered by another woman who has inserted herself into his bed what would the reaction be?

Personally I would beat her to death, if there wasn't a knife handy.

It all goes back to original Divine choice as manifest through those who are demonstrably the most blessed

Guess the opposite of this could also be valid - false divine Choice proven by those who are demonstrably the worst people.

the deciding factor the return of the one(s) that did the choosing, there is no happy ending for false Brides particularly when they have lost all allure.

This would actually be super cool, false brides deserving what they get, and the state of the world being so bad. It would be hilarious if a "higher power" returned to Earth and all the smug deviant fools running the place put out the red carpets expecting to be treated as long lost children, and instead were shot with advanced high tech weaponry for ruining the joint and being a$$ holes. Divine justice. The last thing TPTB could be accused of is caretaking.

a reply to: Madrusa

Tell me again what the specific conspiracy is?

We already know that religions of all kinds have certain aspects that were copied from others. The Bible even tells us that both the ancient Jews and early Christians had a bad habit of trying to combine the tenants of their faith with their old pagan practices and were reprimanded. No doubt that other known religions copied some of what came before them.

The first five books of the Old Testament (books of Moses) were written between 1445 bc - 1405 bc. The first documentation regarding the worship of Dionysus were dated in the 1300's bc.

The Chosen in the Bible means many things. Israel and it's people were chosen to record scripture. The line of Jacob (which leads back to Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve) was chosen to be the physical heritage of Jesus. The location and it's people were chosen for learning lessons, future signs, and the fulfillment of prophecy.

The sons of God were those who worshiped the God of Israel. The daughters of men were those who didn't. Back in the day, to keep the religion from being corrupted, it was not advised for Israelites to marry Edomites or Caananites, to mix cultures or religions.

a reply to: primalfractal

That's the funniest story of all, they are actually prepping people to fight the Nazi-Alien alliance, in the Sekret Machine novel for example by Peter Levenda and De Longe anyone who has blue eyes and blonde hair is either a Nazi or sinister Russian, likes to hang out in Antarctica and is in cahoots with a dodgy alien faction, the resistance led by a Jewish inspired multi-ethnic band of fearless social justice warriors working with true American patriots, Independence day all over again, so even if the Gods were to return it is hoped this would see them off, the Odinists and sinister Greys be very afraid, and don't let the Galactic Federation interfere with one's narrative.

Guess the opposite of this could also be valid - false divine Choice proven by those who are demonstrably the worst people.

This is the problem, good people can be somewhat naive when it comes to understanding the intentions of those who aren't, the Mormons being a classic example.

a reply to: Deetermined

The conspiracy is that they neglected to inform you it was a Bacchic cult, maniacal dedication to a Lord that inspires such, or at least the adaptation of the premise towards a binding confederation allied against all others

The first five books of the Old Testament (books of Moses) were written between 1445 bc - 1405 bc.

Few believe that, paleo-Hebrew is only scantily evidenced from the 10th century BC

The Chosen in the Bible means many things.

Not really, only chosen in the sense of a bacchant, wasn't the entire tradition towards love of the Lord?

The sons of God were those who worshiped the God of Israel.

The Bene Elohim were the earlier Pantheon

The phrase bn ilm ("sons of the gods") is also attested in Ugaritic texts,as is the phrase phr bn ilm ("assembly of the sons of the gods")

a reply to: Madrusa

the resistance led by a Jewish inspired multi-ethnic band of fearless social justice warriors

Think the Gods would be pretty safe as long as De Longe didn't get the band back together, that could spell real trouble.

This is the problem, good people can be somewhat naive when it comes to understanding the intentions of those who aren't, the Mormons being a classic example.

Often the way things work out. I think what you said here would work better for this case, and in general than the negative example I gave, if the existing power structure would allow such demonstration and didn't forcefully control narrative.

It all goes back to original Divine choice as manifest through those who are demonstrably the most blessed

A good example being more easily observed by good people, easier than it is to spot a thief or a cheat.

Brings to mind the great debates of old actually, doesn't seem like we have progressed since then, the opposite actually.

Adi Shankara debated with the Buddhist scholars of his day, which was at least a 1000 years after Buddha’s time. By Shankara’s time, Buddhist philosophy had undergone extensive changes. So we cannot be entirely sure what were the points of disagreement and debate. But the gist of it is that Adi Shankara successfully proved the logical fallacy of not having a universal ultimate “observer” reality, and also strengthened the Vedic emphasis on deep subjective experience of this ultimate reality. As a result of his efforts, the majority opinion about Buddhism’s conclusions weakened.

a reply to: Madrusa

Regardless of what you believe regarding faith or religion, good and evil can not co-exist together forever, including people. One will eventually overcome the other. There will always be an enemy and a battle until the last man and/or God is standing. In the end, life itself demands justice against it's enemies. So, it's only natural for a people, religion and it's God to demand an allegiance to each other.

a reply to: Madrusa

True, but the Hebrew God may have more Sumerian/Babylon origins then Egyptian. While Yah became replaced or is basically an early rendition of Osiris, along with Horus, in cases of him being depicted with a head of falcon, then later Thoth. Much like how Ra becomes replaced with Osiris then Horus.

Also, the Hebrew god doesnt have any real physical descriptions, an is vaguely described as a humanoid. While theres the burning bush, where Moses feared to see the face of God cause it was said that anyonw who does would be killed.

One of the Patrons of Judaism, Elijah( meaning my God(El) is Yahweh(Jah)) was said to be contending with said believers of Baal. There more then likely is a connection with Jah an Yahweh, but it probably too minute. I think it more of phonetic connection or translation.

However it does somewhat show that the Hebrews do have a connection to ancient Egypt, an some truth to the Exodus. If I remember correctly, one passage describes Satan an God fighting over Moses body. It been hinted that it has something to do with clashing Dynasties.

“And he [Jehovah] continued on to say to me: ‘You will yet see again great detestable things that they are doing.’ So he brought me to the entrance of the gate of the house of Jehovah, which is toward the north, and, look! there the women were sitting, weeping over the god Tammuz.”—Ezekiel 8:13, 14

According to the Babylonians and the Syrians Tammuz was the god of vegetation that grows during the rainy season with its kindly floods and dies during the dry season of southwest Asia. Death of the vegetation pictured the death of Tammuz, and it was his death that was bewailed annually at the time of the greatest heat, by the idolatrous worshipers of Tammuz. At return of the rainy season Tammuz was supposed to return from the Underworld, as symbolized by the growth again of the vegetation. Worship of Tammuz is understood to be one of the oldest forms of false religious worship in human history, and has not altogether disappeared from certain parts of the earth even now.

However, in his book entitled “The Two Babylons” Dr. Alexander Hislop identifies Tammuz with Nimrod, the founder of the city of Babylon, about 180 years after the flood of Noah’s day.

Nimrod was the great-grandson of Noah. According to Genesis 10:1, 6, 8-12, Nimrod became known as “a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah.” According to religious tradition, Nimrod was executed for his rebelliousness against Jehovah, the God of Noah. Nimrod’s followers considered his violent death a tragedy or calamity, and deified him. Annually they memorialized his death on the first or second day of the lunar month Tammuz, when the idolatrous women wept over his idol. So among the ancient classical writers he was given the name Bacchus, which means “Bewept One,” “Lamented One.” This weeping over him corresponds with that carried on over the legendary Adonis, a beautiful youth who was loved by Venus or Ishtar and who was killed by a wild boar in the mountains of Lebanon. In fact, the Latin Vulgate Bible and the English Douay Version Bible use the name Adonis instead of Tammuz in Ezekiel 8:14: “Behold women sat there mourning for Adonis,” or, “Lord.”

The Two Babylons (page 245, footnote) derives the name Tammuz from the words tam (“to make perfect”) and muz (“fire”) so as to mean “Perfecting Fire” or “Fire the Perfecter.” Another derivation gives it the meaning “Hidden” or “Obscure,” and this corresponds with the fact that the worship of the image of Tammuz was carried on in a secret place, as pictured at Ezekiel 8:14.* He was represented by the first letter of his name, which is an ancient tau, that was a cross. The “sign of the cross” was the religious symbol of Tammuz. So there was an attempt to introduce the worship of the idolatrous pagan cross into the temple of Jehovah at Jerusalem. How scandalous it was for those Israelite women, on the pavement of the inner court of Jehovah’s temple, to be religiously weeping over the executional death of Tammuz, in reality over “Nimrod a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah”! (*: Others derive the name Tammuz from the Akkadian word Duzu, which is associated with the Sumerian word Dumuzi, meaning “Faithful son,” or, “Sprouting of life.”)


What today in Christendom, since its founding in the fourth century by Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, derives itself from all religious things having to do with Nimrod alias Tammuz alias Bacchus? Let us bear in mind that “the beginning of his kingdom came to be Babel [or Babylon] and Erech and Accad and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. Out of that land he went forth into Assyria and set himself to building Nineveh and Rehoboth-Ir and Calah and Resen between Nineveh and Calah: this is the great city.” (Genesis 10:10-12) Thus Nimrod was the founder of cities and of political systems of rule, contrary to the will of Jehovah God. All false religion stemmed from Babylon after the flood of the days of Noah. Genesis 10:8, 9 says that “he [Nimrod] displayed himself a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah.”

The term “hunting,” according to the ancient Babylonian and Assyrian custom, was applied not only to hunting for wild animals but also to military campaigns against human creatures as the prey. So Nimrod made himself a shedder of human blood in warfare.

How well these details about Nimrod fit also to Christendom! Like Nimrod, she also has established her own religious systems. These are generally thought of as being in harmony with the Holy Bible of Jehovah but in actuality being in harmony with religious teachings of ancient Babylon, including the adoration of the cross, the symbol of Tammuz. Like Nimrod, Christendom has not confined herself to religion purely; she has mixed herself in worldly politics, setting up, wherever possible, a union of Church and State, with the Church trying to tell the State what to do. She has claimed that her political emperors and kings have ruled “By the grace of God.” Even her bishops, archbishops and popes have been honored with material thrones and are still said to “reign” over their bishoprics and papal sees.

The politicians of this world are given prominent positions and considerations in the church systems. What a contrast this to the example of Jesus Christ, who refused to be made a king on earth by men! To the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, he said: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.” (John 18:36) To the contrary of this, Christendom insists that it is the duty of her church members to engage in politics. At times and in some places, she endeavors to dictate to them as to the political candidates for whom they shall cast their election ballots. Members of her clergy have even acted as political rulers, as president, or prime minister, and so on.

And what about wanton bloodshed as committed by “Nimrod a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah”? Nimrod was merely a small prototype for Christendom! She too has engaged as a “hunter” in military campaigns with carnal weapons. The most sanguinary wars of all human history have been waged by the members of Christendom, between themselves and with the so-called infidels and pagans. All this is not Christlike. It is Babylonish and smacks of Nimrod.

The loss of human lives in these wars has caused untold weeping by the womenfolk of Christendom. Memorial days are held annually when the ones bereaved by war go to the graveyards to decorate the burial plots of their slain warriors. The deaths of the mighty war generals and other high-ranking warlords are mourned by the patriotic, nationalistic* members of Christendom, these being eulogized in the churches in which the funeral services are held. All this in full agreement with the notorious fact that churches have been used as recruiting stations and propaganda centers in times of war. Such connecting up of all these political and military doings with the “house of God” (the Church) in Christendom well reminds us of those Israelite women sitting and weeping over Tammuz inside the inner court of the temple of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah in Ezekiel’s day.

*: Nationalism and religion often go together. Dr. Robert L. Kahn, a rabbi, wrote: “Religion and Nationalism always tend to go hand in hand. In times of war, particularly, . . . ‘For God and Country’ becomes a sort of battle cry. This has always been so. [In World War II] one of the popular songs was the war-whoop of a chaplain, ‘Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.”’

originally posted by: whereislogic
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However, in his book entitled “The Two Babylons” Dr. Alexander Hislop identifies Tammuz with Nimrod, the founder of the city of Babylon, about 180 years after the flood of Noah’s day.

... Annually they memorialized his death on the first or second day of the lunar month Tammuz, when the idolatrous women wept over his idol. So among the ancient classical writers he was given the name Bacchus, which means “Bewept One,” “Lamented One.” ...

The Two Babylons, by Hislop, page 245, says:

The name Tammuz, as applied to Nimrod or Osiris, was equivalent to Alorus, or the “god of fire,” and seems to have been given to him as the great purifier by fire. Tammuz is derived from tam, “to make perfect,” and muz, “fire,” and signifies “Fire the perfecter,” or “the perfecting fire.” To this meaning of the name, as well as to the character of Nimrod as the Father of the gods, the Zoroastrian verse alludes when it says: “All things are the progeny of ONE FIRE. The FATHER perfected all things, and delivered them to the second mind, whom all nations of men call the first.” . . . And hence, too, no doubt, the necessity of the fire of Purgatory to “perfect” men’s souls at last, and to purge away all the sins that they have carried with them into the unseen world.

Further, on Tammuz, Hislop adds, on pages 21, 22:

In scripture he is referred to (Ezekiel 8:14) under the name of Tammuz, but he is commonly known among classical writers under the name of Bacchus, that is, “The Lamented One.” To the ordinary reader the name of Bacchus suggests nothing more than revelry and drunkenness, but it is now well known, that amid all the abominations that attended his orgies, their grand design was professedly “the purification of souls,” and that from the guilt and defilement of sin. This lamented one, exhibited and adored as a little child in his mother’s arms, . . .

Among the Babylonians an upright cross was a sacred symbol. As in the Hebrew alphabet, such a cross was the original form of their letter T (or Taw), and so it was the initial letter of the name of their god Tammuz, or Bacchus. The cross was worshiped centuries before the so-called Christian era. That this worship spread from Babylon is noted by archaeologist V. Gordon Childe:

A ‘seal’ from Mohenjodaro depicts a horned deity with three faces sitting crosslegged in the attitude of ritual meditation between various wild animals; he is obviously the prototype of Siva, ‘three-faced,’ ‘lord of beasts,’ ‘prince of yogis,’ . . . Several clay tablets depict a male deity; one shows a river gushing out of a goddess’s womb. . . . The swastika and the cross, common on stamps and plaques, were religious or magical symbols as in Babylonia and Elam in the earliest prehistoric period, but preserve that character also in modern India as elsewhere. (New Light on the Most Ancient East, edition of 1953, pages 184, 185, in chapter IX entitled “Indian Civilization in the Third Millennium B.C.”)

Says The Two Babylons (Hislop), on pages 199, 204, 205, regarding the cross:

It was worshipped in Mexico for ages before the Roman Catholic missionaries set foot there, large stone crosses being erected probably to the “god of rain.” The cross thus widely worshipped, or regarded as a sacred emblem, was the unequivocal symbol of Bacchus, the Babylonian Messiah, for he was represented with a head-band covered with crosses* . . . This symbol of the Babylonian god is reverenced at this day in all the wide wastes of Tartary [Asian and European location of Tatars], where Buddhism prevails, and the way in which it is represented among them forms a striking commentary on the language applied by Rome to the Cross. “The cross,” says Colonel Wilford, in the Asiatic Researches, “though not an object of worship among the Baud’has or Buddhists, is a favourite emblem and device among them. . . . [in Christendom] the Tau, the sign of the cross, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah, was everywhere substituted in its stead [in the stead of the Greek Letter Chi or X as in Christós]. . . . ”

*: there's a picture of this head-band in the videos in my previous comment.

Doubtless, the cross was sacred as a symbol among those apostate Jewish women who polluted Jehovah’s temple by sitting there and weeping over the Babylonian Bacchus,* the god Tammuz. These women were, in effect, bewailing the death of the mighty hunter Nimrod, the founder of Babylon, who no doubt met a violent death because he was guilty of violence toward man and beasts. (Gen. 10:8-10; 9:6) Whereas those Jewish women were indirectly worshiping the sun-god in the same way that Babylonian women did, the prophet Ezekiel saw men performing direct worship of the sun at Solomon’s temple in Jerusalem.—Ezek. 8:16. (*: In Hebrew the word for the verb “to weep” is bakhah (בכה), as in Ezekiel 8:14.)

Nimrod was the father of violence after the Flood. He not only killed animals in wanton slaughter, but he also hunted men and taught others to hunt and slaughter men. So the worship of Nimrod as the god Tammuz or Bacchus would naturally cause these people to act like Nimrod, since it is a principle that a person imitates the god he worships, and takes on the qualities, good or bad, attributed to that god. (Rom. 1:22-28; John 8:44; 1 Cor. 11:1; Rom. 12:2; Eph. 4:22-24; Gal. 5:22, 23) The Babylonians also supported Nimrod-like violence by their belief that life in the cavernous Aralu, their supposed abode of the dead, was more tolerable for soldiers than for the rest of mankind.* And the god Bacchus is even today a symbol of wanton revelry. Cross-represented Nimrod worship could produce nothing else but violence and debauchery throughout the land. (*: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, edition of 1955, Volume 1, page 373.)

The debasing and morally filthy Babylonish worship to which the Jews degraded brought in many loathsome diseases. Where righteousness and law-keeping had resided, murder became a commonplace thing. (Isa. 1:15, 21; Jer. 7:9; Deut. 28:58-61) Hatred and violence were directed especially against those who stood for the worship of Jehovah and for his law. (2 Ki. 24:3, 4; Jer. 26:8; 32:2, 3; 37:15, 16; 38:4) Did God see and care, enough to take action? He said to Ezekiel: “Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it such a light thing to the house of Judah to do the detestable things that they have done here, that they have to fill the land with violence and that they should offend me again, and here they are thrusting out the shoot to my nose?* And I myself also shall act in rage. My eye will not feel sorry, neither shall I feel compassion. And they will certainly call out in my ears with a loud voice, but I shall not hear them.”—Ezek. 8:17, 18. (*: See footnote d on Ezekiel 8:17, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, 1958 edition.)

Religion in Ancient Greece (1953)

... Dionysus, the Roman Bacchus, was one of these, who, as the god of wine and drunkenness, presided over the vineyards. ...

a reply to: whereislogic

You get way ahead of yourself there without establishing the basics, Nimrod is from Sumerian Nim-ru meaning a Panther or Leopard, it was also in that form the constellation Perseus, the dark destroyer and the totemic beast of the champion of Divine order Ninurta.

There were reasons for it's reputation, meteors from the Perseid stream had struck during the Bronze age, Sodom and Gommorah, Sethian Gnostics considered this had been an attack intended to destroy them, the Mesopotamians wished it had, there was no Nimrod only Northern Mesopotamian Dynasties dedicated to Ninurta and the winged Panther, such as Assyria.

A Southern variant of Lagash was Nin-girsu, this combined Ninurta with Dumuzid, the God of the Neo-Sumerian Dynasty that followed the collapse of the Akkadians related to the meteorite impact.

a reply to: whereislogic

This aspect derives from the cult of Ningizida and the Divine child Dumu, a cult of resurrection related to serpents and trees, Dionysus was often seen mounted on a Leopard

Lord with holy dignity, imbued with great savage awesomeness! My king, Ningiszida, imbued with great savage awesomeness! Hero, falcon preying on the gods, my king -- dignified, with sparkling eyes, fully equipped with arrows and quiver, impetuous leopard, murderous, howling dragon.

My young man Damu, let me sail away with you, brother let me sail away with you. Ištar-ān of the bright visage, let me sail away with you,... Nin-ĝišzida , let me sail away with you

This cult more properly relates to vines, serpents, primordial energy, Anu and Venus.

It can of course not be denied that Ninazu and Ningišzida are Sumerian gods, but the evidence suggests that their ophidian traits were developed under the influence of transtigridian religious ideas. In fact, as has been repeatedly shown, a religious interest in snakes in these regions goes back deep into prehistory and through the ages remains quite visible in the iconography of Elam and the Iranian mountains.

Ištaran is the god of Der in the Elamite borderland. Although his three main traits are that of a dying god, an arbitrator and judge, and a chthonic snake god, he is also related with the sky: he is Venus (Ištar-ān) and one of his names is An-gal/Anû rabû "Great An." He appears with the lower body of a winding snake.

Transtigridian Snake Gods.

Ningishzida's journey to the netherworld.

a reply to: primalfractal

Brings to mind the great debates of old actually, doesn't seem like we have progressed since then, the opposite actually.

The last thing they'd want is open and honest debate as to were we're heading and options available, the MSM used so maintain sham debates but they were so boring and false they barely even bother with those anymore.

a reply to: Deetermined

Creation and destruction are Universal constants so evil will never be eradicated, a lot better job could be done of containing and suppressing it though, at present it's almost entirely dominant in terms of politics.

a reply to: Specimen88

Religion in Edom was really straightforward, there was the triple Goddesses Allat, Al'Uzza, Manat, and the son of Allat/Venus Shara, who had the secondary lunar aspects related to growth, it was as simple as the crescent and star.

originally posted by: whereislogic
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And what about wanton bloodshed as committed by “Nimrod a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah”? Nimrod was merely a small prototype for Christendom! She too has engaged as a “hunter” in military campaigns with carnal weapons. The most sanguinary wars of all human history have been waged by the members of Christendom, between themselves and with the so-called infidels and pagans. All this is not Christlike. It is Babylonish and smacks of Nimrod.

The loss of human lives in these wars has caused untold weeping by the womenfolk of Christendom. Memorial days are held annually when the ones bereaved by war go to the graveyards to decorate the burial plots of their slain warriors. The deaths of the mighty war generals and other high-ranking warlords are mourned by the patriotic, nationalistic members of Christendom, these being eulogized in the churches in which the funeral services are held. All this in full agreement with the notorious fact that churches have been used as recruiting stations and propaganda centers in times of war. Such connecting up of all these political and military doings with the “house of God” (the Church) in Christendom well reminds us of those Israelite women sitting and weeping over Tammuz inside the inner court of the temple of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah in Ezekiel’s day.

And whose sign are they weeping over again at these "burial plots" (see bolded part)?