the 800 pound gorilla in the Geatz fiasco

a reply to: network dude

Epstein didn't kill himself.

a reply to: network dude

I bet Matt Gaetz is found guilty before Hunter Biden or Andrew Cuomo...if those two are ever found guilty of anything at all.

a reply to: carewemust
I feel like this one will be a good gauge of how far we've slid, with the "equality" stuff.

Just don't talk about them others....they get a pass.

a reply to: Boadicea

Cheers for the explanation. It's probably the clearest explanation I've seen in regards to how the US system works.

I think there's restritions in place in the US due to victims being underage but the reports in the UK say the investigation into hum has been going on since July 2020 and several witnesses to the trafficking/group sex with minors have given evidence to the FBI stating there were several victims underage who were trafficked by Greenberg.

Greenberg abused his position to make fake IDs and a host of other crimes and introduced the victims to Gaetz so could have done so under false claims they were of legal age.

Gaetzs claims to have audio tapes of blackmail seem like typical Q nonsense and promotion for his upcoming alternative media enterprises - demands FBI release the tapes knowing full well if they exist they can't be released yet, then will use this as 'proof' the FBI/DOJ is corrupt and he's innocent.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Boadicea

Cheers for the explanation. It's probably the clearest explanation I've seen in regards to how the US system works.

Whew! I'm glad I was able to do so.

I think there's restritions in place in the US due to victims being underage but the reports in the UK say the investigation into hum has been going on since July 2020 and several witnesses to the trafficking/group sex with minors have given evidence to the FBI stating there were several victims underage who were trafficked by Greenberg.

I've been trying to track down more on this Greenberg, and some of the best details I've found have come from UK sources! One report I read said that Gaetz came on the FBI's radar even earlier, in 2018, when Gaetz accompanied Greenberg to the ID office. Apparently they left quite a mess, and when cameras were checked, and Greenberg asked about his visit, Greenberg gave up Gaetz right away. It seems that Greenberg was initially arrested in June 2020, but if I'm understanding correctly, the specific girl/incident in question happened in August 2020.

Gaetzs claims to have audio tapes of blackmail seem like typical Q nonsense and promotion for his upcoming alternative media enterprises - demands FBI release the tapes knowing full well if they exist they can't be released yet, then will use this as 'proof' the FBI/DOJ is corrupt and he's innocent.

That part is all very bizarre. But I don't see how Gaetz thinks that's a free pass for him. I initially thought it was Greenberg extorting him to have both their charges dropped. But no... the guy supposedly extorting him has nothing to do with Greenberg. So how did the guy extorting him even know there was an investigation against Gaetz?

As for Greenberg, he's supposedly singing like a canary. Did someone make him a deal? Did they decide Gaetz was the bigger catch? But even that makes no sense to me, because Gaetz is a nobody in the big picture, and Gaetz wasn't the one running this escort #show. From what I've read (and I know this is all still just rumors), they have only one receipt of Matt Gaetz paying his "date." That seems odd to me as well. Only one? If there were only one such direct payment, then I'm suspecting a set up. I can't believe August 2020 was Gaetz' one and only incident, he just paid in a more discreet way the previous times.

I'll try to track down more on this Greenberg dude when I have the time, but there's too much missing info now, and no doubt some misinformation is mixed in with the truth now.

originally posted by: Boadicea
there's too much missing info now, and no doubt some misinformation is mixed in with the truth now.

at this point, it looks like misinformation is the only information we are seeing.

Thanks for digging in on this. it gives me a headache thinking about how screwed up the scenario might actually be.

a reply to: network dude

at this point, it looks like misinformation is the only information we are seeing.

Yeah, I think you could be right. This wasn't leaked for truth. This was leaked to set a narrative before the whole truth can be known. I am assuming (for now) that there is some substance to the claims, some kind of evidence, some truth at the root of it all that is being twisted and spun like wool. But the devil is always in the details.

Thanks for digging in on this. it gives me a headache thinking about how screwed up the scenario might actually be.

You and me both! I've been thinking about how to approach this to make some sense of it all -- because Heaven knows that the news reports are all over the place! -- and I think maybe I need to start by establishing a timeline. If/when I do, I'll make it a new thread. When more details do start coming out, we'll at least have a time frame for perspective. Without the actual docs and evidence being rumored, I don't know what else to do at this point.

a reply to: network dude


what misinformation exactly?

do you think it at possible matt was the leaker? he did leak the extortion plot - he couldn't leak the extortion plot without first reveling the investigation into him.

you agree he leaked the extortion plot, right?

i think he was desperate to get the extortion plot out there so "conspiracists" could throw crap out to see what sticks. get it all nice and muddy. this is what ats does best. what tickles me is conspiracists are having a hard time with this one.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: network dude


what misinformation exactly?

do you think it at possible matt was the leaker? he did leak the extortion plot - he couldn't leak the extortion plot without first reveling the investigation into him.

you agree he leaked the extortion plot, right?

i think he was desperate to get the extortion plot out there so "conspiracists" could throw crap out to see what sticks. get it all nice and muddy. this is what ats does best. what tickles me is conspiracists are having a hard time with this one.

are you aware of the NY Times article that prompted all of this?

We come from the same home town (well, within 10 miles) and I know many people who personally know him. Take this for what it’s worth (not much, as it’s totally hearsay) but no one I know believes it’s possible that Matt was “cavorting” with this 17 year old girl.

And I don’t - for one second - believe he was involved in trafficking. Our town is SMALL (at least when it comes to locals)... I just don’t think that could have been kept quiet. And neither he, nor his family, have ever been in question in anything remotely associated with that kind of behavior.

My personal opinion is that his pal in jail could be being used to set Gaetz up, because Gaetz is a thorn in the side of the leftist leadership.

Again... just my $.02 after talking to some folks back home AND based on what I have personally seen from observing him and his family from pretty close by, for many years.

Yeah the Times, Mail and BBC heave some great investigations revealing the full Greenberg detail; which is what makes me believe there's restrictions in the US: There's a round up here - www.bbc.co.uk...

Greenberg was the main guy in the child prostitution ring abusing his position to trawl ID records for 14 -17 year old girls for sex trafficking but Gaetz is one of many people who played a significant role in by using sugar daddy websites to groom targets for prostitution from 2018 onwards - there's payment and travel reciepts for at least two victims Gaetz paid using two seperate methods (Apple Pay and CashApp) but his main method of payment is alleged to be cash for dozens of adult escorts from 2018 - 2019.

At least one of the prostitutes was under-age (17) but the US press reports I've see seem to misrepresent it as they all were under-age and unlikely Gaetz knew her true age due to Greenberg using fake IDs.

Gaetz's victim and witnesses have testified against him in an Orlando Court case. He has been questioned by the FBI according to his staffers and will be arrested in the next couple of weeks (source may be ex spokesman Luke Ball).

Gaetz and Greenberg accesed the ID system on Sunday April 15 2018 and caught the next day. This was reported to the Secret Service shortly after which grew into the full-blown investigation.
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The above isn't 100% accurate but by taking the independently verrified data from the Orlando Sentinel, Daily Mail, The Times, The Guardian and BBC - including info at least three sources have verified and discounting the more outlandish info or claims only one or two outlets have claimed.

a reply to: bastion

Thank you for the link! I've skimmed it, and it looks like a good job of laying it all out -- background info and all. I'll give it a proper reading in a bit.

I have also wondered about the fake IDs for underage girls, and if Gaetz will be able to say, "How was I supposed to know? They had fake IDs!!!" Maybe that's why he hasn't been arrested yet. Normally, "ignorance is not an excuse under the law," but I believe that's been successfully challenged previously by someone charged with statutory rape by claiming that he was aware of the law, but he was not aware of the girl's age. That would only leave prostitution charges.

Of course, if Gaetz can be proven to be part of creating those fake IDs, then that won't work for him!

a reply to: nicevillegrl

My personal opinion is that his pal in jail could be being used to set Gaetz up, because Gaetz is a thorn in the side of the leftist leadership.

That's a very real possibility -- whether Gaetz is guilty as accused or not. They already got Greenberg for his activities. He could very well be trying to implicate Gaetz for a plea deal. And it's quite possible that someone in the FBI would consider Gaetz a bigger catch than Greenberg. An agent may be itching to make a name for himself, may be looking smear Trump and/or Republicans and/or Trump-Republicans, or may be looking to get Gaetz personally for some reason.

If both are guilty, then both should pay the piper. I wouldn't be happy about Greenberg getting off because he nailed Gaetz. But I'm not prepared to declare Gaetz guilty just yet either. Not nearly enough evidence, and if he's guilty and they've been watching him since 2018, then I don't know why he wasn't arrested already.

Too many questions... not enough answers.

a reply to: Boadicea

An agent may be itching to make a name for himself, may be looking smear Trump and/or Republicans and/or Trump-Republicans, or may be looking to get Gaetz personally for some reason.

I don't know about Greenberg's family but the Gaetz family is very wealthy. This may be where the extortion came in... I am just hypothesizing again... but it seems likely that they could have pressured Greenberg to incriminate Gaetz so that they could extort him. Maybe I am being naive but everything I believe tells me Gaetz wouldn't be involved in something like they're saying.

I could well be wrong but the extortion claims didn't seem very credible to me - though there must be some truth to it due to the seperate ongoing investigation into it but most seem pure fantasy/embelishment.

There's certainly been bent DOJ who've taken bribes in the past and been convicted for it. But in the Tucker interview Gaetz claimed paying the $25m would make Biden pardon him - doesn't someone have to be found guilty in order to be pardoned for crimes? He never denied having sex with the 17 year old, instead he deflected and spoke about a double-date he had with tucker (presumably at a Pizza Express in Woking)

He also claimed the reason for the pardoning was the US would use the money to conduct a super-duper top secret Delta Force extraction of US hostage in Iran despite him being dead.

I can't see any extortionist or secret government arm telling him what their top secret plans are for the extortion money due to the obvious risk of Gaetz making it public and having the plan foiled and hostage executed by Iran - like he did on Fox the other week.

a reply to: nicevillegrl

Unfortunately, Gaetz' reputation precedes him... Unless many many people are outright lying about him, Gaetz has shown himself to be less than a... um... gentleman with women... but adult women. If he can only be directly associated with one underage girl, then I'd be inclined to think there's something off about it. For one, because men like that tend to have a "type" and there's no indication it is teenage girls. But more important, why hasn't he been arrested before now if there is an (unknown) pattern? Perhaps this is a set up. Perhaps he truly did not know her age. I wouldn't expect him to ask for ID -- and even if he did, it was probably fake. So I'm still open to believing that's not true.

The thing about the Swamp is that they like having something to hold over critters' heads. It keeps them in line. With Gaetz' known proclivities, it would be easy enough to tempt him on that level, and add a few more salacious (or criminal) elements, all for their recording and blackmailing/extorting pleasure.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: TheLieWeLive

Considering it's the same 17 year old that lead to Greenberg being charged with sex trafficking of a minor, I'd say she exists.

So what are they waiting on? Arrest Gaetz if there is any proof other than speculation. Him being looked at by the FBI means they are looking at everyone around Greenberg, as well they should.
It is just insane how they plaster “suspected” or “could have” all over the news and then in 6 months this will most likely be old news with nothing coming of it.
I didn’t know who Gaetz was before all of this, sure I’ve seen his picture but not a follower. If he is guilty then he should do the time. I’m just fed up with the finger pointing and accusations and nothing ever comes of it.

He’s a pro Trump conservative who has fought against the tyranny and slime of radical leftists and slimeball Democrat gone communist globalist operatives. Nuff said ?

Totally agree. It seems from “talk” that he was a player, but only in the most typical of “player” ways. And I agree with everything else you said. I was really just meaning that I’ve never heard anything about him preying on underage girls and I would bet money that he wasn’t into “trafficking.” Of course, I could be wrong... that’s been known to happen (my being wrong, that is) once or twice. 😎 But if it’s more than exactly what you outlined, I’d be really shocked.


a reply to: Boadicea

What makes absolutely no sense to me is why McGee and Kent involved Stephen Alford in one of the meetings with Gaetz's father. It appears that he has been convicted on three separate occasions in the past with extortion and fraud and has spent at least 14 years in prison for it.