Johns Hopkins: U.S. Death Rate Remains NORMAL Despite COVID-19

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
More people under age 70 lived, instead of dying due to an accident outside the home. (Lockdowns saved these lives)

How many lives were the Lockdowns responsible for? I know of at least two personally. My Brother in Law from Cancer, because he wasn't on Chemo before the Lockdown, had to wait three months before he could get it. By that time the Cancer spread.

My Nephew. He had Spina Bifida. He had to have regular checkups on his shunt to monitor the pressure. Those were cancelled due to the Lockdown. He passed away from an increase of pressure driving his brain down on to his brain stem.

There's too many variables here to make a defined statement that the Lockdown saved lives.

a reply to: dug88

I trust phage and his info over you and yours.

For the mathematical , scientific mind

What's this do to the narrative ?

What is the chance a COVID-19 test is wrong? What about 97%?

Reported by the New York Times, Global Research and other global media, one of the most widely used test to detect COVID-19 may be so flawed that hundred thousands of COVID-19 positive tests should be declared invalid. The problem has been known for many months but continues.

TGIGF

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thank you for posting this!!

And- we are already in a full-blown dictatorship. Can’t go to work, can’t wear what you want to wear, can’t see the people you want to see, can’t see more than ten people you want to see, can’t stand next to people you want to see, can’t state facts if they conflict what party in power wants you to know, can’t question ANYTHING party in power does, can’t even state an opinion if it’s not approved by party in power...

What does all that describe? It describes a totalitarian regime.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: dug88

Math aside, what was the cause for the increase, birth rates or just population growth in general?

If it was based on births alone, then wouldn't that 3 million be irrelevant?

I was looking into that aspect, I'm sure some of it was legal immigration. Through the first 3 quarters, 571,263 entered and were accepted as part of the population the majority from Asia. That's just legally, conservatively 5000 a month is an ultra-conservative estimate on undocumented would push immigrant additions to over 700,000.

This brings another point how many of the 14 million estimated undocumented immigrants in the US were cataloged as COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Through June 17th Hispanic and Asian deaths accounted for 21.6% of the COVID deaths, at the time 23,000 deaths are 5 times what they were on June 17th 2020.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

People are staying at home more, so there are fewer accidents.

US News


Has any one checked to see if deaths increased due to falls in the home?
Or any of the many causes of deaths at home, including drownings?

Accidents at home should have skyrocketed, since people don't stop having accidents just because they are at home.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

There was increase in Covid19-releated deaths and a decrease in accidental deaths.

More people under age 70 lived, instead of dying due to an accident outside the home. (Lockdowns saved these lives)

More older people with health issues died a few years sooner, due to Covid-19 pushing them over the cliff.

They track those deaths too.

Please show proof of the major decrease in automobile accident deaths or murders or lightning strike deaths.

a reply to: putnam6

This brings another point how many of the 14 million estimated undocumented immigrants in the US were cataloged as COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Through June 17th Hispanic and Asian deaths accounted for 21.6% of the COVID deaths, at the time 23,000 deaths are 5 times what they were on June 17th 2020.

Data for all of 2020, complied from actual death certificates, not daily reporting of deaths, hospitalizations, and tests.

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death rates were highest among non-Hispanic Black persons and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death, and the COVID-19 death rate was highest among Hispanics.

www.cdc.gov...

Black non-hispanics had by far the highest death rate overall. American Indian or Alaska Native, non-Hispanic had the highest COVID death rate.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: putnam6

This brings another point how many of the 14 million estimated undocumented immigrants in the US were cataloged as COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Through June 17th Hispanic and Asian deaths accounted for 21.6% of the COVID deaths, at the time 23,000 deaths are 5 times what they were on June 17th 2020.

Data for all of 2020, complied from death certificates, not daily reporting.

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death rates were highest among non-Hispanic Black persons and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death, and the COVID-19 death rate was highest among Hispanics.

www.cdc.gov...

Black non-hispanics had by far the highest death rate overall. American Indian or Alaska Native, non-Hispanic had the highest COVID death rate.

As usual in your zeal to be correct you totally miss the point of the post. A common tactic no doubt. Nowhere did I say Hispanics or Asians had the most deaths. I used the fact that through the first 3 quarters of 2020 these 2 ethnicities lead the numbers of immigrants. Ergo since they lead in immigration it's logical that perhaps in the undocumented immigrants we have COVID deaths as well as hospitalizations and cases from the undocumented population. Unless you believe that no undocumented persons got sick and died of COVID in 2020.

Has anyone done an accurate "study" on how many "COVID" deaths are actually secondary ?

Like maybe fake bull# stats ?

Like how many "COVID" deaths are phony ? 😃

a reply to: putnam6

Nowhere did I say Hispanics or Asians had the most deaths

I didn't say that you did.

Ergo since they lead in immigration it's logical that perhaps in the undocumented immigrants we have COVID deaths as well as hospitalizations and cases from the undocumented population.

Obviously. So what? My point is that there is now data available, data based on actual certificates of death, not daily reports of tests, hospitalizations, and deaths. No need to speculate. The death rate in 2020 was 15.9% higher than 2019.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: putnam6

Nowhere did I say Hispanics or Asians had the most deaths

I didn't say that you did.

Ergo since they lead in immigration it's logical that perhaps in the undocumented immigrants we have COVID deaths as well as hospitalizations and cases from the undocumented population.

Obviously. So what?

It falls into the category of the percentages of death from the population totals for 2020 and 2019 undocumented aren't included in population totals but it's extemely likely their COVID deaths were

a reply to: putnam6

undocumented aren't included in population totals

You know this how?

3 Pages in, and no one has yet mentioned that one of the largest population cohorts is entering the years in which their rate of death is going to cause a bump in deaths. Yes the baby boomers are starting to die of natural causes. There was probably going to be an increase in deaths even without the pandemic last year and over the next decade or so anyway due to this.

I’ll have to look it back up, but I’ve seen some reports that CDC did something to sour the data mid year that made it impossible to accurately model the pandemics true impact. When I get around to digging in the data not only an I going to look at CDC and NIH data, I’m also going to look at Census, and BLS data. If the health agencies data is right then numbers from census and BLS should match up right?

a reply to: jjkenobi

There was an increase in accidental deaths from 2019 to 2020. A substantial increase. Interestingly, there was a decrease in suicides.

jamanetwork.com...

a reply to: jefwane

Yes the baby boomers are starting to die of natural causes.

16% more than the previous year?

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death rates were highest among non-Hispanic Black persons and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death, and the COVID-19 death rate was highest among Hispanics.

www.cdc.gov...

The data comes from death certificates.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: putnam6

undocumented aren't included in population totals

You know this how?

And you know they are including them how? do you know the definition of undocumented? You believe 14 million undocumented persons are gonna report we are here now add us to your population totals. Any NUMBER high or low is just an estimate. Unless you believe there are no undocumented persons in the US everyone has an SSN and address with the number of occupants of said residence.

and then there is this which further muddies the water..

Trump orders undocumented immigrants excluded from key ...
Search domain www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/21/trump-executive-order-census-undocumented-immigrantswww.theguardian.com... utive-order-census-undocumented-immigrants
Jul 21, 2020Donald Trump signed a memorandum on Tuesday instructing the US Census Bureau to exclude undocumented immigrants from the population totals that determine how many seats in Congress each state gets....

a reply to: putnam6

And you know they are including them how?

I don't know if they are.

do you know the definition of undocumented?

Yes, it means they don't have proper documentation to be in the country legally.

You believe 14 million undocumented persons are gonna report we are here now add us to your population totals.

You seem to know the number. Do you think the CDC doesn't? Do you think they included them in the numbers for 2019 but excluded them in 2020?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: putnam6

And you know they are including them how?

I don't know if they are.

do you know the definition of undocumented?

Yes, it means they don't have proper documentation to be in the country legally.

You believe 14 million undocumented persons are gonna report we are here now add us to your population totals.

You seem to know the number. Do you think the CDC doesn't? Do you think they included them in the numbers for 2019 but excluded them in 2020?

looks like it could be a distinct possibility.. remember Trump ordering the US census bureau to not include undocumented persons

www.fairus.org...

The actual size and the origin of the illegal immigrant population in the United States is uncertain and is difficult to ascertain because of difficulty in accurately counting individuals in this population. Figures from national surveys, administrative data and other sources of information vary widely. By all measures, the population of undocumented immigrants in the USA has declined substantially since 2007.[1][2][3] The number of border apprehensions has substantially declined since 2000, the peak year, but more than doubled in the most recent fiscal year to approach 2007 levels.[4]

As of 2020, FAIR estimates that there are approximately 14.5 million illegal aliens residing within the United States. This number is marginally higher than FAIR’s previous estimate of 14.3 million in 2019.

Based on FAIR’s most recent comprehensive fiscal cost study, illegal aliens are likely imposing a net fiscal burden of at least $133.7 billion.[1] That’s an increase of nearly $2 billion over the past year.

Difficulty in Estimating the Illegal Alien Population
Estimating the size, distribution, and characteristics of the illegal alien population is an inexact science. The methods used by those claiming to have calculated a definitive figure should be viewed skeptically due to the fact that there is no completely reliable source of information on illegal aliens. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) only (loosely) counts foreign nationals who enter and leave the United States in a lawful manner. In truth, we do not know exactly how many people cross the border unlawfully and evade immigration authorities. We can only estimate these figures based on how many individuals U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) believe slip through their detection.

Most current estimates regarding the total number of illegal aliens are based on U.S. Census Bureau data or survey data collected by private research organizations. Far too many of these studies presume that nearly all unlawful migrants respond to demographic questionnaires and that they provide accurate information to federal census agents. As people whose very presence in the United States is an ongoing violation of law, many illegal aliens understandably see no personal value in revealing any information about their legal status. Therefore, when asked about how, when, and why they entered the United States, illegal aliens have a strong motive to either lie, claiming they are lawful migrants or citizens, or refuse to respond at all.

a reply to: putnam6

remember Trump ordering the US census bureau to not include undocumented persons

Which would have no effect on 2020 data, since full census has not been published. And there is also this:

Buried within Trump's order about citizenship data was a new policy of developing "complete and accurate" data on "illegal aliens in the country" that did not attract much attention at the time. Existing estimates by the Department of Homeland Security and academic researchers, the order said, are not reliable enough to "evaluate" policy proposals about enforcing immigration laws and changing eligibility rules for public benefits.

"Data tabulating both the overall population and the citizen population could be combined with records of aliens lawfully present in the country to generate an estimate of the aggregate number of aliens unlawfully present in each State," said Trump's order, which Biden reversed last month.

www.npr.org...

So, no.