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Johns Hopkins: U.S. Death Rate Remains NORMAL Despite COVID-19

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posted on May, 2 2021 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



posted on May, 2 2021 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with these people.
They aren't even living in the real world.



posted on May, 2 2021 @ 01:32 PM
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For as long as I can remember Baby Boomers have been referenced whenever societal statistics are discussed.

Most employed - Baby Boomers
Most cars purchased - Baby Boomers
Most home owners - Baby Boomers
Largest load on the health system -Baby Boomers

Well it can’t go on forever they are now reaching that critical age and they are dropping dead.

With or without COVID there are going to be increases in the death rate and increased deaths in old folks homes.

I would think that for the next decade we are going to see a massive spike in the death rate as one of the largest generations in modern history passes on.
edit on 5 2 2021 by NorthOfStuff because: (no reason given)

edit on 5 2 2021 by NorthOfStuff because: Fat thumbs



posted on May, 3 2021 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



You have not even looked at the data, but still spout off.
The death rate was much higher in previous years. It's come down a lot, but interestingly was on the rise since 2013.

You've also failed to address any of the points made - with links - in reference to the increase in deaths being linked to a lack of healthcare during the lockdown. A study done last year and reported in the Telegraph put WEEKLY deaths due to the lockdown at 2,700... which would entirely explain the increase in deaths from last year. But you have not even bothered to follow up on that point made several times in this thread.

You have just clung to the so-called 'evidence' of a report that we KNOW is wrong because we KNOW that the Govt themselves stipulated that Corona Virus could be entered as the cause of death by doctors on death certificates with ZERO proof and no coroner examination. The govt themselves estimated that 200,000 people could die due to the effects of the lockdown.

To take the data reported on 'covid deaths' at face value - as you have done - you'd have to believe that there were basically zero deaths caused by lockdown. In other words, you'd have to be a moron.


Official government estimates indicate more than 200,000 people could die as a result of lockdown and Covid’s impact on the NHS, it has been reported. Forecasts made in April calculated that 12,000 to 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment in the first six months of the pandemic, with another 185,000 deaths in the medium-to-long term. Meanwhile, it warned there could be 500 extra suicides during the first wave of coronavirus cases, and between 600 and 12,000 additional deaths per year in the event of a severe recession. The estimates included in a report whose existence was revealed by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance only last week, and disclosed by The Daily Telegraph on Monday.



Of course, you don't give a sh*t about what else is going on - at least whilst you cling to your KNOWN inaccurate data to feed your confirmation bias about the 'deadly' virus.



edit on 3/5/2021 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 3 2021 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: UKTruth

I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with these people.
They aren't even living in the real world.


They're living in private-interest driven multi-national broadcasting simulation world.



posted on May, 3 2021 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: UKTruth

I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with these people.
They aren't even living in the real world.


They're living in private-interest driven multi-national broadcasting simulation world.


Exactly - and there are unfortunately too many of these brainwashed virtue signallers in the world now. They are more deadly to humanity than any virus. In fact, they are a virus - for which we seem to have to vaccine.

edit on 3/5/2021 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 3 2021 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: cooperton




They're living in private-interest driven multi-national broadcasting simulation world.


Oh of course why didn't you just say wall St. lol



posted on May, 4 2021 @ 01:23 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



You have not even looked at the data, but still spout off.
The death rate was much higher in previous years. It's come down a lot, but interestingly was on the rise since 2013.

You've also failed to address any of the points made - with links - in reference to the increase in deaths being linked to a lack of healthcare during the lockdown. A study done last year and reported in the Telegraph put WEEKLY deaths due to the lockdown at 2,700... which would entirely explain the increase in deaths from last year. But you have not even bothered to follow up on that point made several times in this thread.

You have just clung to the so-called 'evidence' of a report that we KNOW is wrong because we KNOW that the Govt themselves stipulated that Corona Virus could be entered as the cause of death by doctors on death certificates with ZERO proof and no coroner examination. The govt themselves estimated that 200,000 people could die due to the effects of the lockdown.

To take the data reported on 'covid deaths' at face value - as you have done - you'd have to believe that there were basically zero deaths caused by lockdown. In other words, you'd have to be a moron.


Official government estimates indicate more than 200,000 people could die as a result of lockdown and Covid’s impact on the NHS, it has been reported. Forecasts made in April calculated that 12,000 to 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment in the first six months of the pandemic, with another 185,000 deaths in the medium-to-long term. Meanwhile, it warned there could be 500 extra suicides during the first wave of coronavirus cases, and between 600 and 12,000 additional deaths per year in the event of a severe recession. The estimates included in a report whose existence was revealed by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance only last week, and disclosed by The Daily Telegraph on Monday.



Of course, you don't give a sh*t about what else is going on - at least whilst you cling to your KNOWN inaccurate data to feed your confirmation bias about the 'deadly' virus.




IThe people not looking at the data are those claiming there are no excess deaths. This isn't in any doubt as the data clearly shows there is a large increase in excess deaths.

Perhaps you might want to clarify which contradictory theory it is you actually believe? Does the data show no excess deaths? Are the excess deaths caused by something other than the virus? Is the government manipulating the data to show excess deaths?

Yet again I need to post out that whatever the doctors record on the death certificate is completely irrelevant to if there are excess deaths ( the topic of the topic of this thread). However what is recorded is the judgement of the medical professional who issued it. I am confident they are better placed to judge than you are.



edit on 4-5-2021 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 4 2021 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



You have not even looked at the data, but still spout off.
The death rate was much higher in previous years. It's come down a lot, but interestingly was on the rise since 2013.

You've also failed to address any of the points made - with links - in reference to the increase in deaths being linked to a lack of healthcare during the lockdown. A study done last year and reported in the Telegraph put WEEKLY deaths due to the lockdown at 2,700... which would entirely explain the increase in deaths from last year. But you have not even bothered to follow up on that point made several times in this thread.

You have just clung to the so-called 'evidence' of a report that we KNOW is wrong because we KNOW that the Govt themselves stipulated that Corona Virus could be entered as the cause of death by doctors on death certificates with ZERO proof and no coroner examination. The govt themselves estimated that 200,000 people could die due to the effects of the lockdown.

To take the data reported on 'covid deaths' at face value - as you have done - you'd have to believe that there were basically zero deaths caused by lockdown. In other words, you'd have to be a moron.


Official government estimates indicate more than 200,000 people could die as a result of lockdown and Covid’s impact on the NHS, it has been reported. Forecasts made in April calculated that 12,000 to 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment in the first six months of the pandemic, with another 185,000 deaths in the medium-to-long term. Meanwhile, it warned there could be 500 extra suicides during the first wave of coronavirus cases, and between 600 and 12,000 additional deaths per year in the event of a severe recession. The estimates included in a report whose existence was revealed by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance only last week, and disclosed by The Daily Telegraph on Monday.



Of course, you don't give a sh*t about what else is going on - at least whilst you cling to your KNOWN inaccurate data to feed your confirmation bias about the 'deadly' virus.




IThe people not looking at the data are those claiming there are no excess deaths. This isn't in any doubt as the data clearly shows there is a large increase in excess deaths.

Perhaps you might want to clarify which contradictory theory it is you actually believe? Does the data show no excess deaths? Are the excess deaths caused by something other than the virus? Is the government manipulating the data to show excess deaths?

Yet again I need to post out that whatever the doctors record on the death certificate is completely irrelevant to if there are excess deaths ( the topic of the topic of this thread). However what is recorded is the judgement of the medical professional who issued it. I am confident they are better placed to judge than you are.




Nice try to walk back your blather on this thread. You have not just been arguing about excess deaths you have also been arguing about the classification of the excess deaths.

All the information you need has been provided to highlight the flaws in the published data, but you're now too entrenched in your idiocy to get yourself out of the ridiculous position you have taken. Your posts on this thread are an embarrassment to you.




edit on 4/5/2021 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2021 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



You have not even looked at the data, but still spout off.
The death rate was much higher in previous years. It's come down a lot, but interestingly was on the rise since 2013.

You've also failed to address any of the points made - with links - in reference to the increase in deaths being linked to a lack of healthcare during the lockdown. A study done last year and reported in the Telegraph put WEEKLY deaths due to the lockdown at 2,700... which would entirely explain the increase in deaths from last year. But you have not even bothered to follow up on that point made several times in this thread.

You have just clung to the so-called 'evidence' of a report that we KNOW is wrong because we KNOW that the Govt themselves stipulated that Corona Virus could be entered as the cause of death by doctors on death certificates with ZERO proof and no coroner examination. The govt themselves estimated that 200,000 people could die due to the effects of the lockdown.

To take the data reported on 'covid deaths' at face value - as you have done - you'd have to believe that there were basically zero deaths caused by lockdown. In other words, you'd have to be a moron.


Official government estimates indicate more than 200,000 people could die as a result of lockdown and Covid’s impact on the NHS, it has been reported. Forecasts made in April calculated that 12,000 to 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment in the first six months of the pandemic, with another 185,000 deaths in the medium-to-long term. Meanwhile, it warned there could be 500 extra suicides during the first wave of coronavirus cases, and between 600 and 12,000 additional deaths per year in the event of a severe recession. The estimates included in a report whose existence was revealed by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance only last week, and disclosed by The Daily Telegraph on Monday.



Of course, you don't give a sh*t about what else is going on - at least whilst you cling to your KNOWN inaccurate data to feed your confirmation bias about the 'deadly' virus.




IThe people not looking at the data are those claiming there are no excess deaths. This isn't in any doubt as the data clearly shows there is a large increase in excess deaths.

Perhaps you might want to clarify which contradictory theory it is you actually believe? Does the data show no excess deaths? Are the excess deaths caused by something other than the virus? Is the government manipulating the data to show excess deaths?

Yet again I need to post out that whatever the doctors record on the death certificate is completely irrelevant to if there are excess deaths ( the topic of the topic of this thread). However what is recorded is the judgement of the medical professional who issued it. I am confident they are better placed to judge than you are.




Nice try to walk back your blather on this thread. You have not just been arguing about excess deaths you have also been arguing about the classification of the excess deaths.

All the information you need has been provided to highlight the flaws in the published data, but you're now too entrenched in your idiocy to get yourself out of the ridiculous position you have taken. Your posts on this thread are an embarrassment to you.





Why would I need to walk back anything? I never said you were the only poster struggling to understand the topic.

The data shows that there was a significant increase in excess deaths. The data also shows that, at the very least, this mainly due to deaths from covid.

You haven't even clarified what contradictory theory you actually believe let alone provided any evidence to support it.


edit on 5-5-2021 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 5 2021 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



You have not even looked at the data, but still spout off.
The death rate was much higher in previous years. It's come down a lot, but interestingly was on the rise since 2013.

You've also failed to address any of the points made - with links - in reference to the increase in deaths being linked to a lack of healthcare during the lockdown. A study done last year and reported in the Telegraph put WEEKLY deaths due to the lockdown at 2,700... which would entirely explain the increase in deaths from last year. But you have not even bothered to follow up on that point made several times in this thread.

You have just clung to the so-called 'evidence' of a report that we KNOW is wrong because we KNOW that the Govt themselves stipulated that Corona Virus could be entered as the cause of death by doctors on death certificates with ZERO proof and no coroner examination. The govt themselves estimated that 200,000 people could die due to the effects of the lockdown.

To take the data reported on 'covid deaths' at face value - as you have done - you'd have to believe that there were basically zero deaths caused by lockdown. In other words, you'd have to be a moron.


Official government estimates indicate more than 200,000 people could die as a result of lockdown and Covid’s impact on the NHS, it has been reported. Forecasts made in April calculated that 12,000 to 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment in the first six months of the pandemic, with another 185,000 deaths in the medium-to-long term. Meanwhile, it warned there could be 500 extra suicides during the first wave of coronavirus cases, and between 600 and 12,000 additional deaths per year in the event of a severe recession. The estimates included in a report whose existence was revealed by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance only last week, and disclosed by The Daily Telegraph on Monday.



Of course, you don't give a sh*t about what else is going on - at least whilst you cling to your KNOWN inaccurate data to feed your confirmation bias about the 'deadly' virus.




IThe people not looking at the data are those claiming there are no excess deaths. This isn't in any doubt as the data clearly shows there is a large increase in excess deaths.

Perhaps you might want to clarify which contradictory theory it is you actually believe? Does the data show no excess deaths? Are the excess deaths caused by something other than the virus? Is the government manipulating the data to show excess deaths?

Yet again I need to post out that whatever the doctors record on the death certificate is completely irrelevant to if there are excess deaths ( the topic of the topic of this thread). However what is recorded is the judgement of the medical professional who issued it. I am confident they are better placed to judge than you are.




Nice try to walk back your blather on this thread. You have not just been arguing about excess deaths you have also been arguing about the classification of the excess deaths.

All the information you need has been provided to highlight the flaws in the published data, but you're now too entrenched in your idiocy to get yourself out of the ridiculous position you have taken. Your posts on this thread are an embarrassment to you.





Why would I need to walk back anything? I never said you were the only poster struggling to understand the topic.

The data shows that there was a significant increase in excess deaths. The data also shows that, at the very least, this mainly due to deaths from covid.

You haven't even clarified what contradictory theory you actually believe let alone provided any evidence to support it.



As I said - your efforts to slime away from your failed arguments on this thread don't work.
They are as obvious as your lack of critical thinking.



posted on May, 6 2021 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: ScepticScot

Any idea what that evidence might look like?
What would you consider to be evidence?
Any ideas where to start looking?


Its really up to those making the claims to provide the evidence If they don't already have it then it sounds a lot like they are just making stuff up


You've just taken a year on year change in deaths, whilst ignoring the fact that Covid could be marked on the death cert in cases where it was not confirmed (as per govt guidelines), ignored that the deaths this year do not show the same increase when looking at a longer-term trend and ignored that the lockdown itself could be responsible for excess deaths.

You've provided no thought at all, no critical analysis of the numbers at all, whilst blindly believing the numbers form a govt agency and falsely positioning those numbers as the last word on the debate.

You've basically spent the whole thread shilling for the British and US govts.




The thread is the overall increase in death rates. The cause recorded is irrelevant to that. Perhaps knowing the actual topic would be a good start to critical analysis?

A link has already been provided showing an increase in deaths well beyond the normal yearly increase. Your claim that that it's within long term trends is simply false.

Happy to consider alternative evidence that shows there was no increase in deaths or that they had been cause by something other than the virus. So far no one has been able to provide any.

You can have whatever unsupported opinion you wish , but what unless you can provide some facts to back it up there is no compelling reason for me to take it seriously.



You have not even looked at the data, but still spout off.
The death rate was much higher in previous years. It's come down a lot, but interestingly was on the rise since 2013.

You've also failed to address any of the points made - with links - in reference to the increase in deaths being linked to a lack of healthcare during the lockdown. A study done last year and reported in the Telegraph put WEEKLY deaths due to the lockdown at 2,700... which would entirely explain the increase in deaths from last year. But you have not even bothered to follow up on that point made several times in this thread.

You have just clung to the so-called 'evidence' of a report that we KNOW is wrong because we KNOW that the Govt themselves stipulated that Corona Virus could be entered as the cause of death by doctors on death certificates with ZERO proof and no coroner examination. The govt themselves estimated that 200,000 people could die due to the effects of the lockdown.

To take the data reported on 'covid deaths' at face value - as you have done - you'd have to believe that there were basically zero deaths caused by lockdown. In other words, you'd have to be a moron.


Official government estimates indicate more than 200,000 people could die as a result of lockdown and Covid’s impact on the NHS, it has been reported. Forecasts made in April calculated that 12,000 to 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment in the first six months of the pandemic, with another 185,000 deaths in the medium-to-long term. Meanwhile, it warned there could be 500 extra suicides during the first wave of coronavirus cases, and between 600 and 12,000 additional deaths per year in the event of a severe recession. The estimates included in a report whose existence was revealed by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance only last week, and disclosed by The Daily Telegraph on Monday.



Of course, you don't give a sh*t about what else is going on - at least whilst you cling to your KNOWN inaccurate data to feed your confirmation bias about the 'deadly' virus.




IThe people not looking at the data are those claiming there are no excess deaths. This isn't in any doubt as the data clearly shows there is a large increase in excess deaths.

Perhaps you might want to clarify which contradictory theory it is you actually believe? Does the data show no excess deaths? Are the excess deaths caused by something other than the virus? Is the government manipulating the data to show excess deaths?

Yet again I need to post out that whatever the doctors record on the death certificate is completely irrelevant to if there are excess deaths ( the topic of the topic of this thread). However what is recorded is the judgement of the medical professional who issued it. I am confident they are better placed to judge than you are.




Nice try to walk back your blather on this thread. You have not just been arguing about excess deaths you have also been arguing about the classification of the excess deaths.

All the information you need has been provided to highlight the flaws in the published data, but you're now too entrenched in your idiocy to get yourself out of the ridiculous position you have taken. Your posts on this thread are an embarrassment to you.





Why would I need to walk back anything? I never said you were the only poster struggling to understand the topic.

The data shows that there was a significant increase in excess deaths. The data also shows that, at the very least, this mainly due to deaths from covid.

You haven't even clarified what contradictory theory you actually believe let alone provided any evidence to support it.



As I said - your efforts to slime away from your failed arguments on this thread don't work.
They are as obvious as your lack of critical thinking.



You seen to be confusing believing unsupported and irrational conspiracy theories with critical thinking.

Again not a mistake unique to you on this site but still a mistake.



posted on May, 6 2021 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.



posted on May, 6 2021 @ 02:50 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



posted on May, 7 2021 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



All the relevant information is in this thread, which you have not understood or dismissed without consideration.
What is more, it is clear you didn't actually read the OP and go through the links.
Fool.



posted on May, 8 2021 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



All the relevant information is in this thread, which you have not understood or dismissed without consideration.
What is more, it is clear you didn't actually read the OP and go through the links.
Fool.



I thought you had gone?

I did read the OP. I also read the the linked article from a student news paper back when people on this site were saying it was a study by John Hopkins.

The OP and the article claims data from the
CDC shows there was no increase in the death rate in the US. Actual data from the CDC , which has been linked to in this thread, shows that is false.



posted on May, 8 2021 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



All the relevant information is in this thread, which you have not understood or dismissed without consideration.
What is more, it is clear you didn't actually read the OP and go through the links.
Fool.



I thought you had gone?

I did read the OP. I also read the the linked article from a student news paper back when people on this site were saying it was a study by John Hopkins.

The OP and the article claims data from the
CDC shows there was no increase in the death rate in the US. Actual data from the CDC , which has been linked to in this thread, shows that is false.



Every time you post it becomes more obvious you have not read the articles in the links.



posted on May, 8 2021 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



All the relevant information is in this thread, which you have not understood or dismissed without consideration.
What is more, it is clear you didn't actually read the OP and go through the links.
Fool.



I thought you had gone?

I did read the OP. I also read the the linked article from a student news paper back when people on this site were saying it was a study by John Hopkins.

The OP and the article claims data from the
CDC shows there was no increase in the death rate in the US. Actual data from the CDC , which has been linked to in this thread, shows that is false.



Every time you post it becomes more obvious you have not read the articles in the links.


Every time you post it becomes more obvious you are just making stuff up.



posted on May, 8 2021 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



All the relevant information is in this thread, which you have not understood or dismissed without consideration.
What is more, it is clear you didn't actually read the OP and go through the links.
Fool.



I thought you had gone?

I did read the OP. I also read the the linked article from a student news paper back when people on this site were saying it was a study by John Hopkins.

The OP and the article claims data from the
CDC shows there was no increase in the death rate in the US. Actual data from the CDC , which has been linked to in this thread, shows that is false.



Every time you post it becomes more obvious you have not read the articles in the links.


Every time you post it becomes more obvious you are just making stuff up.


Cool story.
I'll wait until you've actually followed the links and tried to understand them.
Then you might be more useful to this thread than the wet fart you've been.
You do have form, I remember well your posts during Brexit. They were hilarious.

edit on 8/5/2021 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 8 2021 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot

Your post history already reveals you as a person completely uninformed and unwilling to learn for themselves, so I will leave you to it. You've already embarrassed yourself enough to my satisfaction in this thread.


Yes if you can't actually provide any evidence to support you position its probably a good idea to go away.



All the relevant information is in this thread, which you have not understood or dismissed without consideration.
What is more, it is clear you didn't actually read the OP and go through the links.
Fool.



I thought you had gone?

I did read the OP. I also read the the linked article from a student news paper back when people on this site were saying it was a study by John Hopkins.

The OP and the article claims data from the
CDC shows there was no increase in the death rate in the US. Actual data from the CDC , which has been linked to in this thread, shows that is false.



Every time you post it becomes more obvious you have not read the articles in the links.


Every time you post it becomes more obvious you are just making stuff up.


Cool story.
I'll wait until you've actually followed the links and tried to understand them.
Then you might be more useful to this thread than the wet fart you've been.
You do have form, I remember well your posts during Brexit. They were hilarious.


I will make this simple for you because apparently I have to.

The OP claims there is no increase in US death rate.

CDC data shows there is an increase in the US death rate.

The OP is wrong.

If you had actually read or understood the links you would know this instead of making stuff up and trying to change the topic.

The only person telling stories here is you.




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