Johns Hopkins: U.S. Death Rate Remains NORMAL Despite COVID-19

a reply to: stonergeek

Who will peer-review CDC collecting and validating data? Is Fauci a scientist or an official who can be corrupted? A jesuit. A polititian with agenda and hands on the wheel?

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: stonergeek

Who will peer-review CDC collecting and validating data? Is Fauci a scientist or an official who can be corrupted? A jesuit. A polititian with agenda and hands on the wheel?

Anyone can be corrupted. It doesn't matter what their vocation. Would you want a politician or a Jesuit to review data they didn't understand? Fauci isn't performing these reviews. Link The CDC doesn't hide the methods used. Read it for yourself. The point is, the Johns Hopkins article was not written by any peer. A peer is not a politician or a Jesuit unless they are reviewing work done by another politician or Jesuit, respectively. I wouldn't ask a politician to attempt to duplicate something in a lab no more than I would ask my doctor for tax advice. Best my doc could do is give me the name of his CPA. How hard is the concept of acquiring, knowledge, really?

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

< Snipped for manners and decorum >

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

originally posted by: stonergeek

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: stonergeek

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: stonergeek

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Salander

The point is that scientists and physicians who dissent from a predetermined narrative are quickly censored.

Bad science should be rejected. Good science can stand up to criticism. That's how science is supposed to work.

Let's say someone, someday, finds a way to show that General Relativity is wrong. That's way against the "narrative." But people have been trying to do that for a long time. Yes, so far they have been "censored", if you will, because their work is flawed. But if it is ever achieved, why, that person would be the next Einstein.

Science, good science, is hard. It's supposed to be.

So the measure of science, good science is how many people you can convince of your authenticity. Sounds like a popularity contest not at all rooted in understanding our reality around us.

Peer reviews are not popularity contests. They are tests that prove or disprove scientific studies and methods. It's not about convincing large numbers of laymen. It's about other scientists actually testing the veracity of another scientist's work.

If you say so. So all peer reviewed work is 100% accurate? We both know the answer to that.

It’s an issue of faith, nothing more. Your failure to recognize that is something you’ll have to reconcile.

Of course it's not 100%. Do you throw out everything that isn't 100%? Do you think random opinions from laymen are more accurate? Faith in what? Faith in someone who knows what they are talking about vs the average man on the street? Where do you put your faith? What do you need to reconcile? I can reconcile putting my faith in a tried and proven process rather than in the opinions of those not educated in a subject. Not sure where my failure lies. Yeah, empirical evidence is far more worthy of faith than mere opinions. Popularity has nothing to do with that process.

Why are you upset? My comment was in response to what distinguishes “good” science from “bad” science. My faith is irrelevant to any of my comments, but interesting that it’s how you choose to defend yours by bringing mine into question. Bad science is only bad until it it’s approved and becomes good science. The earth used to be the center of the universe and quite a few peers in the scientific community thought so until they didn’t. Being peer reviewed isn’t a stamp of correct science, simply that it’s agreed upon.

Why do you assume I am upset? You are the one who brought up faith. You literally stated that is all there is to it. Correct, peer reviewed is not 100%, however, you seem to discount it because of that fact. I ask again, what IS 100% in this world, and why must something be 100% for it to be more accurate than mere opinion? Copernicus predates "scientific peer review". Peer review didn't exist prior to the 19th Century. I don't think that term means what you think it means. There is an actual process to test scientific methods and hypotheses. The way you talk, it's just a bunch of folks saying "sounds legit to me."
You do not need to be a peer or even review a subject to agree upon something. Hell, you don't even need to know how to read or speak to nod in agreement.

You were spitting on the screen amid all those questions and accusations, but fine I’ll just accept you generally talk that way.
Thanks for repeating your faith in peer review. We’ve agreed now that science peer reviewed or otherwise is not always correct. Watching you struggle with this brings me a smile, I’ve already explained. The way you talk seems that you’ve put all your faith in those magical scientists to tell you the answers to all things, you understand they could be entirely wrong, subject to the wims of their culture and the framework of the world they live in, and those funding them. Human nature is flawed. We work off of false understandings, like you for example. You admit science, peer reviewed science is easily able to be wrong but don’t accept the notion an idea is believed has a distinction between an idea being correct.

I suggest you spend more time understanding human nature, look inward to answer those questions you keep throwing at me. I’ll give you an example of an absolute as well to ponder. Those who have lived in the cave their whole lives and never seen the light absolutely know nothing about the world outside, it’s a hint!

I’ve got a question for you, what distinguishes good science from bad science, which is where my comment came from?

originally posted by: stonergeek

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: stonergeek

Who will peer-review CDC collecting and validating data? Is Fauci a scientist or an official who can be corrupted? A jesuit. A polititian with agenda and hands on the wheel?

Anyone can be corrupted. It doesn't matter what their vocation. Would you want a politician or a Jesuit to review data they didn't understand? Fauci isn't performing these reviews. Link The CDC doesn't hide the methods used. Read it for yourself. The point is, the Johns Hopkins article was not written by any peer. A peer is not a politician or a Jesuit unless they are reviewing work done by another politician or Jesuit, respectively. I wouldn't ask a politician to attempt to duplicate something in a lab no more than I would ask my doctor for tax advice. Best my doc could do is give me the name of his CPA. How hard is the concept of acquiring, knowledge, really?

anyone can be corrupted, anyone you say?!?!

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: Rob808

True. Good science should not even need to be institutionalized. Showing faith in science or institutions is a religious scientism. There's a lot of fake science. You have to absorb it and pretend to agree at least until you get a degree. Then you can challenge it but you'll soon become the untouchable by the big academia. It's pretty much a cult since the age of catholic universities. Self-elected caste. You dont speak to former cult members if you like your warm job. Cosmology and climatology are FUBAR. Psychiatry is rooted in occultism (Jung), eugenics, traditionally abused by communism,national socialism in Germany. People lobotomized, gays sterilized, many disappeared...it goes on

Historically human nature has presided dominant, and I expect will continue.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

Maybe let them speak instead of being their unelected representative?

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

Maybe let them speak instead of being their unelected representative?

I don't the need speak for them, the data already does.

Other posters seem to think they know better however.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Salander

The point is that scientists and physicians who dissent from a predetermined narrative are quickly censored.

Bad science should be rejected. Good science can stand up to criticism. That's how science is supposed to work.

Let's say someone, someday, finds a way to show that General Relativity is wrong. That's way against the "narrative." But people have been trying to do that for a long time. Yes, so far they have been "censored", if you will, because their work is flawed. But if it is ever achieved, why, that person would be the next Einstein.

Science, good science, is hard. It's supposed to be.

Great, we are in agreement on the qualities of science.

Sadly, what we are seeing today, for the last 12 months or more, is the passing off of pseudo science for real science. The system holds up men like Anthony Fauci as being a scientist, when he is really just a career bureaucrat with vested interest, and a serial liar.

Defying all science, we are being told that a virus like the flu is incredibly dangerous and that the existing norms must be crushed in order to deal with the virus.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: dug88

a 0.001% increase

No.

In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States

www.cdc.gov...

In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States.

www.cdc.gov...

That is an increase of 16%.

Odd wording on this....so the first one ONLY counts US residents and the second one doesn't specify and appears to likely include non-residents as well.

Gotta change those numbers somehow right?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

Maybe let them speak instead of being their unelected representative?

I don't the need speak for them, the data already does.

Other posters seem to think they know better however.

Yes, it’s the other posters who think they know better, good on you for correcting them

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

Maybe let them speak instead of being their unelected representative?

I don't the need speak for them, the data already does.

Other posters seem to think they know better however.

Yes, it’s the other posters who think they know better, good on you for correcting them

Your welcome.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

Maybe let them speak instead of being their unelected representative?

I don't the need speak for them, the data already does.

Other posters seem to think they know better however.

Yes, it’s the other posters who think they know better, good on you for correcting them

Your welcome.

I didn’t thank you.

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

BS... What is known is that because of the COVID-19 lockdowns people whom have cancer, and other diseases and health problems, haven't been able to get their treatments... Hospitals have made it harder and harder to go there, even during emergencies. Many patients that have attempted to get their treatments, such as chemotherapy, have also been cancelled which also accounts for many people dying because they have not gotten their treatments...

Soon after she was diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer in January, Janet Glass began going every other week to Englewood Health in New Jersey for a three-day chemotherapy treatment in hopes of defeating the disease.

But because of concerns that the coronavirus outbreak could kill a cancer patient whose immune system is severely compromised, Glass’s most recent appointment was canceled.

“I was very surprised by the call,” said Glass, 72, a North Bergen resident. “I knew they were canceling elective surgeries. I get that you can’t get a nose job these days. That makes sense. But chemo is something else.”

Glass is not alone.

Doctors have already started making critical decisions about treatment for patients who have cancer, and who may be more likely to die if they contract a coronavirus infection because their immune systems are compromised from chemotherapy.

For weeks, oncologists who treat cancer patients have been considering the possibility of postponing some treatments over concerns about risks, said Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society in Atlanta.
...

Coronav irus canceled her chemotherapy. Should cancer patients still go to appointments?

...October 16, 2020 at 11:18 am
Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. (SCCC, Facebook)

COVID-19 has killed more than 200,000 Americans, and experts predict another sad statistic as a result of the pandemic: Rising cancer death rates over the next several years.

That’s because fewer people getting their routine screenings for a disease in which an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

Dr. Nicholas Serrano, a radiation oncologist at Bellevue’s Overlake Medical Center, said the problem is twofold.

He said the first issue is that in the spring during the early lockdowns, diagnostic procedures were limited to people showing symptoms, instead of just routine preventive care.

UW Medicine study shows at-home genetic tests effective for breast, ovarian cancer

A July article in medical journal The Lancet, which came out as lockdowns around the country had just eased up, focused on these cases. The Lancet predicted an increase of between 5 and 16% across four types of cancer that it are especially vital to catch early — breast, lung, esophageal, and colorectal.

“Patients were missing their diagnostic screening studies that can help detect these cancers earlier before they become more advanced and less treatable,” Serrano said.

For example, he said mammograms were limited to people who had found a lump or felt a symptom like breast pain, instead of the periodical screenings that women get as a precaution.
...

Bellevue doctor details increase in cancer risk during COVID-19 lockdowns

...
The COVID-19 outbreak has disrupted healthcare services for people who are being treated for cancer.
While chemotherapy is continuing, other healthcare services are being postponed.
Experts say these delays can increase anxiety for people who are already feeling stressed about cancer.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.

In early December, Theresa Hoiles, a freelance writer from San Diego who’s married with three children, received a diagnosis of spiral cell sarcoma, a rare soft-tissue tumor.

Seven weeks after receiving radiation, she had surgery to remove the tumor at Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, California.

Now, 2 weeks after her surgery, Hoiles, 49, feels like her cancer treatment is at a standstill due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
...

How the COVID-19 Outbreak Is Affecting Healthcare for People with Cancer

That's the real reason why the death rate has increased. The lockdowns have caused an increase in the amounts of deaths. STOP LYING...

Many people have also been, and many still are, scared to death to go to hospitals because they fear COVID-19, and decided instead to not go. This has also made sure that less people seek treatments/help at hospitals.

But like always you lie your arse off, and you attempt to deceive people about what is going on. This has been your modus operandi since you started being a member...

The medical professionals who have actually issued the death certificates say otherwise Interested in how you would know better than them.

Maybe let them speak instead of being their unelected representative?

I don't the need speak for them, the data already does.

Other posters seem to think they know better however.

Yes, it’s the other posters who think they know better, good on you for correcting them

Your welcome.

I didn’t thank you.

What else could you have possibly meant?

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: stonergeek

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: stonergeek

Who will peer-review CDC collecting and validating data? Is Fauci a scientist or an official who can be corrupted? A jesuit. A polititian with agenda and hands on the wheel?

Anyone can be corrupted. It doesn't matter what their vocation. Would you want a politician or a Jesuit to review data they didn't understand? Fauci isn't performing these reviews. Link The CDC doesn't hide the methods used. Read it for yourself. The point is, the Johns Hopkins article was not written by any peer. A peer is not a politician or a Jesuit unless they are reviewing work done by another politician or Jesuit, respectively. I wouldn't ask a politician to attempt to duplicate something in a lab no more than I would ask my doctor for tax advice. Best my doc could do is give me the name of his CPA. How hard is the concept of acquiring, knowledge, really?

anyone can be corrupted, anyone you say?!?!

ANYONE. Including the ones you trust over the ones you don't, anyone. ANY ONE, not EVERY ONE. Yeah, yeah I know know, they are ALL in on on it!

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Yanni Gu, a student at JHU, wrote an article summarizing these findings and noted that patients dying from other diseases who also tested positive for COVID-19 are classified as COVID-19 deaths.

I maintain that one of the easiest ways they could be parading this false narrative of increased deaths is to classify - meaning, actually count - the deaths twice.

You take 50,000 flu deaths, 20,000 pneumonia deaths, 150,000 heart disease deaths, 100,000 others, etc etc, and count them both as their actual cause of death, then count them again as COVID deaths - and presto, you have an increase in the total number of counted deaths, without an increase in the physical number of dead bodies.

I'm not saying this is what is happening. I'm saying this could easily be what is happening.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Us population 2019

(2019)
328.2 million

Us deaths 2019

2,854,838

Us population 2020

331,002,651 increase by ≈ 3 million people

Us deaths 2020
≈3.3 million increased by ≈ 445 162 people

Yeah...math...

So... yeah, math, with respect to analyzing statistics, is only as good as the sources of the numbers you are working with.

It would easy to manipulate these numbers, if, as I stated in my last response, certain deaths were simply counted twice, increasing the number of overall deaths, without an actual corresponding increase in the number of dead bodies.

Also, as care pointed out, the lockdowns completely changed a whole lot of other variables in ways that are difficult to even guess about.

All I do know is, they are lying about pretty much everything to do with the plan/scamdemic..

Or, based upon a grossly inaccurate PCR test, include any death with a 'positive' result as a death from the mysterious virus.

The best example of that was the young man killed in a motorcycle accident last year in Orlando, whose death was attributed to the virus. Yes, the authorities had to walk that one back when called out on it.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

Not yet. We'll have to wait until November right?

Why?

Based on death records received and processed as of March 21, 2021, for deaths occurring in the United States among U.S. residents. Data included in this analysis include >99% of deaths that occurred in 2020.

www.cdc.gov...

I'll say it's not from Covid, that Cuomo killed lotta grandpas over 85, cancer patients had no chemo, liberals killed a bunch of hoboes, the leading cause of death - heart issues were worse because of the stress and loneliness

Yes. Deaths due to heart disease increased. Deaths due to stroke increased. Deaths due to diabetes increased. Deaths due to pneumonia increased. It is known that COVID is involved in many such deaths. You can say whatever you like, the numbers are what they are.

jamanetwork.com...

Wow, you are still clinging on to those 'official' numbers for dear life, I see.
Deaths not due to Covid have been reported as Covid deaths. It's not difficult to understand that the lockdown could well have caused a spike in deaths of all reasons that have been recorded as covid. You refuse to even entertain the idea because the Govt gave you your answer.

Hate to break it you Phage, but Govts lie - all the time.