Ukraine says Russia massing troops on border

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: putnam6

Biden isn't going to do anything.

Of course, he isn't. Point was the world seems to be shaking off the rust of COVID inactivity.

originally posted by: xuenchen

But?

whatabout

Burisma !! 😃

Exactly...and this is why the US, errr Bai-Dan, will get involved!!

NATO needs to back off
None of this would be happening without it's meddling.
Russia should never have interfered, but can you blame them
Imagine the Warsaw pact 20 miles off of Florida and you get the picture.
We don't need a reason to wear a mask forever
Very worrying developments.

There are allot of geopolitical issues that need strong diplomatic American, leadership to maintain peace, this is just one example. As far as I can tell with North Korea, China vs Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. it is just a matter of time. Unfortunately most people on these social media’s aren’t old enough to have remembered nasty conventional wars etc. so obviously this might be a time that will create a unstable time on the planet, here’s hoping diplomacy prevails. Looking at the mess in American politics at the moment and how it has literally poisoned almost all aspects of daily life in a negative 👎 perspective I don’t have high hopes, america, is no where near as prosperous as it was just a little over a year ago,

No doubt in my mind at all that the Biden Administration will get us into wars. Biden insults other leaders, he has been that way for decades. I can see deteriorating relationships with NK, Russia, China, and parts of the middle east in the next two years. Democrats instigate wars then a Republican president is elected and is stuck fighting the wars.

a reply to: Bicent

The biggest thing in my opinion was the collapse of the Soviet Union. This has still yet to resonate, the tension between the USA and Russia literally balanced the world, and formed it. The standoff kept wages realistic in the West as a counter to any leftward leanings. America is a machine geared for the cold war economics. It tries to bait Russia into playing the old game to no avail. In geopolitics, the results of certain actions may take decades to play out, by sanctioning Russia, it has had to improve its game in many areas. Which it was able to do simply because the education system was world-class and based on performance. American foreign policy has always been to covertly try and control another country because it's cheaper than invading, it has worked because people are essentially greedy and easily bought, the problem with this is it ends up with the general population getting screwed over. I would hazard to guess that if the people of Ukraine were asked to decide if they wanted to be part of the Russian Federation, I am sure the vote would go the way of Crimea. But this will never happen, and will probably be bloodshed caused by the same old gang.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Ukraine should be partioned.... Stupid made up country is nothing but trouble.

Could say the same about the ‘United States’. Not so united these days.

I’m sure the people of Ukraine would be just as opposed to partitioning their nation as those of the US, if it was proposed that their country should be partitioned into smaller nations.

Easy to diktat what others should do, but always a more nuanced question when applied to one’s self. Ukraine may have a complex history, but for the folk living there now it’s their country - their identity and protection - and if they want it to stay intact, then that’s how it should stay.

a reply to: anonentity

I would hazard to guess that if the people of Ukraine were asked to decide if they wanted to be part of the Russian Federation, I am sure the vote would go the way of Crimea.

Done at gunpoint and when the results still aren't what the Kremlin wants they fabricate them?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

Done at gunpoint and when the results still aren't what the Kremlin wants they fabricate them?

Such silliness.

Pls research the truth about what went down in the ukraine.. the establishment swamp creatures were supporting horrific militia groups that were attempting to ovwrthrow the government.. (just like they did in syria, egypt, libya etc) part of the "russia, russia, russia" election meddling narrative was to distract from US hiring mercs to violently overthrow many governemnts.

Expect more of the same now thx to Bidens "victory." These are ppl who will kill hindreds of thousands in foreign nations to overthrow election results.. of course they cheat here.

Russia has the right to put troops anywhere in it's own borders.

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

Yanukovych betrayed the will of the Ukrainian people, was removed from office because of it and then fled the country with billions of taxpayer dollars. But that is separate from what occurred in Crimea.

Unmarked troops (a violation of international law) that Russia claimed weren't theirs (but later admitted they were, meaning Russia violated their treaty with Ukraine) seized the peninsula and forced a vote over whether Crimea wanted to be annexed by Russia. Of course no international poll watchers were allowed to help ensure the integrity of the vote.

The results? Well according to Russia's own Council on Human Rights only about 30% of the population voted and of that 30% less than 50% voted in favor of the referendum. Which of course are completely different than the "official" results reported by the Kremlin that had something like 80% of the population vote and 95% voting in favor.

And what was Putin's ultimate excuse for annexing Crimea. He claimed that Russians were being persecuted. He has yet to provide any evidence of these claims.

The truth is that Ukraine was seeking closer ties with the West. Putin didn't like that so he destabilized the country (which effectively prohibits their ability to join NATO like they had been pursuing) and then took advantage of the instability to also seize Crimea so he didn't lose access to the Black Sea.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I said research what actually happened, not parrot the deep states BS lies.

Drep state interefered in their elections.. with snipers and white suprrmacist militia groups.. they will partner with anyone to do their dirty work.. they used islamic terrorsts in other places.

a reply to: 11SK1180

No one is saying they don't. That doesn't change the fact however that these kinds of "exercises" tend to coincide with pushes from the "separatists."

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Pls stop pretending you know what youre talking about, you dont, at all.. who did you vote for?

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

So Putin's own words and a report published by the Russian government are deep state lies?

And what election did we interfere in? Ukraine held their parliamentary elections in 2012, re-electing Yanukovych. The Euromaiden protests didn't start until 2013 and were over Yanukovych's sudden change to seek stronger ties with Russia after the majority of the country said they wanted stronger integration with the EU.

If you're referring to the election after Yanukovych was removed from office, it certainly doesn't seem like we interfered in that one either considering the US supported Yulia Tymoshenko for the presidency.

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

No one. I figured there were better things I could do with my time than choose between a giant douche bag or a turd sandwich.

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

I have researched it. Clearly you haven't since you think the current situation in Ukraine stems from election interference by the US.

There are claims that the US influenced the Euromaiden protests. But those claims are unproven and don't emerge until 2014, when the protests began in 2013.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Yeah.. you researched by believing everything you were told by known liars and mass murderers. Excellent idea.

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

Once again my sources on Crimea are Putin's own words and a report published by the Kremlin.

What are your sources that the Euromaiden protests were about the US interfering in an election that occurred over a year prior and resulted in the Russian supported candidate winning?