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originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
originally posted by: Rob808
The entire thought process here is flawed. There is no right. It’s history, culture, art. The “rules” of music are only formed to work around the structure they created, they all are broken by other forms of music/art. Eastern microtonal music has plenty of value to be learned, if that’s the subject of the class cool study it. If the subject is classical western music, cool study it. If it’s Tin Pan Alley, cool... enjoy and learn from what things are and stop overlaying faux morality over things.
originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I had a Philosophy of Art course in college and a discussion on Western music theory came up, actually a student mentioned micro tonal intervals and eastern scales, basically questioning the whole western culture the course covered. The subject digressed into cultural relativism and got way off topic.
Then the discussion got heated a little and one white male student, a guy who never spoke in class and kept to himself, suddenly and very loudly proclaimed that we use western theories because "they were right" and those are the best ones to study. His loud and aggravated tone shut down that BS down and we got back to the class studies of the course.
The mechanics of harmony, melody, and rhythm and their inner related complexities are visually expressed in written form, regardless of the ethnicity of the music made into notation that is then played by an orchestra. Race and ethnic cultures have nothing to do with a system of musical notation that has been evolving for centuries. It was the only way to preserve music of every kind for centuries.
Other than primitive recordings, how would we have preserved the music of black jazz musicians from the jazz era if those black musicians didn't know musical notation and write up the sheet music for use while playing? How would that music be interpreted without a black director who knows his sheet music and score sheets?
They used to say that music is the universal language, but I guess that universal language is actually hate speech now.
A bunch of dumb pretentious kids in college for music debating about racism in their art... yeah you guys really are accomplishing a lot for the world and your future...
Just curious, why do you feel it’s important to mention the gender and race along with the viewpoint of a particular student from your class? It seems to only serve to display your own prejudice and bigoted ideas.
That was 30 years ago, I have no clue what they are studying in the Liberal Arts colleges these days. I guess I was prejudiced and bigoted to point out that a white guy was defending Western European culture in a class on that subject. It was a white woman who brought up the subject of micro-tones actually, because her husband was a "micro-tonal composer". I don't remember that any black students were in that class. If adding such details makes me a bigot, then I guess that must be true then.
It just so happens that the western scales are related to the physics of acoustic overtones, where as micro tones are are not within a specific harmonic arena (atonal). But the rule to break all rules in music is, if it sounds good it is good, if you want to use that as a value judgement on ethnic music quality.
I’m way more impressed with play by ear musicians. Feel (which isn’t well articulated on the page, look at classical players try and do jazz/rock, no feel baby!) jam with ear players, they are better, full 100% attention on the music vs trying to read from a page.
originally posted by: notquiteright
a reply to: freedomSlave
I agree that reading music is not a requirement to be a musician. I am self taught, as well, but I taught myself to read music because I thought it would be useful, and I'm glad I did. I am not a master at it, but I do alright.
Yes, a good musician can listen to a song and play it by ear. But what if you never heard the song? Sheet music would allow you to play the music without ever having heard it.
Sheet music is not always a "note for note" experience. Sheet music is commonly used by jazz musicians right alongside improvisation.
It's all well and good for a self taught musician to decide that sheet music would not be beneficial to them, but an academy of higher learning should require it's mastery as part of it's curriculum.
One thing that always irks me (and I'm not saying you are doing this, but while were on it) is that often I will hear musicians that don't read music make the argument that it isn't necessary, but then take a position as though they are somehow superior for not reading music. Absurd.