Aliens or what?

originally posted by: neoholographic
How can 60 kids make up a lie, all draw similar things seperately and not say anything for all of these years?

So how many saucers were there, one, or five? If they all saw the same thing it should be easy to answer. Here are their drawings:

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: neoholographic
How can 60 kids make up a lie, all draw similar things seperately and not say anything for all of these years?

So how many saucers were there, one, or five? If they all saw the same thing it should be easy to answer. Here are their drawings:

Maybe the answer is both.

One kid was in a position where he just saw the one big saucer and the being next to it. The other kid was in a position where he saw the one big saucer, the being next to it and 4 smaller saucers. If it was just imagination, why did he draw 4 smaller saucers? Why didn't he just draw 4 big saucers?

Also, in both pictures the being is to the right of the big ship from the point of view of the person drawing. Did they magically communicate that to each other LOL?

originally posted by: neoholographic
Maybe the answer is both.

One kid was in a position where he just saw the one big saucer and the being next to it. The other kid was in a position where he saw the one big saucer, the being next to it and 4 smaller saucers.

I keep hearing all the kids saw the same thing, but it sounds like you're saying they didn't? Anyway none of them seemed to draw any buildings or whatever that would block their view of the other four saucers. Also, three of the small saucers appear quite close to the large one, so I would expect people who saw the large one to at least see three more based on the drawing of five saucers. One of the five is off on the left side, so maybe if they didn't see that one your argument might be reasonable, then we would have some drawings showing 4 saucers and some showing 5 saucers. But, that's not what we have.

If it was just imagination, why did he draw 4 smaller saucers? Why didn't he just draw 4 big saucers?

You'd have to ask him, but it looks to me like he might run out of room on the paper if he did that.

Also, in both pictures the being is to the right of the big ship from the point of view of the person drawing. Did they magically communicate that to each other LOL?

I wouldn't read too much into that on a sample of two drawings.
I think I've seen maybe 10 drawings or so, and there are supposed to be what? about 62? I'd love to see the other ~50 drawings, does anybody have those archived/available or are they being withheld from us? Who has them, where did they go? Anyway some of the drawings I've seen show the humanoid in other positions:

Ariel School UFO sighting

a reply to: Arbitrageur

You keep reaching for the stars and coming up empty.

Another picture that's similar but from a different angle with a big oval shaped saucer and and a being to the right of the ship if you're looking from the angle of the other pics. It looks like the kids drew the same thing but from different angles. An oval shaped ship with windows and a being to the right of the ship.

You have just made the case stronger

Jeepers...anyone been to an Airshow that had Stealth Fighter overflying....?....they look like a lot of different but kind of the same things from different angles .

iwanttobelieve70

What gave me enough information was Roswell. A base housing our best and brightest confused a weather balloon with a flying saucer and the information surrounding the encounter is redacted to this day. What plausible possible explanation could there be? There isn’t one.

Oh ya. Aparantely heavy military bases back in the day right after ww2, with all there cutting age technology, and multi million dollar radar equipment. Mistaked a flying craft? For a weather baloon? So somehow all there radar and everything became totally useless? And couldent distinquiesh between a flying plane, and a weather ballon?

Well at least they did not mistake that weatherballon for a seagull.

What was that whole roswell crashed saucer thing about anyways? If it were that easy back then to fly weather balloons over military basses and airspace. Well the Russians would have invaded right around the same time. The 1940s all about how commies are going to get you, make you turn socialist.

Right around 2 years after the end of WW2. Also right around operation paperclip was setting in in new research bases opened all over the united states. So ya, probably the whole Nazi flying disk, or the Nazi bell the Nazis were reported to be working on.

So secret human technology? Probably ya, pretty most aviation forms and other sciences and gadgets were all developed around the same era at the end of the 40s through the 50s, etc etc to today and its magic technology.

Now the kicker is, that the Nazi's did built those flying saucers. But they only did it by using thousands of year old manuscripts and stories which are now akin as myth. From an age long ago, when beings soared the sky as gods. And some stuff they found in archaeological digs were the Nazis went, from Paraguay, to Tibet, to Antarctica and even, some say the moon.

All of which places, areas, and countries. That had absolutely nothing in common to the fact that they were having a war against the worlds superpowers and millions are dying from bombardment and gunfire. While? In the meantime. They were going Indiana jones all over the world, and discovering lost archives.

So ya. Maybe that should have been the story of Roswell crash. Even if that was the plot of a Indiana Jones movie, and someone pitched to Hollywood to make a movie about it.

They would say that story is to damn ludicrous to even believe.


So ya. It was about a flying frizbee that people cant identify, its like in the sky and there are little green people. And something about cheap drive through diners along the highway, selling saucer pasta on Tuesdays, and little green men cookie crunch cookies on Wednesdays.

Flying disks were all the rage back then, even Hollywood was getting in on the deal. You know they came from Mars. And all those other retro movies.

I retro cinema e days. When everything in the sky that people saw out of the corner of there eye, was flying Frisbee, and all such stories were found out to be mistaken and it was just a weather balloon.

At this point? Is it secrecy? Does it even matter? It will be like telling a 4 yr old that santa claus isnt real. It will shock there little minds, at that age they have no concrete data on just how hard it would be for a fat man, with a sack on his back. And a little ity bitty chimney to climb down and into, and how almost impossibly such a feat would be for this older much to much girth around the midsection, and possibly suffering from blood pressure issues, and carrying a bag to boot.

It would be impossible a feat to achieve. Much allone the actual logistics on what it would take to deliver in a night, to all the world on all timezone, there presents. Lets just say if Fed-ex UPS and the postal service got together. They probably. Could not deliver those many numbers of packages, all across the world, and all within a 12 HR period.

Just climbing down a chimney alone would take a fat man at least an hour or two. And he has literally hundreds of millions more houses to hit and deliver in the meantime.

Went a bit on a pageant here. But? Those old stories and conspiracy theory's are hilarious. But still not as hilarious as the whole Trump vs the world biggest caper ever, that happened last year. Now that was pure comedy. Almost as funny as wearing diapers everywhere they go, some even while driving, and all are wearing one on there faces.

Everywhere they go. Now? is the world not an amusing place?

a reply to: Foundryman

Your statement isn't true. Even our technology allows us to see beyond the visible spectrum. I own IR and thermal devices. Lots of people do. If the bogeys are "everywhere" we'd be seeing them on a regular basis.

Well # dude. If your using the same technology as the ones they had at Roswell when that flying saucer went down supposedly but it turned out to be just a mistaken weather balloon. The radar guys just mistook a fly on a screen for a real object on radar.

Then it may not be working all that great. You may want to switch to sending smoke signals from base to base.

Though IR technology was researched and developed by the US military and some tech companies in the 1947 or so. So your technology may just bet an old tinker toy downsized models, geared for the public market. But the tech itself nothing new, in fact its 70 years old.

And 20 years ago they were having trouble even conceiving of the idea of having a supercomputer in your pocket which can link you to the entire world digitally.

Again. Nothing but proof. That people are really #ty and pretty crappy of predicting the future. 70 years ago? Nobody across the world would have even fathomed the idea of a cellphone, for all they knew it was magic to even consider such a thing.

a reply to: NightVision

Well I just checked google and it says radio waves travel at 776 MPH. So if they were drones, and were being remote controlled by somebody elsewhere maybe miles away. These ships would be as fast or faster then there radar technology can register.

60,000 to 80,000 MPH is about the limit to anything covering that much distance in that amount of time. It really the only technology we have that would even catch something that fast. The human eye even has a hard time catching and focusing on even a baseball flying by there face.

Maybe from near orbit, you can capture if you had the technology or craft or whatever for something that fast, because that would cross continents in minutes at low orbits. From India to Iowa in minutes. Now that would be a hell of a fast travel trip. If it was a commercial travel flight.

it would take longer for all people to get on the plane. Then it would for the plane to fly from Iowa to India. So as soon as they got on the plane and sit down for a few minutes? They have reached there destination.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
Again. Nothing but proof. That people are really #ty and pretty crappy of predicting the future. 70 years ago? Nobody across the world would have even fathomed the idea of a cellphone, for all they knew it was magic to even consider such a thing.

Can you guess who said this 95 years ago? I suppose you don't have to guess with Google, but you seem to be getting some bad results from Google.

When wireless is perfectly applied the whole earth will be converted into a huge brain, which in fact it is, all things being particles of a real and rhythmic whole. We shall be able to communicate with one another instantly, irrespective of distance. Not only this, but through television and telephony we shall see and hear one another as perfectly as though we were face to face, despite intervening distances of thousands of miles; and the instruments through which we shall be able to do his will be amazingly simple compared with our present telephone. A man will be able to carry one in his vest pocket.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: NightVision

Well I just checked google and it says radio waves travel at 776 MPH. So if they were drones, and were being remote controlled by somebody elsewhere maybe miles away. These ships would be as fast or faster then there radar technology can register.

You got your wires crossed somehow. Radio waves travel at the speed of light in a vacuum, a little slower through Earth's atmosphere. What you found is probably the speed of sound at sea level with dyslexia since Wikipedia cites 767 mph though if you change some assumptions you can get different values:

The speed of sound is the distance travelled per unit of time by a sound wave as it propagates through an elastic medium. At 20 °C (68 °F), the speed of sound in air is about 343 metres per second (1,235 km/h; 1,125 ft/s; 767 mph; 667 kn), or a kilometre in 2.9 s or a mile in 4.7 s. It depends strongly on temperature as well as the medium through which a sound wave is propagating.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

You can use the exact same logic / math in reverse to posit that the human race is alone in the universe. In a nut shell, because the probability is so astronomically high the simple fact humans have not officially observed an ET is proof that ET doesn't exist, at least not in a way that humans can perceive.

My own personal belief is that humans are eternally selfish creatures in believing that we would even recognize an ET. ET's could have been right next to us for the entire existence of mankind and we'd never know it. ET would look upon mankind as an entertaining lark, one which needed physical lifeforms to embody their spirit. That mankind needed things like vehicles and roads, and cities, and houses and/or anything material would be a source of endless entertainment for ET. In fact, the notion that ET would have 2 arms and 2 legs, a torso and a head is almost a laughable concept, even to me!

You silly humans!

a reply to: Arbitrageur
Well ya. There going much faster then the speed of sound. Depending on how far and wide is your radar. From city to city? Or from India to new jersey.

Now we know most radar is not nowhere near as wide of a field to pick up objects that might be flying at or near them. The quote was cited at 60,000 MPh. Not 756mph. The blackbird jet is at 2,100 mph.

So ya the problem isnt what and how fast radiowaves can travel at. its more or less how fast can you pick up something that travels at damn near the limit of what the curent radars and technology exist and can even pick something up in real time which was going that fast.

So ya. Apples and oranges here. But lets just say, if true. You know they picked some blip in near earth orbit, then again same blip at sea level, before going bye bye. Its pretty dam fast, way faster then the blackbird jet thats for sure.

But hey. At this point, it may be that the biggest psyops in all of history may have been that space is a hoax, and we really do live on a flat earth. Pick you poison.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

No I was going by what they know about the observable universe. Though the term observable is lacking as there postulating and calculating on just how big everything may be.

And if everything that is if there really are 400 billion planets in the milky way system alone. And if they all formed around the same time when this galaxy and solar systems being formed like all the other solar systems, in around the same timelines some 5 to 10 billion years ago? Well, the chances that we are alone would be kind of at zero.

The lottery is still at one out of something like 300 million. With those odds, there is a winner or so they say, every once in a year. Now if the odds were to be one in 400 billion? Which are the odds that we are the only ones out there in the milky way?

Well, those are some very odd odds. Lets just say if the lottery were one in 400 billion instead of 300 million. Well, nobody alive will have a chance at winning the lottery if they played every day for the rest of there life's. In fact 400 billion is still much more then the total population of this planet.

So if there was a lottery with one in 400 billion of winning. Then if everybody on this planet played the lottery. There is still little change that anybody would win.

So as you can see. If space is really that big, that the question does something else exist out there, the anwer is yes, its statistically improbably that it would not. But then it becomes clear that either way it does not matter, were not fish in a sea. Were microbes in the sea. In fact, even microbes have a higher mobilty range in the sea then we do in our own solar system. So we just may be beneath microbes.

A microbe may see the other side of the ocean. We as a species are not likely to be around in the next few thousand years. And it would take, hundreds of millions of years even in the fastest things we can even conceive of on any realistic scale and sense, to even get to the nearest habitable planet.

That maybe at some point in all civilizations that exist in this galaxy. There comes a point were they go extinct. And so we never see anybody else. Space is that big to even cover that. I mean lets face it. Were not going to travel to mars any time soon.

Much less to some other place some tens or hundreds of millions of light years away. At this point. We and everything may as well be living in a simulated universe. Because there is a higher chance that someday we will built a supercomputer that can simulate and hook up every single living person on the planet into a matrix sort of deal.

Then there is that we would be able to travel to the nearest habitable planetary system which is 4.2 lightyears away. If we had a spaceship that was capable of taking and flying people at 60,000 mph, even to get to the closes habitable zone would take a ridonculous long time.

Think NASA once calculated that to get to proxima b is about 6 trillion miles away. So, basically going even at 60,000 MPH chances are that a new planet and solar system has formed in the place of the one which we originally were going to has long since vanished on the way there.

So ya. There is some high shenanigans going on. And it just may be our whole reality is a hoax. But hey. UFOs, trump, and all that. I wonder what Justin bieber thinks of UFOs. People should ask him. Because he is just as likely to know and tell you the mysteries of the universe as any of us are.

After all were all just meat and water sacks, who are only around for not even a cosmic eyeblink.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
Is it really a wise thing to do, from the point of view of the crew of the naval vessels, and most especially the F-18 pilots, to drop them into such a situation, unaware of what they're really up against, unarmed, and if this scenario is in fact true, all of the personnel would've have been deceived (by omission of fact) about what they were encountering.

The pentagon denies that they would test new technology against their own forces without telling them they were doing that. In fact we can cite cases where such tests have been announced. But, that's not the best test of a technology which is designed to baffle or confuse the enemy, and in such a case you might not want to announce the test.

John Greenewald Jr of the Black Vault doesn't believe the pentagon that they would always announce a test of new tech against their own forces, especially if it's just some radar-spoofing tech that's not that dangerous, why not? I tend to agree with him on that point, that it's a possiblity. Whether or not that's what happened, I don't know. I also think it's a possibility for the more recent drone sightings near the channel islands. The Navy owns one of those islands and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they had Navy Seals using drones for training in recon of potential targets. In fact if you read the article on that, it's one of the first ideas that occurred to the Navy investigators, that the drones could be from US military forces, where one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing, especially if the drones are new technology that's compartmentalized, they won't tell everyone what they are if they are still secret. Not that their performance was that great in terms of speed, but they apparently had long air time for a drone.

I trust John Greenwald's opinions. If anyone were to have the ability to track down any documentation on such testing, it would be him.

It would make sense from a tactical POV to NOT inform personnel of what exactly they're up against, IF the goal is to gather the most realistic and authentic data on how the tech performs. I believe the US military has, in the past, subjected soldiers to this kind of blind testing of novel equipment/tech.

I think it's a really bad deal for the front-line personnel that would be unwitting participants in 'experiments' like this. I saw an interview with one of the F18 pilots that flew up against the TicTac. IIRC she was a female, and the interview was anonymous (they altered here voice and appearance). She seemed pretty unnerved when describing the encounter.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I saw what I saw. I am also not paid to post here. My mind is made up and I wrote my opinion. You wrote yours. As this is basically a conspiracy site you response is way way over the top. In fact it doesn't align with normal human behavior. So what are you concerned about.

Generally speaking when its so far out of the park its true as in a disproportionate response. That guy from NASA does that also. Thanks but I don't need your junk.

Being a alien must be quite boring. NO sex, speech, food and cant even take a dump. Telepathy, oh so exciting. Hence we have cattle mutilation, abductions, missing children and adults in the millions, demons and sleep paralysis.

Get real and deny ignorance.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

So heres another incident since your on a roll. My oh my look at all the text with pictures. Seems to me you wrote your responses in record time. Just as fast as those alien space ships.

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