Satan is the “ruler of this world"

a reply to: cooperton


It's not far away, it's right here, this planet.

Do. Not have done. Every time you touch a dollar, you, me, us, everybody in the rich countries we are the ones supporting the system of exploitation and oppression.
$In God we trust$
Which is my entire point the whole time.
You can't live in this world without having your share of evil. So what choice do we have? Suicide?
Your food, your car, your phone, computer, clothes... everything is part of it.
So why is God allowing a world in which you can't be good?

originally posted by: cooperton
Yes you both would prefer to be micromanaged and put in a cage to ensure nothing bad ever happens to anybody. you would prefer everything to be super safe for everyone and no one has the choice to ever do anything bad.

Nobody said that.

It's the most liberal stance I have ever seen carewemust take. I personally see the value in God letting his children have freedom and make their own decisions, and either reaping benefit or destruction based on what they choose.

Guess you just don't want to see the difference I pointed out.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Well, if I recall from my old church schooling, the Devil (aka Satan) has no particular control over the world unless you agree to it. Little thing called "free will" allows you to tell the Devil to go back to Hell, as well as whip him in an unfair fiddle competition to win a gold fiddle.

Satan is nothing to worry about. Worry about your own weakness.

Even more importantly, God allows Satan to have his way with us. When I learned this, it changed my entire perspective of "Father" God.

Our creator is who he is, not what we think with our limited abilty that he should be.
He is a god of justice, not fake justice or justice for some and not others.

We are receiving the wages of our sin which is death, but love comes in as the creator allows us this time in a fallen world ruled over by fallen Angels and the incredible gift of his Son a perfect person willing to give back what we cannot, the loss of the perfect first man and woman by their own free choice which left us all as sinners.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: carewemust

Even more importantly, God allows Satan to have his way with us. When I learned this, it changed my entire perspective of "Father" God.

A good dad doesn't pamper and spoil his kids. There has to be some sort of challenge. Trials are meant for developing a soul

Some of the "trials" father-God allows Satan to inflict are hideous. Look what Satan's puppet Hitler did.

Has it ever occurred to you that we know very little about our reality and what is best for us?
Have you read at least the new testament to see what Jesus says about these things?

a reply to: SeaWorthy
The point that you missed earlier, made by NightVision, is that all this is something you have been led to believe by the creators of your religion.

You don't really know if this is even true.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: SeaWorthy
The point that you missed earlier, [=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1284273/pg3#pid25818881]made by NightVision[/url], is that all this is something you have been led to believe by the creators of your religion.

You don't really know if this is even true.

Actually I do know it is true. There are a lot of things in this world that cannot be explained, one of those is that as the bible says Gods word is written in our hearts and our minds. If you make the decision to ask, not TELL God what is right and wrong, knock and he will open it to you but he will not if you do not honestly ask and keep asking to know his will not your own.

originally posted by: daskakik
"Yes you both would prefer to be micromanaged and put in a cage to ensure nothing bad ever happens to anybody. you would prefer everything to be super safe for everyone and no one has the choice to ever do anything bad."

Nobody said that.

I know, I was being hyperbolic so you would realize that God wants us to be free willed. From this free will there are benefits or consequences for actions. If life was just about being safe and minimizing harm it would honestly be horrible. No one likes an over-bearing dad.

a reply to: SeaWorthy
You basically described faith.

I don't knock people for having faith in whatever they feel is true but that doesn't mean they are correct.

You just repeated something written in the bible which leads you to believe your feelz come from god. That is circular logic.

originally posted by: cooperton
I know, I was being hyperbolic so you would realize that God wants us to be free willed. From this free will there are benefits or consequences for actions. If life was just about being safe and minimizing harm it would honestly be horrible. No one likes an over-bearing dad.

But nobody said anything against free will.

We could experience life with free will without the most diabolical character ever ruling over us. There is the difference that defies logic, which makes people question god's parenting skills.

originally posted by: Peeple

So why is God allowing a world in which you can't be good?

Our current condition is similar to the Babylonian captivity. We are allured by the riches and luxuries offered, and we become blind in this pursuit, while also destroying our surroundings as a side effect. Same thing with Egypt, you think a 40 hour work week for a mega Corp was God's plan? It's Egypt all over again. God wants us out, but we're reluctant to let go. Jesus himself could not convince most people to follow him out of the slavery of these abhorrent societal constructs.

These problems you address are actually due to people ignoring God's Law...

originally posted by: daskakik

But nobody said anything against free will.

We could experience life with free will without the most diabolical character ever ruling over us. There is the difference that defies logic, which makes people question god's parenting skills.

So do you want him to be overbearing or laissez Faire? What are you even referring to?? The actions and teachings of Jesus are the opposite diabolical.

originally posted by: cooperton
So do you want him to be overbearing or laissez Faire? What are you even referring to?? The actions and teachings of Jesus are the opposite diabolical.

Did you forget the topic of the thread, "Satan is the ruler of this world"?

Or what carewemust actually said

God allows Satan to have his way with us.

That isn't laissez faire.

originally posted by: daskakik

Did you forget the topic of the thread, "Satan is the ruler of this world"?

Right. He is ruler of this dark world. For those who want to find the light they follow the way of Christ out of Plato's Cave.

God allows Satan to have his way with us.

That isn't laissez faire.

Satan is overseer of the valley of death. As exemplified by the story of Moses, there is a way out of this bondage. You stay in Satan's world and then complain about all the darkness, and blame the darkness on God who in reality is the only way out.

a reply to: cooperton
And I pointed out that this set up isn't that same as a parent letting their kids learn life lessons on their own.

It is akin to placing them in the care of an evil person. That would be considered bad parenting.

There is no simpler way to explain it.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: cooperton
And I pointed out that this set up isn't that same as a parent letting their kids learn life lessons on their own.

It is akin to placing them in the care of an evil person. That would be considered bad parenting.

There is no simpler way to explain it.

We were given an instruction manual and the most powerful Spirit in the Universe. It is like a GPS that is constantly recalculating for us until we start listening and go along the way we are being guided. Those who continue to ignore the GPS fall under Satan's control

a reply to: cooperton
Right, so handing your child over to a pedo serial killer is cool as long as you hand them a "How to escape from a pedo serial killer guide" and a phone so they can google map their way home, Maybe throw in a couple of bucks for bus fare.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: cooperton
Right, so handing your child over to a pedo serial killer is cool as long as you hand them a "How to escape from a pedo serial killer guide" and a phone so they can google map their way home, Maybe throw in a couple of bucks for bus fare.

Bruv that's not cool, Satan's just a litigator... its presumptuous to think lawyers are Pedo's. Even Archangel Michael when defending the soul of Moses didn't say anything mean about Satan. People, on the other hand, now they have the real potential for all those nasty things you mentioned.

originally posted by: cooperton
Bruv that's not cool, Satan's just a litigator... its presumptuous to think lawyers are Pedo's. Even Archangel Michael when defending the soul of Moses didn't say anything mean about Satan. People, on the other hand, now they have the real potential for all those nasty things you mentioned.

Now you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

These nasty things are part of the world because it is satan's world. Some would even say that it is satan whispering his orders into these sick people's ears.

So, if you think that isn't cool, why would you be cool with the set-up that god put in place, when it is basically the same?

a reply to: cooperton

Damned be those people trying to survive? Damned be they for wanting a roof? What are you talking about? It's basic things you're required to have to be considered 'functioning' in our society.
If it wasn't what God wanted for us why the # is it happening?
I'm all for personal responsibility but what are we supposed to let go? The will to live?

a reply to: daskakik

We know from Genesis that God created this realm and gave us free will. A realm that can be seen as a pool of fire which is cruel and unjust. But here is the thing. We also have an indestructible soul that witnesses this life as a dream.

A dream that teaches us the true meaning of forgiveness when someone steals the closest things to our heart.

So whilst our reality might seem umbearable it would not be that, if it didn't have higher purpose. Perhaps we are already enlightened beings in the timeless realm. This realm designed so we can realize that enlightenment through our senses....

“When the soul wants to experience something, she throws out an image in front of her and steps into it.” Meister Eckhart

SeaWorthy I read all your comments. You have great insight. Thank You