Your apathy is appreciated

Henry Kissinger stated in 1994: "The New World Order cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change its perceptions".[52] Then on January 5, 2009, when asked on television by CNBC anchors about what he suggests Barack Obama focus on during the current Israeli crises he replied that it is a time to reevaluate American foreign policy and that "he can give new impetus to American foreign policy. [...] I think that his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a 'new world order' can be created. It's a great opportunity. It isn't such a crisis".

Wikipedia - New World Order


In the 1992 South African Apartheid Referendum which was limited to White South African voters, the majority voted 'YES' in a landslide victory to end the apartheid system.

As we all know the country was handed over to people, some trained in Russia, whose aim was to restore basic human rights, including the human right to dignity and equality, to all South Africans.

South African Apartheid Referendum


Sounds like a fairy tale right?

Although racism was prevalent in apartheid South Africa, stats indicate the majority of whites were not racist.

Americans, play the comparison game and soon you'll find out where your country is headed.


Here are some facts which if you dispute them, I urge you to do the research and see for yourself.

But first let's get this out of the way so it doesn't clog up the thread: treating people with a different skin color than yourself differently is wrong, whether you discriminate against or infantilise them like the left is doing.


Now here's the price we paid for doing the right thing:

South Africa is known as the rape capital of the world.

State run hospitals for all races went from being some of the most cutting edge in the world and free for blacks, to where they are now run down, dilapidated places where you basically have a 50/50 chance of dying.

Nurses will sit at their station on their cellphones while patients wallow in their own feces.

The murder rate in our country is higher than the number of deaths in wartime Iraq.

Our farmers are being brutalized before being killed more so than any other country on earth.

Our borders are open for illegals, and about a month before the 2010 soccer world cup dozens of those were burnt to death by angry black locals but iirc the world media squashed it.

Child trafficking is rampant.

There's a Nigerian in every middle class suburb cooking up drugs.


Criminals are catched and released for the most heinous of crimes such as rape.

Our gun laws have been rewritten to favor the criminal in housebreaking circumstances.

Affirmative action has led to insane levels of corruption.

Our education system has become a joke requiring a 30% pass rate.

The ruling party continues to blame White South Africa for all its failures, 27 years after they took over the reigns.

Our energy grid is collapsing, the whole country is on a loadshedding schedule so as an example yesterday my area had no electricity from 18:00 to 20:30pm.


You want to know what our nickname is?

We are called 'The Rainbow Nation'.

We have quotas in sport. A certain number of players in a team has to be black.

Recently while our former president Jacob Zuma, trained in Russia, was in power a very powerful Indian family he has intimate ties with launched an attack on our treasury in an attempt to take over.

Our military went from being one of the most respected, and feared, to the joke it has become.

I could go on but you get the idea.


Now look at globalism and the New World Order.

Look at what England has become.


If you are an American and are wondering where this is all headed, I have some bad news for you.


Equality and equity on a global scale means crush the middle class, and divide the world between poor people in a lawless situation and an elite class living like gods.

Welcome to the future.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Join tribe Red if you like, f# their future, not going to happen... oh wait, sorry, was I meant to be apathetic?

a reply to: 19Bones79

I'm pretty certain that South Africa's problems are more due to the government putting in place passive policies rather than active ones.

They took a largely uneducated community that was used to having to struggle to survive and imagined that if you took the racism out said community would suddenly become an educated middle class without any help.

Which they evidently didn't.

One problem (racial segregation) was addressed, but none of the others were.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I'm pretty certain it's because they are run by the same a holes that run everyone else.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I really don't see apathy as the problem. Rather, the opposite, albeit misguided. Systems are challenged, and reforms are inplemented, because there are problems that need to be addressed. That's not apathy. The problem is that the people who see the problem and demand the change (usually from the inside), cannot see the appropriate solutions and are too easily convinced to support any change simply for the sake of change itself.

No thought to the law of unintended consequences.

No thought to being careful for what you wish for.

No thought to jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

No thought for dealing with the Devil you know rather than the Devil you don't know.

People do care. People do want better. People do want to do what's right.

But that won't happen as long as we're just throwing out labels and lumping large groups of people together. So many labels for what's wrong -- The New World Order, The Illuminati, The Bilderbergs, The Trilateral Commission, The Deep State, The Swamp, TPTB, The Communists and The Socialists and the Marxists and so on -- but we really only need to focus on what is right. It's not about who takes our power, or why, or how. It's only about taking our power -- our freedom, our free will, our autonomy, our Natural Rights. Doesn't matter what it's called. Doesn't matter how it's rationalized. Doesn't matter who wants to do it or why.

If/when people understand the principles and value of Natural Law and Natural Rights, then they can figure out what's wrong with everything else -- no labels needed. Our only focus on what is wrong should be to put in terms of what is right instead.

Sadly, very few people understand Natural Law and Natural Rights, and that our Constitution and rule of law was intended and designed according to Natural Law and Natural Rights. And it's on "both" sides. Left and right, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican.

It's not apathy. It's just ignorance.

a reply to: primalfractal

I’m pretty certain it’s because of corruption, every country signed up to the UN is corrupt and part of the NWO. It’s not coming, it’s already here.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Yea your right it's here, and has been for a while. They are about to start the next level Borgdor theme park though. That will require pushing people into a corner, and you know what they say about that.

19Bones79:

Look at what England has become.

In your own words, please elaborate on what England has become, as opposed to what it was in your eyes?

Apathy is simply a disinterest to participate, and it is innate in all peoples of all countries. No exceptions. There will be a percentage of people in all countries who will want to make a stand and push back against perceived wrong-doing by their government, but a much larger percentage will not, for reasons of their own, participate. They just want to keep their heads down and live their lives in the least troubled manner that they can, even when all around them is going to hell in a hand basket.

a reply to: Boadicea

People do want to do what's right.

But that won't happen as long as we're just throwing out labels and lumping large groups of people together. So many labels for what's wrong - The New World Order, The Illuminati, The Bilderbergs, The Trilateral Commission, The Deep State, The Swamp, TPTB, , The Communists and The Socialists and the Marxists

It's all the same group of people, and it's a large group, some groups are - A holes, there I fixed the labelling problem.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Typical apologist reply. Where in South Africa are you based?

a reply to: primalfractal

Are you Fred Durst from Limp Wristed?

Cool beat man, I like it.

a reply to: Boadicea

Ironically enough I believe your reply validates my statement.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
19Bones79:

Look at what England has become.

In your own words, please elaborate on what England has become, as opposed to what it was in your eyes?

Apathy is simply a disinterest to participate, and it is innate in all peoples of all countries. No exceptions. There will be a percentage of people in all countries who will want to make a stand and push back against perceived wrong-doing by their government, but a much larger percentage will not, for reasons of their own, participate. They just want to keep their heads down and live their lives in the least troubled manner that they can, even when all around them is going to hell in a hand basket.

In my own words, England has become a #hole.

I think it was the mayor of London that said these type of attacks are now a normal part of daily life.


The last part of your reply is just an ostrich with its head buried in the sand.

If you surrender to the situation but you prefer it differently then you are apathetic.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: 19Bones79

I'm pretty certain that South Africa's problems are more due to the government putting in place passive policies rather than active ones.

They took a largely uneducated community that was used to having to struggle to survive and imagined that if you took the racism out said community would suddenly become an educated middle class without any help.

Which they evidently didn't.

One problem (racial segregation) was addressed, but none of the others were.

I largely agree with your points here, with the exception of "active" vs "passive" policies,

I am curious what constitutes an "active" policy withe respect racial politics? Does that have anything to do with skewing government aid and social assistance programs based on race? For instance, providing more debt assistance for farmers of a certain race, or suggesting that medical vaccines be prioritized by patient's race? Isn't this manner of policy a manifestation of the racially biased government programming from the past? Won't this unequal treatment breed resentment among other races with similar plights and problems as the "protected" race, but with lower priority for care?

In the context of Western society, the communities that thrive and take advantage of the unique upward social mobility in the US are the communities that promote education at an early age, that promote dual parent families, that promote family planning and look down on childhood pregnancy, that promote reading & language fluency, that promote heightened focus on STEM in their children's curricula, that treat athletics as a complimentary enrichment activity and never allow it to surpass learning in the classroom, that expel with prejudice any elements from the culture they consume, movies, music that promote criminal activity or anti-social behavior. I could go on and on and on.

As I have raised my children, watched work colleagues raise their children, and now as I begin to watch young adults enter the work force in my company, the patterns I see are that communities that pay attention to the items above produce well-educated, polite and productive young adults. In my career concentration (IT), the transplant communities in the US that stand out are Asians (Chinese, Japanese), Central/South Asians (India, Pakistan), most European communities.

All of the above communities entered the US as minorities in one respect or another. With the exception of some Europeans, non of the above communities are demographically members of the "white" population.

None of them were granted special dispensations, extra help, or given any kind of manual or instruction pamphlet "American Dream 101: How to Make It for Dummies". They figured it out on their own, as they went along.

Success and affluence in the US is earned, opportunities seized; these are not given, awarded, granted by anyone, certainly not the government. In a capitalist system the government is there to ensure everyone an equal chance, it's not their to actively help or enrich certain members of society.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Eloquence and maturity of thought such as you display brightens my day and enriches this thread.

originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: Boadicea


It's all the same group of people, and it's a large group, some groups are - A holes[b/], there I fixed the labelling problem.

That works! You did fix it!!!

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: Boadicea

Ironically enough I believe your reply validates my statement.

Quite the cryptic remark. Hmmmmm.....

But even more ironic, if you think that's true, then in a way yours validates mine as well.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: primalfractal

Are you Fred Durst from Limp Wristed?

Cool beat man, I like it.

Haha, music makes the would go round...

Good thread

Think you and Boadicea are both correct, people are generally apathetic and ignorant, I'd also say spineless.
But I do think there is also lot of folks who have true hearts, and will do the right thing when faced with a clear choice, the right or the wrong path, when it goes down to the wire.

a reply to: Boadicea

Here's how I see it. You describe people as ignorant from your point of view.

It's common even for myself to not entrust people with realizations I've made.

We have this awareness, but other people don't.

I disagree to some extent.

I think people know right from wrong but now politics has introduced emotional payback and for the time being, that's all that matters.

We've all fallen prey to shortsighted gratification in hope the next score will be one for our side.

We have become so divided that we don't care anymore.

If one side embraces 'BAMN' it's kind of hard to keep it clean. The fight got way too dirty and the current referee implemented it.

We have become mouthpieces for various rich people and all bets are off.

Meanwhile the boat is sinking but the first one who blinks loses. So we sink.

In that way, we have become apathetic to ourselves, our opponents and what's really at stake.

Could people come together and force our representatives to grow up and focus in the tasks at hand?

Yes I believe we can.

Why are we not demanding an end to the kindergarten theatrics?

Because deep down we believe we are powerless.

Nobody is going to do a damn thing about it.

But oh how we wish we could.

19Bones79:

The last part of your reply is just an ostrich with its head buried in the sand.

Words, words, words. No substance, no elaboration, just a subjective opinion. I take it you are going to change the world? Good luck with that. You ain't going to do it by being an armchair warrior. You are just as apathetic as everyone else, because you are going to do nothing, because there is nothing you can do.