Two Arrested in Assault on Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, Who Died After US Capitol Riot

originally posted by: neutronflux

How many military personnel and law enforcement officers go through tear gas/CS gas trying every year?

I have no idea, but it should be every single one of them. I'm not saying the bear spray killed him. I'm just saying that the fact that they have not yet been charged with murder, doesn't mean that they won't eventually be charged with murder.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
That said, I think assault is the smarter charge. Due to the hectic nature of the day I think it's going to be almost impossible to prove who was ultimately responsible for Sicknick's death.

This is the crux of it. They can definitely get a conviction for one thing, and people can believe one way or another how Officer Sicknick died afterwards. The fact is these guys are caught on tape, assaulting officers (including Sicknick).

If love you see it. Would you mind providing a link to the men assaulting the officer? Thanks!

The articles say that they have video evidence.

Well that settles it then.

The articles say they have video evidence.

Case closed...

It is evidence to try someone in court. See when you charge someone you need to have evidence, which can include testimony or other types of evidence like video, or audio.

Who said anyone was guilty?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
a reply to: StoutBroux

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Until they can come up with a cause of death, it will be difficult to pursue a murder charge. Let's face, some things aren't black and white. Here they have video, specific actions, a deceased victim who was alive in a medical care facility before expiring and they STILL can't figure out what killed this LEO. So much for science.

And even an assault conviction will land them in prison for the maximum because of who was assaulted and the circumstances surrounding this particular assault.

Plus they can always wait until a later date to charge them with murder, if they somehow eventually come up with the evidence to 'prove' that the bear spray was the cause of death.

How many military personnel and law enforcement officers go through tear gas/CS gas trying every year? With how many fatalities.

The officer’s death is a tragedy.

But... I am still convinced the officer had a pre-existing health condition that should have prevented from doing more than administrative work. And why the medical “evidence” is being glossed over now.

That's the issue. But since we now have charges against people who were directly involved with him in the melee the truth should come out.

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
a reply to: StoutBroux

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Until they can come up with a cause of death, it will be difficult to pursue a murder charge. Let's face, some things aren't black and white. Here they have video, specific actions, a deceased victim who was alive in a medical care facility before expiring and they STILL can't figure out what killed this LEO. So much for science.

And even an assault conviction will land them in prison for the maximum because of who was assaulted and the circumstances surrounding this particular assault.

Plus they can always wait until a later date to charge them with murder, if they somehow eventually come up with the evidence to 'prove' that the bear spray was the cause of death.

How many military personnel and law enforcement officers go through tear gas/CS gas trying every year? With how many fatalities.

The officer’s death is a tragedy.

But... I am still convinced the officer had a pre-existing health condition that should have prevented from doing more than administrative work. And why the medical “evidence” is being glossed over now.

That's the issue. But since we now have charges against people who were directly involved with him in the melee the truth should come out.

What will change regarding the medial evidence before the trial. Either the spray caused the death, or is did not.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Until they start charging people from other "protesting" groups after police are actually killed, I refuse to take any of this BS serious.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
a reply to: StoutBroux

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Until they can come up with a cause of death, it will be difficult to pursue a murder charge. Let's face, some things aren't black and white. Here they have video, specific actions, a deceased victim who was alive in a medical care facility before expiring and they STILL can't figure out what killed this LEO. So much for science.

And even an assault conviction will land them in prison for the maximum because of who was assaulted and the circumstances surrounding this particular assault.

Plus they can always wait until a later date to charge them with murder, if they somehow eventually come up with the evidence to 'prove' that the bear spray was the cause of death.

How many military personnel and law enforcement officers go through tear gas/CS gas trying every year? With how many fatalities.

The officer’s death is a tragedy.

But... I am still convinced the officer had a pre-existing health condition that should have prevented from doing more than administrative work. And why the medical “evidence” is being glossed over now.

That's the issue. But since we now have charges against people who were directly involved with him in the melee the truth should come out.

What will change regarding the medial evidence before the trial. Either the spray caused the death, or is did not.

That is what will change.

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
a reply to: StoutBroux

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Until they can come up with a cause of death, it will be difficult to pursue a murder charge. Let's face, some things aren't black and white. Here they have video, specific actions, a deceased victim who was alive in a medical care facility before expiring and they STILL can't figure out what killed this LEO. So much for science.

And even an assault conviction will land them in prison for the maximum because of who was assaulted and the circumstances surrounding this particular assault.

Plus they can always wait until a later date to charge them with murder, if they somehow eventually come up with the evidence to 'prove' that the bear spray was the cause of death.

How many military personnel and law enforcement officers go through tear gas/CS gas trying every year? With how many fatalities.

The officer’s death is a tragedy.

But... I am still convinced the officer had a pre-existing health condition that should have prevented from doing more than administrative work. And why the medical “evidence” is being glossed over now.

That's the issue. But since we now have charges against people who were directly involved with him in the melee the truth should come out.

What will change regarding the medial evidence before the trial. Either the spray caused the death, or is did not.

That is what will change.

How.

a reply to: VinMan

Yeah I am getting tired of that excuse.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: BrokenCircles
a reply to: StoutBroux

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Until they can come up with a cause of death, it will be difficult to pursue a murder charge. Let's face, some things aren't black and white. Here they have video, specific actions, a deceased victim who was alive in a medical care facility before expiring and they STILL can't figure out what killed this LEO. So much for science.

And even an assault conviction will land them in prison for the maximum because of who was assaulted and the circumstances surrounding this particular assault.

Plus they can always wait until a later date to charge them with murder, if they somehow eventually come up with the evidence to 'prove' that the bear spray was the cause of death.

How many military personnel and law enforcement officers go through tear gas/CS gas trying every year? With how many fatalities.

The officer’s death is a tragedy.

But... I am still convinced the officer had a pre-existing health condition that should have prevented from doing more than administrative work. And why the medical “evidence” is being glossed over now.

That's the issue. But since we now have charges against people who were directly involved with him in the melee the truth should come out.

What will change regarding the medial evidence before the trial. Either the spray caused the death, or is did not.

That is what will change.

How.

What I think you're missing is that this isn't about his death. It's about an assault on the three officers named. What would change is if they can tie the assault to his death ie did it directly or indirectly cause his death. As of now we just have news reports. The trial will provide some answers. If they get convicted of assault (which according to what the media say by having video will likely happen) ten they won't be directly implicated as the cause of his death and that will be the official answer.

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Skooter_NB

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
That said, I think assault is the smarter charge. Due to the hectic nature of the day I think it's going to be almost impossible to prove who was ultimately responsible for Sicknick's death.

This is the crux of it. They can definitely get a conviction for one thing, and people can believe one way or another how Officer Sicknick died afterwards. The fact is these guys are caught on tape, assaulting officers (including Sicknick).

If love you see it. Would you mind providing a link to the men assaulting the officer? Thanks!

The articles say that they have video evidence.

Well that settles it then.

The articles say they have video evidence.

Case closed...

It is evidence to try someone in court. See when you charge someone you need to have evidence, which can include testimony or other types of evidence like video, or audio.

Who said anyone was guilty?

I apologise if I confused you for a member of the pubic court of opinion.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

Two men have been arrested and charged with assaulting U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who collapsed after responding to the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and died the next day.

Julian Elie Khater, 32, of State College, Pennsylvania, and George Pierre Tanios, 39, of Morgantown, West Virginia, were arrested Sunday and are expected to make an appearance in federal court Monday. They are charged with conspiring to injure officers and assaulting federal officers, among other charges, according to the Department of Justice.

The men are accused of assaulting Sicknick and two other law enforcement officers with some type of bear spray. They have not been charged in Sicknick's actual death.

Source

First things first, these men are not being charged with Sicknick's death.

Honestly I'm kind of surprised. I figured due to the high profile nature of the case prosecutors would be pressured to go for the more serious charge. That said, I think assault is the smarter charge. Due to the hectic nature of the day I think it's going to be almost impossible to prove who was ultimately responsible for Sicknick's death.

Obviously this will still need to go to trial but it sounds like they have these guys on video using bear spray on officers. I won't be surprised if they end up going away for a long time.

This will be one to watch for updates.

Monday, April 19, 2021

UPDATE:

The medical coroner finally released Brian Sicknick's cause of death today...approximately 45 days after he died.

Sicknick died of NATURAL CAUSES: www.cnbc.com...

Congress may have set a precedent by shutting down to attend the funeral of a Capitol Police officer who died of natural causes.

They (and the liberal News Media) wanted so badly to believe that Brian Sicknick was murdered at the hands of a Trump supporter, to counter the murder of Ashli Babbitt by a (still unknown to this day), Capitol Police Officer.