Never-before-seen video of the attack on Al Asad Airbase

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: SaneThinking

They are there to keep the peace between the locals that want to kill each other
Iraq is missing a government that care about its people and want to build a better country
A country that is not ruled by religion and personal opinions.

These soldiers sign up to keep peace and order, not to start wars.

If they leave now, new terrorist groups will form and civilians will die left and right. And they will bring hate and chaos to all over the world.
They need order before they can rebuild, and ignoring that will cause us all problems

Apologies, Al-Assad air base is in Iraq, but the attack was in retaliation for the US drone strikes in Iran.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Kocag
I found it odd that the news caster failed to mention that the killing of their general was a retaliatory attack. He made it seem like we did that for who knows why.

Because 60 Minutes is nothing but a Democrat propaganda platform. Notice the way he started out the segment. "The poisonous relationship with Iran that Biden inherited from the Trump administration."

As if Iran was nothing but an upstanding member of the international community before Trump came along. It's not like they're responsible for the murder of thousands of Americans or anything.

Trump was no pacifist. He escalated overseas violence compared with previous administrations. They just didn't call it war. Is it war if you kill non-combatants indiscriminately?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: SaneThinking

They are there to keep the peace between the locals that want to kill each other
Iraq is missing a government that care about its people and want to build a better country
A country that is not ruled by religion and personal opinions.

These soldiers sign up to keep peace and order, not to start wars.

If they leave now, new terrorist groups will form and civilians will die left and right. And they will bring hate and chaos to all over the world.
They need order before they can rebuild, and ignoring that will cause us all problems

This was in Iran.

This what was in Iran? The attack was not in Iran the US troops are not in Iran.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: SaneThinking

They are there to keep the peace between the locals that want to kill each other
Iraq is missing a government that care about its people and want to build a better country
A country that is not ruled by religion and personal opinions.

These soldiers sign up to keep peace and order, not to start wars.

If they leave now, new terrorist groups will form and civilians will die left and right. And they will bring hate and chaos to all over the world.
They need order before they can rebuild, and ignoring that will cause us all problems

This was in Iran.

This what was in Iran? The attack was not in Iran the US troops are not in Iran.

Apologies.

The drone strikes, that were being retaliated against, were in Iran and in Iraq.

The attackers were Iranian-backed Iraqi forces.

The missiles were alleged to be Iranian ballistic missiles.

The Ain al-Assad air base is in Iraq.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: SaneThinking

They are there to keep the peace between the locals that want to kill each other
Iraq is missing a government that care about its people and want to build a better country
A country that is not ruled by religion and personal opinions.

These soldiers sign up to keep peace and order, not to start wars.

If they leave now, new terrorist groups will form and civilians will die left and right. And they will bring hate and chaos to all over the world.
They need order before they can rebuild, and ignoring that will cause us all problems

This was in Iran.

This what was in Iran? The attack was not in Iran the US troops are not in Iran.

The drone strikes that were being retaliated against, were in Iran. The attackers were Iranian-backed Iraqi forces. The missiles were Iranian ballistic missiles and the Ain al-Assad air base is in Iraq.

Soleimani was in Iraq at the Baghdad Airport when he was killed.

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: SaneThinking

They are there to keep the peace between the locals that want to kill each other
Iraq is missing a government that care about its people and want to build a better country
A country that is not ruled by religion and personal opinions.

These soldiers sign up to keep peace and order, not to start wars.

If they leave now, new terrorist groups will form and civilians will die left and right. And they will bring hate and chaos to all over the world.
They need order before they can rebuild, and ignoring that will cause us all problems

This was in Iran.

This what was in Iran? The attack was not in Iran the US troops are not in Iran.

The drone strikes that were being retaliated against, were in Iran. The attackers were Iranian-backed Iraqi forces. The missiles were Iranian ballistic missiles and the Ain al-Assad air base is in Iraq.

Soleimani was in Iraq at the Baghdad Airport when he was killed.

Yes. Iraq also claims to have shot down American drones operating within Iranian borders. And in 2019, Trump ordered drone strikes directly against Iran.

Also, Trump cancelled the release of information regarding drone strikes, casualties and killings, so we have to take Iran's word (and pictures etc) on what was going on there.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
The tonnage of explosives wasn't much more than what a single bomber in WW 2 would be dropping. Imagine hundreds of planes dropping their loads of death in the course of a few hours. Today's warfare is lightweight by comparison and it was mostly civilians who took the brunt back then.

I've often wondered about the pilots. How they feel when someone's sniper kill count is boasted of. They probably have a pretty good idea how many lives they snuffed out. In the end though ... it's just a job.

originally posted by: TXRabbit

originally posted by: ntech

Actually Trump was trying to bring everyone home but Democrats. But......

was too busy escalating drone strikes exponentially in Afghanistan.

There. I finished it for you

Except it would be near on impossible to perform more drone strikes than Nobel Peace Price winner Obama, what a joke.

a reply to: Snarl

In the end though ... it's just a job.

Yes and no to some extent. Air to air you are doing everything you can to get your guns or missiles lined up for a shot before the other guy does the same to you. It is as much about machine against machine as it is pilot against pilot IME.

Air to ground it is usually about stopping the designated bad guys before they have a chance to stop you and yours; justified without hate or angst.

A friend of mine just got back from Nigeria. One of the workers walked outside the gate and because he was not a member of the local tribe he was hacked to death by 3 guys with machetes. Everywhere most of the guys went they went with guards, but even at that, the guards would run away if things got serious. Big Big bucks could be made if you survived...

If someone/country calls you the great Satin and unworthy of life should you try to evaluate their upbringing and why they think and hate you the way they do ? Should you stand by and do nothing as 3 guys with machetes approach you as they fan out to cut important pieces of your body off; I think not !

The Soi Boy, so called civilized people, have no idea just how mean and ugly many places of the world are and can be.. Religion, skin color, wrong neighborhood, you name it and the end result can be the old rape, pillage, and plunder scenario which can and will be brought down upon ones head in as little as a heart beat.

Snarl I replied to you only because you were the last entry.... I know I am preaching to the choir with you for you have left your back yard and city and have seen stuff in many places that a book will never explain..... So the reply is not directed to you but to the Soi Boy's who know everything because they have been told white is black and 2+2 is 5 .

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Why is that?

Because history bothers you?

1991 Kuwait oil fields are destroyed by Iraq due to Amerikan slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields.

2001 Weapons of Mass DISTRACTION were not found and no link to the Amerikan Government’s propaganda war against the world for the events of 2001 destroy a country to fill the pockets of Halliburton and steal and incorporate as a secured Amerikan interest the resources of IRAQ

And I’m dribbling what.

Sorry your willing to forget your countries Terrorist history as the worlds police yet don’t forget there is 7 billion plus of us to remind you EVERYWHERE

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: SaneThinking

They are there to keep the peace between the locals that want to kill each other
Iraq is missing a government that care about its people and want to build a better country
A country that is not ruled by religion and personal opinions.

These soldiers sign up to keep peace and order, not to start wars.

If they leave now, new terrorist groups will form and civilians will die left and right. And they will bring hate and chaos to all over the world.
They need order before they can rebuild, and ignoring that will cause us all problems

This was in Iran.

This what was in Iran? The attack was not in Iran the US troops are not in Iran.

The drone strikes that were being retaliated against, were in Iran. The attackers were Iranian-backed Iraqi forces. The missiles were Iranian ballistic missiles and the Ain al-Assad air base is in Iraq.

Soleimani was in Iraq at the Baghdad Airport when he was killed.

Yes. Iraq also claims to have shot down American drones operating within Iranian borders. And in 2019, Trump ordered drone strikes directly against Iran.

Also, Trump cancelled the release of information regarding drone strikes, casualties and killings, so we have to take Iran's word (and pictures etc) on what was going on there.

They also attacked drones operating in international airspace. They tried at least a few times. Once they missed the shot and the next time the drone was being escorted by F-22's. This intercept was by old F-4's and an F-22 suddenly appeared on their wing told them to go home. They did.

We don't have to take Iran's word for anything. They lied about their nuclear weapons program and will lie about anything if it suits them.

a reply to: chr0naut

Well you asked the question.
But Iran is a sovereign country. Why are US troops there? What are they defending, and who are they fighting against?

The why and who they are defending is Israel. The problem is this. If Iran managed to get a few atomic missiles working and then used them on Israel then it's pretty much the end of the world for a lot of people. What will happen is Israel then uses their Sampson option and they nuke as much of the middle east as they can. Oil wells, ports, and pipelines. Also Mecca and Medina turn into smoking craters. Then gas and oil prices go crazy as everyone realizes that middle eastern oil production is probably offline for years.

A massive world wide depression hits as gasoline and diesel go over $100 a gallon. Transportation grinds to a halt as it's simply too expensive to ship anything. Then widescale famines break out as the grocery stores empty. Rioting, looting, and martial law goes into effect. Then the grid fails as the fossil fuel power plants run out of fuel. If the grid fails then 90% of the population is dead inside a year.

Lastly then there is the problem of a nuclear winter. A couple hundred nuclear explosions in the middle east may be enough to cause one. If that does happen then 99.9% of the population is SOL. No crops, no food, subfreezing temps, etc. Extinction Level Event. Except for maybe a few thousand that managed to get to underground facilities before it all breaks down.

Then in 5-15 years the atmosphere will clean itself and the surface will become habitable again. A brave new world.

That's why the US is over there now. To stop crazed Iranians who think they can survive the end of the world.

originally posted by: SaneThinking
a reply to: AutomateThis1

Your retard children still sign up too follow orders, your government is supposed to be elected by you, you the people don’t make a fuss, weapons manufacturers run your economy, can’t let a good bomb go to waste.

Amerika is war, without it the country is a failure.

As soon as the Amerikan dollar is eradicated maybe these wars for control of others resources can end, till then you keep
“bringing those troops home” 👍

Since that’s why Iraq and Libya and Syria are in shambles, something about gold dinar and the worthless Amerikan dollar 🤔

SaneThinking

Canadian soldiers are also over there. You are the very terrorist you despise after all. (Using your logic)

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: TXRabbit

originally posted by: ntech

Actually Trump was trying to bring everyone home but Democrats. But......

was too busy escalating drone strikes exponentially in Afghanistan.

There. I finished it for you

Except it would be near on impossible to perform more drone strikes than Nobel Peace Price winner Obama, what a joke.

You'd think so given all the wars Obama started and his mass use of drone strikes but Trump comiteed four times as many as Obama in half the time. He also ordered more drone strikes in Yemen than the combined total of Bush and Obama. Trump renamed new wars 'areas of active hostilities' so he could start four of them while claiming he supported peace.

The rules of engagement were also broadened to make it easier to target civillians which led to more deaths of women and children in drone strikes than of enemy combatants so the military was ordered not to stop reporting such figures as it may impact on them negativvely.

Drone Stats - Bereau of Investigative Journalism

I imagine Biden will end up laucnching even more drone strikes than Trump and killing more civillians if he makes it 4 years; there'd certainly been no slow down in the drone stikes so far and the US is highly unlikely to leave Afghanistan in a couple of months as it'd be height of the Spring offensive and the Trump admin opted to negotiate their withdrawal agreement with the Taliban refused to speak with the elected Afghan government.

a reply to: SaneThinking

Afghanistan (which Canada was part of) was a legal war in 2001. The illegal Iraq war based on WMD claims that were known to be fabricated by 'Curveball' was in March 2003.

Empires and superpowers havve relied on the war machine to maintain authoritarian control of geo-politics for thousands of years. When the US fades another country will take up the mantle rather than the practice dissapearing. It's a human trait not one that's unique to the US or Americans.

When put in comparison with previous empires and super powers they're one of the more peaceful and ethical. European empires were far worse and comitted war crimes on a far greater scale - doesn't make the war mongering behaviour right but there's certainly been far, far worse in worlf history.

a reply to: SaneThinking

Why is that?

Because history bothers you?

Why is what?
History? You think having zero military would make things wonderful?
Are you an infant? Once people mature they get the big picture, there is not a country in the world that does not oppress another nor a people that does not oppress another, every race has been enslaved at one time or in some way.
The only thing having no military does it make sure it is your own nation and People on the receiving end.

Oh by the way they have spell check online now.

a reply to: SaneThinkingYou will never know how much that I would love to meet you in person!

Your attitude is the same as the American soldiers experienced after the Vietnam War! You want to indict the soldiers for what they were ordered to do and not the government who sent us there!

You must be one of those who run their mouth while soiling your trousers... all comment and no action.

I will not reply or comment further because you have no merit or standing.

a reply to: SaneThinking

You are the terrorist!

We leveled Iraq and Saddam for less.

Iran will get their due.

If you know ANYTHING about the psyche of the USA, then you will know, Iran is on the chopping block. It is just a matter of time.

Will we have learned from our mistakes, and be ready to supplant a new and functioning govt after? Probably not, but we can hope.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: 727Sky

What do you think drone strikes are like?

The USA has carried out thousands of drone strikes killing more than 14,040 and injuring more than 20,823 before this retaliatory strike.

Honestly, most of the injured and dead in this conflict are victims of two evil regimes, duking it out.

But Iran is a sovereign country. Why are US troops there? What are they defending, and who are they fighting against?

What happened was Iraq wanted nato forces to leave the withdrawal was started under Trump, Several basses were turned over to the IDF ( Iraq defence force). Then they quickly realized they didnt have the training to handle the basses and combat ISIL on their own. So they ran back to NATO begging to get training for their troops. NATO agreed to assist them in training and troops were drawn down to current levels about 2000. IDF controls the basses and NATO occupies part of the base for continued training. When Iraq decides they no longer need help the final withdrawal will occur. Though they just files another request at the beginning of april to extend training so Biden has a decision to make.

I think Americans and Russians should leave the region to Iranians and Saudis to manage.If everybody recognizes each other as a major player and respect the mutual interests in the area, only then there will be a hope for a better more united and peaceful ME in the future.