Denmark's HALT of Astrazeneca vaccine due to blood clotting could be a political tool

A total of 187.000 Danes have received the Astrazeneca vaccine so far.

Today the use of said vaccine has been halted indefinitely while the board for medicine analyses the trends that have appeared.
So far a total of around 10% of vaccinated citizens have reported side effects. It's not clear to the public yet how many of these are
blood clots, but blood clotting is in fact the reason that the vaccine has now been taken out of circulation.

This was done immediately, so the vaccines centers that solely relied on Astrazeneca has been closed as of now.
The move comes shortly after the Danish PM went to Israel to strike a deal along with Austria to make a vaccine factory with Israel... a very curious move that noone understands.

This has futher more cause the Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen to go live and state that the end date for full vaccination has been move all the way to end of August.
This is 1-1.5 month later than previously estimated.

The halt of Astrazeneca comes after the Danish Board For Medicine as late as mid Febuary was out in public stating that they believed that the vaccine was safe.

I wonder what this will do to the public trust in vaccinations. Mine is definitely damaged....

According to the Danish Board of Medicine, the choice of halting Astrazeneca comes after 5 other countries have done the same, due to blood clotting shortly after receiving the vaccine.

These countries are:

Austrie, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg and Latvia.

What is interesting is that Denmark along with Austria recently was on a charme offensive to Israel, to strike a deal between the three countries about building a vaccine factory for future use.

It's not many years ago that Denmark sold it's own public vaccine factory, WAY too cheaply to an arab oil sheik.
His money has lifted the factory to modern standards and even before the Danish PM went to see Netanyahu, the factory in Denmark, which has Danish specialists and a Danish CEO, came to the PM with a concrete offer of the exact same thing.

The public was never informed about this offer... instead, we are more or less told that the collaboration with Israel is desireable.

A lot of people up here are wondering what the Danish PM has sold to Israel in return for such a collaboration.

Israel doesn't need Denmark... and any deal is ALWAYS a question of win / win. So what has Mette given Netanyahu that we are not being told?

My guess is A LOT of data...

The Danish PM stated as reason for her talk with the infamous Israeli PM, that Israel have done most well in terms of vaccinating its population. They are vaccination experts.

However a lot of people, but the public, experts and politicians were quick to ask how Israel could be considered "experts" when they have not made a single vaccine themselves.
They have however very adeptly used their religious influences to obtain a prejudistic benefit over many other countries with their deal with Pfizer...

Nepotism never seizes to exist.

a reply to: flice

There seems to be a growing number of EU countries halting the vaccination programme.
Let's hope more countries do this with the amount of reactions people are reporting.
If this was any other vaccine for another type of virus tested on a far smaller population size, the human trial would have stopped immediately and taken back into the lab as they have done with past vaccines.

Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: flice

There seems to be a growing number of EU countries halting the vaccination programme.
Let's hope more countries do this with the amount of reactions people are reporting.
If this was any other vaccine for another type of virus tested on a far smaller population size, the human trial would have stopped immediately and taken back into the lab as they have done with past vaccines.

Rainbows
Jane

Yes, but the game has turned very muddy now.

Up until recently the CEO of the Danish Board Of Medicine has been very positive about everything the government has done... been a good lad.
Earlier this week, he announced that he stepped down to become Senior Vice President of Novo Nordisk.

Apart from that, I just found out that the EMA earlier has conducted their own analysis on Astrazeneca and found that they could not corelate the vaccine to the cases of blood clotting.

And lastly. None of us are ever shown the figures that these reports from the government are based on. If I wanted to, I could never confirm or affirm that these blood clotting cases has even taken place.

So you see... we are trapped in this game. Facism is on the rise in Denmark and it's a "Big Pharma" friendly type of facism.

Next issue... with vaccinations being halted and deadlines delayed till after the Danish summer holiday. I wonder how my Danes will look upon vaccine passports as a good thing.
From my point of view they do nothing more than discriminate people.

I wish they published some data on this but it’s possible. If this is happening in older population groups they could be responding to the adenovirus in the vaccine because they have had multiple natural exposures to adenovirus over their lives. This could cause blood clots, some people form clotting factors with adenovirus, and antibodies that recognize the virus could be forming aggregates with whatever the virus is touching. The body is going after the vaccine because it recognizes adenovirus from previous natural exposures.

It would’ve have been cheap and easy to switch an adenovirus vector used in cancer or neurological studies to express coronavirus spike protein. These studies usually consist of animals never exposed to adenovirus so it works great. Out here, adenovirus is everywhere so someone is bound to recognize aspects of the external structure. What stinks is they won’t even develop decent immunity, the body will wipe the viral vector and reprime itself for external adenovirus proteins instead of the coronavirus spike protein DNA, adenovirus uses DNA, that is supposed to be injected into our cells to generate RNA and then protein.

Maybe it would be better suited for the young population groups since they could have more limited exposure to adenovirus and wouldn’t have this reaction. It could be another infection or something else causing it as well.

Reminds me of the BCG vaccine, which doesn’t work in older people because they already have natural exposure to mycobacterium and wipe the attenuated vaccine lacking a secretion system that helps TB infect us before it can replicate, using preexisting recognition sites from the natural exposure instead of sites that would better correspond to a TB infection.

Not to worry, the EMA is on the case, ahem, ahem (sarcasm). They will give their advice later in the afternoon.

What does it say about the situation when I already know ahead of time that the EMA will report that they can establish no causal relationship between the vaccination and blood clotting (with absolute certainty)?

Long live the Agnostic Code whenever convenient:


Go on, practice it...

Is there a causal relationship between the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clotting?

"We don't know."

Is there a causal relationship between the vaccines and death?

"We don't know."

Do the vaccines stop viral transmission?

"We don't know."

What are the long term side effects of vaccines?

"We don't know."

Are the unknown rewards of the vaccines worth the unknown risks?

'Yeah man, they're soooo worth it, absolutely yes, no doubt about it; look at these ex-presidents all taking it and saying you should too because it's the best and only proper way to deal with this pandemic.' [double standard detected]

That being said and ending my cynical question-answer routine, I don't think that in this particular case there is a causal relationship, based on what little data that was given and I've seen about it. I guess "we don't know" is still an honest answer, but I also guess it's still more likely that there is a causal relationship between vaccination and death than a causal relationship between vaccination and blood clotting. Guessing is all I can do given the missing details in these sort of reports provided by unreliable sources who haven't been honest about the effectiveness of HCQ + Azithromycin + zinc + vitamin C + D3, for a year now (or the marketing campaign against this alternative treatment and in favor of vaccines instead).

The patient who caused the Astra to be halted was a 60-year old in the health care sector who died from blood clotting shortly after having received it.

In Denmark, Astra has mainly been used to vaccinate in healthcare. Of course there are few citizens as well. At the moment we have been focusing on weakly persons like elderly and people with a risk of a bad outcome if sick from corona.

One another note:
EMA just went official that they have greenlighted the Janssen vaccine under Johnson Johnson.

However Moderne just delayed Denmarks 2 million vaccines as well...

Surprise, surprise.

AstraZeneca being the black sheep to bring down the flagship.

Same shady mother#ers that took children and blackmailed parents into going into their "volunteer" studies.

I knew as soon as I saw AstraZeneca getting a free pass from responsibility that people were going to be harmed.

They still doing that "volunteer" study on actively contracting Covid and just seeing what happens?

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Maybe it would be better suited for the young population groups

Do you mean the young population groups that have ZERO risk from Sars-CoV-2 and shouldn't be experimented on with a ruched vaccine that clearly has problems?

The EU has made a complete hash of the vaccination programme. They, the EU, has picked on AstraZeneca, both through spreading false rumours and acting like the Mafia. The EU is trying to divert attention. Picking on a British company is them trying to be clever.

The AZ vaccine has been administered millions of times in the UK. No significant problems reported.

originally posted by: paraphi
The EU has made a complete hash of the vaccination programme. They, the EU, has picked on AstraZeneca, both through spreading false rumours and acting like the Mafia. The EU is trying to divert attention. Picking on a British company is them trying to be clever.

The AZ vaccine has been administered millions of times in the UK. No significant problems reported.

Yup, I had my first Covid jab earlier this week; AstraZeneca was given as it's the one with the least risk of side effects or allergic reaction.

There's been one death out of 15m+ AZ vaccines, there's no evidence the death or couple of dozen clot cases are due to the vaccine as the incidence rate is lower than the normal background rate.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: paraphi
The EU has made a complete hash of the vaccination programme. They, the EU, has picked on AstraZeneca, both through spreading false rumours and acting like the Mafia. The EU is trying to divert attention. Picking on a British company is them trying to be clever.

The AZ vaccine has been administered millions of times in the UK. No significant problems reported.

Yup, I had my first Covid jab earlier this week; AstraZeneca was given as it's the one with the least risk of side effects or allergic reaction.

There's been one death out of 15m+ AZ vaccines, there's no evidence the death or couple of dozen clot cases are due to the vaccine as the incidence rate is lower than the normal background rate.

I hear you... and not saying this isn't the case because it very much could be.

The way Covid has dragged out now, it was inevitable that it would turn into a political tool. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in government chambers.

Incidently, it's election year for regional politics over here. Lots of balls to juggle for them right now.

They have analyzed the case of the dead woman and found that something with Astra is off...

There was indeed blot clotting, but their findings were unlike anything you would typically find in cases of a blood clot.
You see there wasn't just one or two clots, there were many, in both small and large vessels, along with hemorraging and low amount of platelets.

Norway has discovered the same conditions in their cases.

Danish health care experts call this "high irregular".

It would seem that Astra for some people is definitely not safe to use.

EMA and other boards of medicine in EU countries are initiating their own investigations to see how wide spread this is.

originally posted by: flice
They have analyzed the case of the dead woman and found that something with Astra is off...

Who has "found"? Blood clots are not as uncommon as people think, so this is probably coincidence give the very small numbers involved - 30 clots of which a couple have been fatal with >5 million doses in the EU. I wonder what the normal rate of blood clots is? Significantly more doses of AZ given in the UK and nothing reported.

The EU are just being over-cautious and trying to find reasons why their vaccination programme is so poor. Crass politics.

Ireland gave the same reason, which is worrying.

This is the one I had, luckily i had no adverse side effects beyond tiredness and vertigo.

a reply to: paraphi

There does seem to be some anomalies regarding this even though there have been relatively few reports. In Norway one health care worker in her 30's died about a week after receiving the vaccine. As far as I know, it's not confirmed that she indeed died from blod clotting. Three other health care workers, noted as relatively young, are in serious condition due to blod clotting. These have also received the vaccine. No underlying conditions as far as they have told us pleebs.

Ok, so this could be any number of things (like birth control pills etc. for women). But there seems to be a combination of blod clotting, skin haemorrhages and a low amount of platelets. This combination of conditions plus their young age has caused some alarm. But if this actually does have a connection with AstraZeneca then why aren't more people dropping?

I'm not trying to sway anyone either way here, just reporting what's in the news. Some doctors are quite worried. Hopefully this has nothing to do with the vaccines and we can continue on our merry way.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: flice
They have analyzed the case of the dead woman and found that something with Astra is off...

Who has "found"? Blood clots are not as uncommon as people think, so this is probably coincidence give the very small numbers involved - 30 clots of which a couple have been fatal with >5 million doses in the EU. I wonder what the normal rate of blood clots is? Significantly more doses of AZ given in the UK and nothing reported.

The EU are just being over-cautious and trying to find reasons why their vaccination programme is so poor. Crass politics.

The Danish Board of Medicine. They approve all medicine that wants to find its way into Denmark. Of course EU made a mass approval of the Vaccines, because they felt like they didn't have a choice.

In reality, ALL vaccine programs right now are mass scale Phase 3 tests...

When the Board of Medicine call it highly irregular, it would be based on what they are used to seeing in blot clot cases.
And also a note, that is important. The Danish Board of Medicine showed approval of the Astra vaccine as little as one month ago. So I don't think they are trying to justify anything. This will only cause them more problems.

Holland joins the ranks of halting the use of the Astra vaccine.

originally posted by: Skeletonized
a reply to: paraphi

There does seem to be some anomalies regarding this even though there have been relatively few reports. In Norway one health care worker in her 30's died about a week after receiving the vaccine. As far as I know, it's not confirmed that she indeed died from blod clotting. Three other health care workers, noted as relatively young, are in serious condition due to blod clotting. These have also received the vaccine. No underlying conditions as far as they have told us pleebs.

Ok, so this could be any number of things (like birth control pills etc. for women). But there seems to be a combination of blod clotting, skin haemorrhages and a low amount of platelets. This combination of conditions plus their young age has caused some alarm. But if this actually does have a connection with AstraZeneca then why aren't more people dropping?

I'm not trying to sway anyone either way here, just reporting what's in the news. Some doctors are quite worried. Hopefully this has nothing to do with the vaccines and we can continue on our merry way.

3 healthcare workers under 50, all had blood clots within a week after the first Jab.

The director of the Norwegian Legemiddelverket scolded Astrazecas statement that "their vaccine is safe based on evidence". He said they had no just cause to state that.

Also, he said that increased amount of younger people experienced hemorraging in the skin after the 1st jab. This could be a sign of low amount of platelets and could also be causing internal hermorraging.


Maybe in relation, maybe not. There's another thread on Pfizer vs Israel in regards to the increased number of deaths after they began vaccinating. Of the findings could show that there is a correlation between being infected but asymptomatic at the time of the 1st jab.
Noone is testing for corona before the vaccine... not here atleast, it's just given.

But the findings so far show that, if you are infected, the adminstering of the 1st vaccine jab could challenge the already weakened immune system, cause a psytokine storm and lead to pneumonia and possibly death.

So... if you are offered the vaccine. Get a test and answer a day or two beforehand to be safe.

originally posted by: Nivhk

Same shady mother#ers that took children and blackmailed parents into going into their "volunteer" studies.

Wait, what?

You can't come and post a claim like that with absolute ZERO to back it up!

a reply to: paraphi

The naturally occuring background rate of clotting is 30. The Oxford/AZ vaccine rate has been 14 and Pfizer rate was 15 in trials so rates are roughly half what the naturally occuring levels are.

I wonder if other countries have the same patient safety screening measures as the UK - Everyone is asked prior medical history and if they're on blood thinning medication when Drs choose which jab is safest in the UK (though patient can choose which one they'd prefer).