My God

It is not wise to act without thinking beforehand. My god, before ("before" taken logically, not chronologically since time was not before creation) creating the heavens and the earth reflected.
No wise individual would omit, at some point, to reflect on his own self. My god's reflection on his own self is his first reflection because he is all wise. Another consequence of his being all wise is that this introspection reflects perfectly its thinker: this introspection is my god's essence.

When you make something you first conceive it. You need a plan to build your house. On the other hand, conceiving needs not your prior conceiving that conception: it is direct, it is a concept: it is your son because you don't need a plan to product your son.
My god's essence i.e., his concept is his son: Jesus.
So I have to admit that my god is Jesus. But "is" is to be taken in the sense of predication not "=". Think of "this flower is red": that flower isn't = red because that flower is a space-time object while "red" is a concept.

So I can boldly claim with Paul that Jesus is the express image (essence) of his (my god's) person. But I cannot easily accept that Jesus = the Father because e.g.,

no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. (Matthew 11.27)

i.e., only my god knows his son which thing is obvious once one realizes that the son = my god's essence because knowing the son means to recognize one's self in my god's essence and this only my god can because you would hardly expect somebody other than you to recognize his self when you utter "I", you only recognize yourself when you so utter. But only through my god's essence can you know my god because you know no thing except through its concept*.

Now unlike everything else, my god's essence is not before ("before" as before i.e., taken as logical precedence) its object (my god) because my god did conceive it, he thought it. A flower's concept, on the contrary, precedes that flower. Also unlike many concepts, my god's concept (Jesus) isn't dead (the concepts of number, of a circle etc. are dead: they can be grasped in a finite lifespan) because otherwise man could know my god in a finite lifespan but this isn't the case. Indeed:

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. (Exodus 33.20)

If man should see him (i.e., know god most high) and live it would mean that god most high would be known by man in a finite lifespan. For this you need life eternal:

And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17.3)

My god's essence, his concept, his son has life in himself; why? Because my god's name (essence) is "I AM" (Yahweh) i.e., his "I" contains his existence.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (Exodus 3.14)

But since my god's name, his essence is "I AM", his chief property is that he exists, that is he is Existence, the Rock. Hence my god, the Father, is in his Son because Existence is implied by its essence and the Son is in the Father because my god did conceive his Son in his mind by introspection, by reflecting on his self.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. (John 14.11)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with [the] God, and the Word was God. (John 1.1)

That the Word (Logos) was God means that "God" i.e., the concept, the essence of [the] God is that Logos.

Jesus is that un-created mathematical & conceptual realm, the Logos, the "I" of my god (but not he to whom that "I" applies, that is the Father, and yet it applies to Jesus i.e., rationally one cannot distinguish between Father and Son), the only thing giving true joy.

The Son of Man is the shadow of the eternal i.e., prior to creation Son of God. The creation of the heavens and the earth needs a prior plan according to which that creation should proceed. A plan is a concept, we need this creation's concept. Now this concept is to be found in the conceptual "space" i.e., in the eternal Son of God, in my god's essence, in the Logos. So, that essence has to be analyzed if one wants to discover the concept of the shadow of the eternal, of God's garment, of creation:

I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end. The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee. (Psalm 102.24-28)

This eternal analysis of the concept of God i.e., the slaughter of the Son of God for creation's sake is shadowed by the Son of Man's sacrifice for Adam's (Man, Earth) sake. Jesus is

the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13.8)

In particular the Son of Man's death and rising from the dead shadows the eternal reduction ad absurdum "if God doesn't exist then God exists".

* To see God is to be God and not to be God, for God is already beyond you: death by contradiction.

1John 5:7

There are three witnesses in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and all three are one.

Proof of the Trinity.

27 March 2021 is 14 Nisan.....Lord's last supper. Those who are baptized (by the Trinity) are required to attend every year. No excuses.

a reply to: Sheshbazzar

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
1John 5:7

There are three witnesses in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and all three are one.

Proof of the Trinity.

27 March 2021 is 14 Nisan.....Lord's last supper. Those who are baptized (by the Trinity) are required to attend every year. No excuses.

a reply to: Sheshbazzar

Rationally, intellectual, by thinking on God, one cannot distinguish God from his essence: the concept of God is perfect to the point of "being seated on the same throne" as its object i.e., the concept of God applies to itself, is a reflexive concept and thus Jesus and his Father really are one.

Jesus knows the Father, to know the Father is to be the Father for only the Father knows Himself. That Jesus reveals the Father to somebody means deification, to have the name of God written on one's forehead, to be God, and yet not to be God.

This can be made obvious: when you talk or think about God, you still are only dealing with a word, a concept, namely "God". If you were to say that you're really speaking about God, not about the word "God", I will answer that God without the quotation marks is still a word.

I know that the Father and the Son are equal, I see it, but I do not believe it. I know the truth, that Father and Son are One but still I believe what, when expressed in thoughts or words, is a contradiction.

Faith is taciturn, reason is voluble.

a reply to: Sheshbazzar
The father is seeing.
The son is the appearance.

The seer and seen are one.

That's everything and nothing.

Word is of the appearance ..... words make stories about someone.

Someone that lives outside of what is happening.......is a story.

There is just what is happening......nothing appearing as everything.

a reply to: Sheshbazzar

It is not wise to act without thinking beforehand. My god, before ("before" taken logically, not chronologically since time was not before creation) creating the heavens and the earth reflected.

This is very interesting. It made me think.

And the question I have is this.


Why would a being that knows all that was, is, and forever will be ever need to reflect?

And how do you reflect within the moment from outside of the moment and therefore becoming part of the moment itself indicating this is not all that ever was,is or will be?


I only need a brief explanation if you can.

a reply to: 19Bones79

God's name isn't quite "I AM", it is rather "I become."

This is disconcerting and blurring even more the line between Existence and Essence. But how could it be otherwise? Reason can advance* only in a stepwise fashion, one sees only surfaces of objects, you have to capture them from various sides, likewise one eats bits by bits. (I say "likewise" because eyes are two mouths, the eyeballs being fruits of Wisdom and Life. What one sees is merely the hallucinogenic taste of the eyeballs. Eyebrows are moustaches.) In like manner one breathes in steps. ("In like manner" because the nose is a mouthless face the eyes of which are the nostrils. A Jewish nose clearly exposes their having tasted the forbidden fruit which got stuck in their throat/dorsum.)

Have you heard of the late 19th cent./early 20th antinomies in set theory? They are solved by not admitting a set of all sets. This is the reflection principle: if you think that you finally got to the "All", you haven't: it is merely a mirage (what is called a "model"), and the walk continues.

So there is neither beginning nor end or else it is beyond comprehension, beyond reason, beyond the intellectual: I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

What reason gets only step after step, tacit, despised, belittled faith attains completely.

* Reason doesn't "advance", we are really walking backwards. The real advance is blind, the back of the head is Japheth's and Shem's covered face as they approach the tent of God.

a reply to: Sheshbazzar

Wow. If I order a side salad and someone brings me chicken wings I'm not going to complain.


Know what I mean?

What follows was sent a while ago to a French speaking forum. The material is perhaps unsuitable, yet I feel compelled to post it. A compromise: "sorry for the French."

Quel est le plan du "Tout"? Pourquoi un ciel, une terre, pourquoi tant d'imperfection?

Imagine un homme, Michael et une femme, Eve au ciel. De même figure toi un homme, Adam et un serpent, Satan sur terre. Le serpent en a marre de mordre la poussière et décide d'assagir l'homme, de le discipliner, de lui révéler certains secrets d'en haut, d'en faire une demeure à la mesure de son ego sans borne: ce ver, dis-je, veut une belle pomme où établir ses quartiers.

Eve, en femme qu'elle est, fait de la pomme l'objet de son désir: le fruit est distingué par ses qualités morales et propre à augmenter la connaissance. Le ciel, en la personne d'Eve, se rue comme une truie dans cette fange d'Adam et le "mange" avec sa vagina dentata. Michael ne supporte pas la fornication et "circoncise" Adam de cette Eve qui tombe à terre un dégoûtant prépuce.

Adam se retrouve ainsi au ciel et qui y est caché? Oui, le ver Satan: la pomme était bien empoisonnée. Michael, par compassion pour Eve se jette dans le néant, il descend sur terre, s'offre en sacrifice, le soleil se couche: il est l'homme Jesus, l'agneau de Dieu et mon Dieu: le sacrifice matinal, l'étoile Absinthe.

Restent alors Adam (l’armée du ciel, les étoiles) et Satan (la lune) au ciel, le monde sombre dans la cruauté, se mécanise, se pourrit de doctrines fantaisistes, de médecins, d'astrophysiciens ou d'astronautes tandis qu'Adam se féminise à cause du confort et de l’oisiveté dont il jouit au paradis (rappelons aussi sa circoncision), observant le Samedi du Seigneur. Satan de son coté a la conscience qui le ronge, il est pris de remords et tel Judas se suicide, il retombe sur terre, il est le chevreau, le sacrifice du soir, l’étoile Abaddon.

Pendant ce temps cette androgyne d'Adam, sans un bâton serpentin pour le ramener à la sobriété, à la raison, a achevé de s'engraisser et se féminiser: il est maintenant une femme, une vierge à l’immoralité inouïe, une transsexuelle.

Satan, sur terre, sait ce qu'il lui reste à faire, il s'agit de mettre un point final à ce monde. Comment s'y prend t-il? De façon semblable au début, en châtiant les hommes, en transmutant cette poussière en or en leur révélant le message qu'a laissé la premiere étoile, Jésus, qu'il lui est donné de déchiffrer. Adam est prise de passion pour les humains de bonne facture, ceux qui sont son antithèse, et les mange ou boit leur sang: le ciel et la terre sont alors un, ils s’anéantissent l'un dans l'autre et de cette relation, de cette guerre (poignarder un homme ou déflorer une vierge, dans un cas comme dans l'autre les partis receveurs sont détruits et saignent) naissent un nouveau ciel et une nouvelle terre.

Le nouveau ciel a 2 femmes cette fois, son grand père en avait une moitié: l'Adam et l'Eve hérités des précédents terre et ciel, Michael est là-haut et le serpent est ici-bas avec un nouvel Adam à discipliner car la poussière ne manque pas...

Quel est le but de cette folie qui de génération en génération c'est-à-dire de monde en monde, se perpétue? Ce procès a pour fin, pour limite jamais atteinte le Dieu qui n'est donne complètement qu'à la foi aveugle et irrationnelle. Michael et Gabriel (car Satan est Gabriel), les deux frères, le Double Dragon, se tuent à louer par la raison leur père.

Ils le font de mieux de mieux parce que de ciel en ciel il y a de plus en plus de femmes. Ces femmes sont les propriétés ou qualités de Dieu, elles parlent de Dieu, chantent Sa gloire par leur beauté. Jésus c'est-à-dire Michael est le Soleil, l'or, le hébreu, le grand prêtre qui étant humble réussit l'impossible traduction, pas à pas, monde après monde de foi en raison. Satan ou Gabriel est la lune, l'argent, le goy, le scribe, il prend note, écrit l'histoire sans fin qu'il voit en Jésus. Ce livre est femmes, aucune digne d’être femme de Dieu.

The Double Dragon: www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Sheshbazzar
Truth is you never move.....you are stillness.

It is the scenery that is appearing to move.

Are you seeing??

The backdrop can be overlooked......

Who has God?

God is the silence behind thought.

Thought is in front of the silence......


Silence/stillness/peace/spaciousness is always present.....always here (because it is what you truly are).

Thought produces ideas about other than what actually is......

a reply to: Itisnowagain

"And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah? And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave." (1 kings 19.9-13)

a reply to: TzarChasm

Man's purpose is to become a beautiful vessel in a more and more splendid Temple of God. A man's good qualities describe i.e., praise God.

“50% discount on all apple products for a week in March”

Average person - “MY GOD!!!!!”

There ya go fixed it for ya.



reply to: Sheshbazzar

originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
a reply to: TzarChasm

Man's purpose is to become a beautiful vessel in a more and more splendid Temple of God. A man's good qualities describe i.e., praise God.

That can be your purpose, if that's what you choose. But never decide what another's purpose should be.

originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
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Jesus knows the Father, to know the Father is to be the Father for only the Father knows Himself.

Ezekiel 36:23

‘I will certainly sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

Jeremiah 31:34

“And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares Jehovah. “For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”

"To know the Father is to be the Father"? That makes no sense whatsoever in light of these examples. And I could give a bunch more.

John 17:3 (KJV, Jesus in prayer to his God)

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

That text alone already makes a distinction between the only true God (Jehovah) and Jesus Christ (His Son, whom God has sent). Jesus, the Son of God, was sent by his God and Father, as Jesus himself clearly says here and elsewhere.

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Eph 1:3; 2Cor 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3). No matter how many times the Bible makes a distinction between Jesus and his God, who is also his Father, I guess for some people it'll never be enough to just accept what it says without trying to forcefit their favored theological traditions based on rather shoddy interpretations and the twisting of Scriptures taken out of context.

“Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like this.” (Mark 7:13)

“speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant* [Or “untaught.”] and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)

For example, this verse:

While conveniently ignoring these:

And these:

He is a liar! (part 1 of 2) (playlist with more on the subject)

Your statement also boils down to claiming that Jesus is the Father, because "Jesus knows the Father", and according to you, "to know the Father is to be the Father for only the Father knows Himself." Which contradicts your OP, in spite of your attempt to hide that contradiction with your commentary about:

But "is" is to be taken in the sense of predication not "=".

Cause you're not using "is to be" to introduce a predicate in that sentence. You're not expressing an action, state, or quality by a grammatical predicate. You're talking about Jesus actually being "the Father" (an individual, with which you are referring to Jehovah God, God Almighty, the only true God), not just any father, not a father (a quality, rather than a specific individual).

1 Timothy 6:20,21

Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.” By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith.

May the undeserved kindness be with you.

Jesus was created by his God and Father, Jehovah. Actually, he is “the firstborn of all creation,” “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14) Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son.

That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.​—Joh 6:56, 57.

You said:

So I have to admit that my god is Jesus.

“They exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated* [Or “worshipped.”] and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.” (Romans 1:25)

Jesus is part of "the creation", having been created by his God “as the beginning of [God's] way, the earliest of [God's] achievements of long ago. From ancient times* [Or “From time immemorial.”] [he] was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, [he] was brought forth,* [Or “brought forth as with labor pains.”] when there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, before the hills, [he] was brought forth, when [God] had not yet made the earth and its fields or the first clods of earth’s soil. When [God] prepared the heavens, [he] was there; when [God] marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters, when [God] established the clouds above, when [God] founded the fountains of the deep, when [God] set a decree for the sea that its waters should not pass beyond his order, when [God] established* [Or “decreed.”] the foundations of the earth, then [he] was beside him as a master worker.[He] was the one [God] was especially fond of day by day; [he] rejoiced before [God] all the time;” (Proverbs 8:22-30; because of the way I started my sentence, I had to fill in where it's referring to God and where it's referring to Jesus in his prehuman existence. I probably should change the start of my sentence so I don't have to do that but whatever, probably won't make much of a difference for you in how you understand this text and which 2 individuals it is referring to anyway.)

biblehub.com...

All shall know God? That is what the post in French says, men, sooner or later (the 2nd death is metempsychosis, not nirvana) are to know God, but to know God is to be God for only I knows I. (Interestingly, I, ya in Russian, io, je in French etc. sound like Jah.)
The gods, elohim of the nations are but these "ye are gods."

I and the Father are One.

Jesus, the Christ, the Word of God, the Wisdom of God, the self-knowledge of God conceived by the unending introspection of my God, the self-applying i.e., reflexive essence of God, God as impressed on the intellect, as given to reason. My God, the Ouroboros, the Serpent biting its tail i.e., speaking and thus knowing itself, the head sacrificing the cursed tail on the tree, the Double Dragon, the cloven tongue of God*.

* What I say, what I think, is the truth. What I believe cannot be said without sin, without contradiction. Faith is the antithesis of reason.

P.S.: the Holy Spirit is the fallen Satan. Yes, the fallen Satan. To wish to go to heaven, you must be blind.

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

That text alone already makes a distinction between the only true God (Jehovah) and Jesus Christ (His Son, whom God has sent). Jesus, the Son of God, was sent by his God and Father, as Jesus himself clearly says here and elsewhere."

...and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

You should read the French/censored post.