Senate Votes Trump ‘Won the Election in a Landslide’

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
"Senate Votes Trump ‘Won the Election in a Landslide’ After Hearing Evidence Presented by the House"

Why isn’t this thread title in headlines instead of ‘Senate Votes Trump Not Guilty of Inciting an Insurrection After Hearing Evidence Presented by the House?’

As Trump’s Defense lawyers pointed out many times, the Article of Impeachment was flawed in that it violated Rule 23 which says the Article of Impeachment shall not be divisible.

They argued there was more than one charge properly before the Senate within the single Article of Impeachment. That meant their ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’ vote applied to ALL of the charges…or NONE of them. They argued it violated Trump's due process rights and even asked that it be remedied by separating the charges for the vote.

The Senate barreled on anyway. They didn't vote separately on the charges.

In reading the Defense's written response, there were actually only two charges the Defense agreed were ‘properly’ before the Senate:

1.) Inciting an Insurrection

2.) Making false statements (Trump's statements he “won the election in a landslide’ and his specific claims about election fraud in his rally speech, which were incorporated by reference)

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The legal effect of the House leaving it to the Senate to determine if Trump’s statements that he won the election (and won in the disputed states) were false, was found to be Constitutional when the Senate voted to proceed with the trial. The House presented their argument and *cough* evidence that Trump’s claims were factually incorrect.

But, the Senate did not find the House had proven Trump’s claim he “won the election by a landslide” was factually incorrect, therefore the House failed to prove that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the election, too.

Congress skipped the process of hearing and debating the electoral count objections for reasons unrelated to the grounds of the objections -- the 'violent insurrection.' In doing so, they deprived millions of innocent voters an important legal remedy and due process, and they abrogated the protected right to make their/our votes effective. So the objections needed to be formally and properly decided by Congress.

Impeachment was the method the House chose to decide the issue and they placed it in the Senate’s hands.

I suspect this was the main objective of the Impeachment and why the House snuck it in there. They were trying to ‘legitimize’ the election via an Impeachment.

Anyway, Congress can’t go back now and divide the verdict into ‘not guilty of incitement' and ‘guilty of making false statements.’

I’ll close with Trump’s Defense Response to the allegation that he made false statements (their oral arguments are a worth a look, too).

The Senate found in favor of this argument.

Not Guilty.

Because the senate didnt vote that Trump won in a landslide.

originally posted by: Soulece

Because the senate didnt vote that Trump won in a landslide.

How do you know why each Senator voted guilty or not guilty?

The Article of Impeachment was not divisible for purposes of voting. It was all or nothing.

If he had been found guilty, you better believe Nancy would be screaming on every news channel that Trump was found guilty of making false claims about the election and inciting a riot.

We'd be hearing about 'the big lie' 24/7...that's what the House hoped with their argument. They wanted the soundbytes.

Objections to the verdict are not in order according to Impeachment Rule 23. The Senate can't go back now and vote he was 'not guilty' of inciting an insurrection, but 'guilty' of making false statements that he won the election in a landslide.

And the Courts can't decide the Senate was wrong when they voted his statements were not 'factually in error.' It's a political question.

originally posted by: darkbake
Trump's own lawyer admitted that Trump lost the election and that it wasn't rigged during the impeachment trial when he noted that Trump was voted out of office and that the people already decided to remove him and that he didn't need to be impeached. I saw him say so live on TV.
...

Because the lawyer decided to say that it doesn't mean it's true...

You can't deny the discrepancies that were seen. The fact that many people whom voted had a vacated address... Cats and dogs voted. So did dead people... Your CHINESE masters sent trucks full of already filled in ballots from New York to Pennsylvania... Voters from outside Georgia were told to change their address to Gerorgia and later they could change again their addresses back to where they live, and this is ILLEGAL... Independent and mostly republican observers were not allowed to verify millions of votes...

You can try all you want to deny these, and many other facts but you are only LYING.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"This is ground control to major where's your proof?"

"You've really made the QAnon grade"

"And the papers want to know whose pseudoscience shirts you wear"

"Now it's time to leave the capsule and return to reality if you dare"

Your only lying to yourself ElectricUniverse, good luck with that.

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: mikell

Lol, my timeline is extremely intact. Trump was spreading the lies about election fraud that directly lead to the assault months before the assault. He was the one who told them all to come to Washington D.C. on January 6th. And he already knew how violent his supporters were after the assault on the Michigan state capital earlier last year. All of that happened WAY before anyone stormed the capital.

And look what happened to those that did - they got charged and arrested, and not pardoned by Trump or any of that. Trump threw them under the bus.

Enjoy your leader! Have fun!

I'm glad President Trump irritates you.

I will probably vote for him in 2024 because of that fact.

I would be willing to vote for someone else as long as he is hated by both parties. I #ing hate Republicans but not as much as I hate Democrats.

Have a great day.

a reply to: BenjanonFranklin

Correction, that's ""ex-president"" Trump.

Have a beautiful 4 more Biden and Harris shaped years. x

a reply to: Sookiechacha



" ....that Joe Biden won, in the early hours of January 7th, after Trump's "patriots" stormed The Capitol and tried to stop the certification from happening. "


And what FANTASY Novel did you Dig that up from ? DENY IGNORANCE , and Embrace Truth instead of Lies Man............

It would be a large conspiracy to do this in all states, but in saying that, suspicious changes to the rules of verification before the election happened. In Pennsylvania, for example, the courts changed the rules of signature verification for send in ballots. This meant that a reviewer could allow a ballot through even if the signature did not match the one on the voter registration roll. If there was an effort to commit fraud, then someone could forge a name belonging to someone else and send it in to be counted. My issue. in the states, nobody actually checking mail in ballots are coming in legitimately from that household with people there!

The best evidence I have seen was in Georgia. The Fulton county, state election director Richard Barron announced on the evening of the 4th of November around 140,000 ballots got counted in total. The next statement was very curious and got very little news coverage online. He said from 130,000 ballots put through the scanner owned by dominion- around 116,000 ballots failed to be read by the computers in the voting hall. How that's even possible? Over 90 percent of the ballots required verification?

The systems are installed to count votes but in very high numbers, could not tag and register voter intent on the ballot in that county, least for me a red flag. This clear anomaly never been discussed and analyzed and clarified to my knowledge on CNN or MSBC and I wonder why not.

An obvious election issue occurred here. Dominion machines could to read the majority of the ballots in Fulton county. But the media pretends it never happened.

TDS lives on.

MAGAmania is still runnin wild brother!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Trump said they weren't factually in error, the only person saying otherwise is you, senate didn't vote that they weren't.

You posted the thing, have you actually read it? Last two lines are all you need to read.

Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it right

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Trump said they weren't factually in error, the only person saying otherwise is you, senate didn't vote that they weren't.

You posted the thing, have you actually read it? Last two lines are all you need to read.

Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it right

The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" and that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment, for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Further, section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits any person who has "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the United States from "hold[ing] and office ... under the United States.' In his conduct while President of the United States — and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, provide, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed — Donald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by inciting violence against the Government of the United States, in that:

On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. There, he reiterated false claims that "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide." He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session's solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts.

President Trump's conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to "find" enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so.

In all this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of Government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Donald John Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

The Senate found him 'not guilty' of the entire Article...not just the 'incited an insurrection' part. You can't separate the 'false claims' allegation from the rest. The Article is not divisible under Rule 23.

Selling the Senate on 'The Big Lie' was the backbone of the House Managers' case. They failed.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

As long as they have separated Trump from the Whitehouse it's all good.

The big lie, is lying in Mar-a-Lago now, sniping and barking at his own republican party, for the time being anyroad.

a reply to: Soulece

Election FRAUD Confirmed in Ariz .


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a reply to: MotherMayEye

" Where The Votes Really Went "

The Election FRAUD Will Not Go Away . Biden is Not The President Of The United States Elected by the Majority of the American People in a Fair and Unbiased Election . Where this goes from Here is Up to The American People Themselves ........


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