Texas loves socialism when it comes to weather

It's Ironic how Texans loved to criticize California for being socialist and claim Texas was paradise. Now who's asking for a government bailout?

An yet somehow, someway the problems in Texas are the fault of democrats.

a reply to: olaru12

This isn't socialism.

a reply to: olaru12

From an outsiders perspective both sides are as bad as one another but for your people it seemed to have been a no win scenario, both sides offered freedom's and took freedom's away, neither side really cares about YOU, it's all a game of control.

So you have to try to balance what is best for you and expect - always expect it is the same the world over - your politician of choice to either break there promise or to have block's thrown up to prevent them from being able to keep it.

Maybe an act of God to remind them that loving your neighbour is not an optional Christian virtue it is a COMMANDMENT regardless of conservative or liberal side of that debate.

Not so much a punishment as an opportunity for those that have been at odds to step up and be good people and help them, if they don't then they better not expect help them it is them suffering BUT if they do one thing to remember about Texans is they always remember and if other states even states they don't agree with help them they will in the future help them back.

Your nation could use this to heal, it won't however, petty politicians on all sides are hypocrites and will continue to stuff there own pockets while criticizing one another and if Biden PUNISHES Texas by not helping them then he is not fit to be your president - of ALL American's, of course many would argue is is not anyway but lets see if he can do at least one good thing for the people of the US in such a time of crisis, regardless of if that state loves or hates him if he is in that office it is his duty to help them as they are HIS citizens.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: olaru12

This isn't socialism.

Not pure socialism perhaps but there are varying degrees of socialism just like there are different types of capitalism.

My favorite flavor of capitalism is....

laissez faire capitalism and not to fond of the taste of "trickle down" .

a reply to: olaru12

Post WW2 Western European style is best, bit too much nationalization but it also worked though always had it's detractors as they wanted to reprivatize - mostly so they could be the ones to buy it themselves and then sell it off to make a quick profit before it all went south.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I'm using the word no in the colloquial sense in that I "know" the street light will turn green after it's done being red...even though there's always some off chance something will go amiss. It's true that science doesn't talk this way. So it would be more accurate to say that "climatologists know with a degree of certainty" or something along those lines. I'm familiar enough with the science as well as with the alleged "counter-arguments" to comfortably state that climatologists (the relevant scientists--it doesn't matter what, say, biologists think about climate change any more than it matters what climatologists think about proteins folding), who are 97% or more in the agreement are right about this.

I agree we have the technology and knowledge to solve this but it's like herding cats, and here in the country with the most power to do something about it, ~ half the population thinks climate change is fake and so our politician's re-elections aren't tied to doing anything about it.

As for prehistoric humans, I think Geologists, Paleontologists, and Archeologists have a pretty good understanding of what tools they possessed and what they faced. We have no idea how many hunter gatherers perished during previous (and slower) periods of climate change but again, the reality NOW is that we have millions of people living along and depending on the coast lines and depending on large-scale agriculture that is becoming less stable.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: olaru12

This isn't socialism.

True, but in today's discourse there are those people who refer to any nationalization they disagree with as "socialism." I think that's what OP is getting at.

a reply to: Phallacy

The odd oopart aside, the odd electrical transformer in stone found eroded out of a mountain side aside, the odd unexplainable rock wall in a coal mine blasted out of the coal seem and that coal mine then closed down aside, the odd chariot wheels in another mine somewhere else fossilized in limestone deposits aside I mostly agree, but not about what they know about our ancestors, most of that is subjective.

Ever heard of post technology.

Imagine taking a man dependent upon modern conveniences with no knowledge of how to survive and putting him into a post catastrophe world with no tool's, no technology and no understanding other than that he has to eat, first thing he may learn to shape is a stone, if he is ingenious he may even sharpen bones into spear heads or harden wood in a fire to make a more robust tip on sharpened stakes to hunt something with.

After a few generations all that he knew being useless his children will be wearing animal skins and hunting the way he managed to do but with slight improvements over time while remembering there fall from paradise in there legend's.

Somewhere some wise men may still hold some knowledge, they may try to reseed that among the survivors or it may survive in fragments in many places but those that know may find there knowledge having little practical application beyond establishing primitive society's, they may try to save it by putting it into primitive priest class systems but over time it will become increasingly garbled and increasingly useless and the people will have to relearn it all on there own in there own way with new inventors and new scientists coming into being while those that tried to preserve it may actually in the end be more harmful then beneficial as they try to control knowledge.

originally posted by: Phallacy

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: olaru12

This isn't socialism.

True, but in today's discourse there are those people who refer to any nationalization they disagree with as "socialism." I think that's what OP is getting at.

That's true...Calling someone a socialist is viewed as an insult by the Qanon cult.

The irony is that some socialist countries enjoy a higher living standard than the US; And they know how to deal with severe weather.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Phallacy
The odd oopart aside, the odd electrical transformer in stone found eroded out of a mountain side aside, the odd unexplainable rock wall in a coal mine blasted out of the coal seem and that coal mine then closed down aside, the odd chariot wheels in another mine somewhere else fossilized in limestone deposits aside I mostly agree, but not about what they know about our ancestors, most of that is subjective.

Unless there is credible evidence for any of this, I agree, it's best left as an aside.

a reply to: olaru12

Right. Technically these countries as "social democracies" but some people have begun to call it "democratic socialism." But I don't think the nomenclature matters. I agree that they seem to enjoy higher standards of living.

a reply to: Phallacy

Not going to go off thread but here is something.
www.hecklerspray.com...















Far too many examples to go and on.

a reply to: JAGStorm

So...let's say my parents need money and I give it to them, and you want to claim that is "socialism"?... Too many people, even proclaimed socialists and communists in ATS have no idea what socialism is...

" It's China's fault ! "
at least that's what frozen snow-flakes as
ted cruz would say.

Anything BUT taking responsibility, for their
predicaments.

Well, the damage is sounding pretty bad infrastructure-wise. When your power plants are freezing over, you want the government to help. If they're getting federal cash, I don't mind my taxes going to people who actually need it. Call me a socialist. But I was surprised at how much of Texas got caught with their pants down, from what I understand it gets cold as hell there every year or two. That's worth preparing for.

But if you think about it, our politicians have been working hard to redefine socialism as "Making government fat cats do anything for you at all." lately, aye? Glad to see ATS hasn't fallen that far. At least outside the Mud Pit.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Don't confuse a social program with socialism. It's not the same thing. Also, there is a difference between reasonable social services that we all pitch in on and a full on welfare state.

I'm not taking any assistance during this winter storm because I'm one of those independent Texans you referred to even with the weather. However, there may well come a day when the damage is severe enough that I do. If that day comes, then I'll feel like I hedged my bets and paid in to these programs and am not a bum for using them.