What Killed Sicknick?

a reply to: Irishhaf

Right. One death is nothing, when it comes to the possibility of getting a Democrat official punished. Democrat Gov Cuomo killed thousands of New York citizens, and he's still roaming free and winning awards.

a reply to: panoz77

Once again, DC police is separate from Capitol police. The Capitol is strictly policed by Capitol police and they only answer to Congress.

Mayor Bowser is not wrong that DC police would be the lead law enforcement agency for DC. But the Capitol is outside their jurisdiction. She has no power to order her police force or the National Guard to defend the Capitol.

To make matters even more difficult she and her police force also don't have jurisdiction over the National Mall. That falls under the purview of the National Park Service. For those that don't know, the National Mall is a 2 mile long park that extends from the Capitol to the Lincoln Memorial. So technically, the closest police force to the Capitol that could've provided backup was one controlled by Executive Branch, aka the Trump Administration.

Why didn't they provide any support?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: panoz77

Once again, DC police is separate from Capitol police. The Capitol is strictly policed by Capitol police and they only answer to Congress.

Mayor Bowser is not wrong that DC police would be the lead law enforcement agency for DC. But the Capitol is outside their jurisdiction. She has no power to order her police force or the National Guard to defend the Capitol.

To make matters even more difficult she and her police force also don't have jurisdiction over the National Mall. That falls under the purview of the National Park Service. For those that don't know, the National Mall is a 2 mile long park that extends from the Capitol to the Lincoln Memorial. So technically, the closest police force to the Capitol that could've provided backup was one controlled by Executive Branch, aka the Trump Administration.

Why didn't they provide any support?

I'm actually going to give Mayor Bowser credit here, because despite the groundswell of lunacy to "defund police" this past year, the mayor requested a roughly 3% increase in the budget for the Washington police force in '20. She also correctly pointed out that simply cutting officer head count will just create a shell game of shifting the funds that would've been spent on additional officers into overtime for existing officers to pick up the slack.

So despite her fervrent support of BLM movement, she does have enough sense to understand the vital role policing plays in providing stability to communities, particularly those with high levels of poverty and crime.

As far as Trump directing law enforcement intervention, I thought the message from the riots across 2020 is that Trump was to stay out of the mix? This sentiment was repeated over and over and over again when Trump offered support to the states and cities wracked with destructive riots over the bulk of last year, and local leaders steadfastly refused any federal aid. So which is it: is it good or bad for Trump to send in the troops? Or is the defining characteristic of federal crack down depend on who the rioters are?

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a reply to: ketsuko

medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma

So, the three officers that died did not die on Jan. 6. Sicknick died of unknown causes in the hospital late in the evening the next day. The other two officers committed suicide days afterward.

I read that Sicknick was an outspoken Trump supporter and had served in the NJ Air National Guard.

What did these three know? Were they aware of information that certain politicians would rather not get out?

Why don't we have answers? Why can't we ask these questions?

Why do people just accept the lies and distortions that come out of the mouths of the media and politicians without question?

Why are Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi using this man's death for political retaliation when they don't even know the details of his death?

a reply to: queenofswords

It's going to be quite embarrassing after holding him up as a martyr, when there is no "murderer". I doubt we will hear much more on this, it will be buried as the narrative is already set for most of the sleeping brainwashed sheep.

a reply to: panoz77

Yep, and the msm will keep the lid on this tightly shut.

If anyone dares to ask specific questions on Twatter or Fakebook, watch how quickly their account gets shut down.

It's another Seth Rich oddity where you're not allowed to question the "official" story.

a reply to: queenofswords

If you watch Jason Sullivan's Insurgence USA video, you see a group of familiar faces all get in line inside the white tent area as if they had been told to line up and wait there to go in. In the front of the group is an old man acting like he's frantically trying to talk to police...an officer leads him away by the elbow just before some tear gas is used.

But then this same old man shows up in the front of a line of police with protestors inside the Capitol shortly before Ashli Babbit was shot. Why did officers lead him away and he ended up inside the Capitol?

In the group that went in through the white tent: the horns guy, the judge's son wearing fur skins, the guy in red that helped hoist Ashli up and also kicked in doors, and a number of other faces seen again and again in the media. And, of course, Jason Sullivan was with them taking video.

Two minutes before the people in line in the white tent were let through, you can hear on a police radio someone say 'Start bringing them down.'

Inside later, while they were in the group waiting to pass the police line and shortly before Ashli was shot, one protestor yells, "Who has a bullhorn?'

No one passes him a bullhorn so he yells it a second time. Still no bullhorn.

Exasperated he says "Who has THE bullhorn?"

And sure enough...someone had "the" bullhorn.

There was also the witness that gave a statement shortly after Ashli was shot who said she fell into his arms and said she was ok at first. That clearly did not happen. Why did he lie?

Another protestor front and center when Ashli was shot had appeared out from behind a police line where supposedly no protestors had been yet. After Ashli was shot he takes a spot on the stairs with police all around him and reaches into his backpack to change some of his clothing. Police don't even seem concerned about what he was reaching into his backpack for.

Three cops initially stood in front of the glass doors. Two start whispering and one looks behind him and sees the cop with the gun in the doorway. He makes a face like 'oh sh*t' and turns away quickly. Then he gestures somewhere to the back of the room and the three cops slink away. The last cop appears to be dunking down as he gets to the steps....Ashli is then shot.

Honestly, I could go on and on about the many ways the police seemed to be working with that group of protestors.

Who was in the five buses that was escorted to the rally by police? I noticed the FBI neglected to mention how the tent people that have been charged got to the rally, in their affidavits.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Thirty days after the deadly conflict, and it's amazing how little is known..

The Democrats and Liz Cheney claim President Trump caused the riot on the Capitol one month ago on January 6th.

Yet we don’t know definitely how the four Trump supporters died that day since we’ve seen no investigative reports.

And, we haven’t seen an autopsy for Ashli Babbitt and so we don’t definitely know how she died. In addition, we have no idea who shot Ashli Babbitt.

Continued at: www.thegatewaypundit.com...

a reply to: carewemust

To me, the cop with the gun in the first doorway looked white and when I first saw a photo of Sicknick, I thought he looked pretty much like what I pictured that cop would look like.

But there was a second cop with his gun raised in the second doorway. He looked black, imo, and I've read stories about one of the officers present at the Congress baseball practice shooting being a candidate. He is a black officer.

On one video, the person with the red sweatshirt and Trump hat (that still has the plastic store tag thing sticking off the top, btw) says, "It was the cop in the second doorway who shot her."

FWIW. That person was shady so make of it what you will. So much that is so very wrong.

Some of what I saw in Jason Sullivan's video was just obvious bad acting....cringeworthy. Especially the old man and the guy that appears from behind the police line.

"Ayyyyy ayyyyyy!"

"He is a moron!" Says the old man. Someone else yells 'Idiot!' The old man frantically talks with police while dabbing his face with a tissue.

Ug.

And, again, they all just waited there until the police were 'ready' to let them through for the next scene.

This guy that can been seen coming into view from the far left perched up on a statue, throughout this scene....because that's what this is..he tries to act casual while he talks into his jacket collar. He coordinates and talks to the guy on the right side of the door who is also communicating with the guy on the left side of the door.

Here, the man perched on the statue signals for the actors to turn and go to the place where the scene when Ashli is killed takes place.

a reply to: Guyfriday

reply to: carewemust

Right, but not CNN which held the interview with Donna in which she made the statement. Rich's family was either pressured into that lawsuit or persuaded with financial gain to have the lawsuit go forward against FOX, but at the same time leave CNN/MSNBC alone.

You might be underestimating how fanatical some liberals are. Remember the father of Mollie Tibbetts, the young woman murdered by an illegal alien in Iowa? After her killer was IDed, he wrote an op-ed stating he was "vehemently opposed" to anti-immigration legislature, i.e., anti-illegal immigration. Even though his beautiful daughter might be alive today if illegal immigration had never been tolerated.

Funny how Officer Dave Patrick Underwood's body didn't lie in state at the Capitol. He was murdered in a drive-by shooting while guarding the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building in Oakland during a protest over George Floyd. But Underwood was a black man, and Democrats in Congress offered little condemnation of the riots, even encouraging them in Kamala Harris' case, so the optics were totally wrong for honoring him.

P.S. I do not condone the throwing of the fire extinguisher that hit a cop in the head. Whoever did that should go to prison and serve hard time. I support our police officers, who are reviled worldwide but have a very difficult, thankless job. You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do. Thank God someone is willing.

a reply to: Scapegrace

I live near Seattle, so nope I never underestimate these Trotskyists. Here's a bit of their nonsense turned violent:
seattletimes.com

We were 169 days into 2017 when Charleena Lyles was shot and killed by Seattle police officers Sunday. She was the 451st person killed by police in this country in those 169 days. This is one of the ways in which America is an exceptional nation.

We resort to violence much more often than any other economically advanced democracy. This is the path our country has chosen. It doesn’t have to be this way.

Further down in the article:

Lyles called the police for help Sunday morning and told them her home had been burglarized. Two officers were dispatched to her apartment, and after a few minutes of discussion, the tone of the encounter changed. On a recording of the incident, Lyles can be heard saying something to the officers. The police say she had two knives. The officers repeatedly tell her to get back, and then there is gunfire.

Protests and riots were done in her name. Cops were removed from the force, and vilified for shooting her in front of her kid. What kept getting passed over was the fact that she was planning to stab two police officers to death in front of that same kid. Before the police went into her apartment during the "robbery" call they even had a discussion about how she had a habit of becoming violent with authorities in the past. The "robbery" call was in fact a fake call she made to lure some police officers into her home so that she could kill them. The city of Seattle and many of the easily triggered members of the community decided that the cops were guilty of murder before the body was even recovered.

So no I don't underestimate these Trotskyists, they are not liberals or Democrats, or even so-called Social Justice Warriors, these people are pure Trotskyists. This wasn't the only time that the city of Seattle and "members" of the community lashed out at the police either, hell they're even going after members of the city Firefighters now. It's beyond disgusting.

a reply to: Guyfriday

Nothing surprises me much anymore. I've been conditioned to feel numb, along with tens of millions of other Americans. What was once shocking and universally condemned is now praised; violent criminals are martyrs. These are dark times.

originally posted by: panoz77
a reply to: ketsuko

I have been saying this since the day he was reported as deceased. It was a false narrative from the start, used to fuel painting the protest as "DEADLY". They needed cold bodies to really make the white national domestic terrorist label to stick. As it stands, there were ZERO deaths/murders as a direct result of the protest, except for the woman shot in the neck by Capitol police.

What a load of codswallop!

This shifting of goalposts is getting ridiculous now.

a reply to: djz3ro

Really? Please provide a coroners cause of death and time of death. Also, please provide the name of his "killer".

originally posted by: ketsuko
The Capitol Cop Brian Sicknick died after the Capitol riot. It is popularly believed he died after being struck by a fire extinguisher, but no one really knows.

Investigators are having a hard time placing the cause of death.

They don't know why he died. They have no real evidence. They've reviewed video of the struggle and can't find direct evidence of him being struck with anything.

In Sicknick’s case, it’s still not known publicly what caused him to collapse the night of the insurrection. Findings from a medical examiner’s review have not yet been released and authorities have not made any announcements about that ongoing process.

According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.

A report from an official says that investigators no longer believe he was struck by a fire extinguisher even though this was what was first reported as the believed cause of his death.

The next theory was that he had a reaction to pepper spray or bear spray, but again, review of video hasn't shown this.

One possibility being considered by investigators is that Sicknick became ill after interacting with a chemical irritant like pepper spray or bear spray that was deployed in the crowd. But investigators reviewing video of the officer’s time around the Capitol haven’t been able to confirm that in tape that has been recovered so far, the official said.

Additionally, he could have died if he had a pre-existing medical condition, but again, there is no evidence of this.

So what killed Brian Sicknick?

It appears right now that no one knows.

2.27.2021

Even to this day, officer Sicknick's cause of death is still being determined.

Capitol Police Statement yesterday: twitter.com...

Coverup being attempted? This is reminiscent of Jeffry Epstein's alleged death.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The Capitol Cop Brian Sicknick died after the Capitol riot. It is popularly believed he died after being struck by a fire extinguisher, but no one really knows.

Investigators are having a hard time placing the cause of death.

They don't know why he died. They have no real evidence. They've reviewed video of the struggle and can't find direct evidence of him being struck with anything.

In Sicknick’s case, it’s still not known publicly what caused him to collapse the night of the insurrection. Findings from a medical examiner’s review have not yet been released and authorities have not made any announcements about that ongoing process.

According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.

A report from an official says that investigators no longer believe he was struck by a fire extinguisher even though this was what was first reported as the believed cause of his death.

The next theory was that he had a reaction to pepper spray or bear spray, but again, review of video hasn't shown this.

One possibility being considered by investigators is that Sicknick became ill after interacting with a chemical irritant like pepper spray or bear spray that was deployed in the crowd. But investigators reviewing video of the officer’s time around the Capitol haven’t been able to confirm that in tape that has been recovered so far, the official said.

Additionally, he could have died if he had a pre-existing medical condition, but again, there is no evidence of this.

So what killed Brian Sicknick?

It appears right now that no one knows.

Monday, April 19, 2021

UPDATE:

The medical coroner finally released Brian Sicknick's cause of death today...approximately 45 days after he died.

Sicknick died of NATURAL CAUSES: www.cnbc.com...

Congress may have set a precedent by shutting down to attend the funeral of a Capitol Police officer who died of natural causes.

They (and the liberal News Media) wanted so badly to believe that Brian Sicknick was murdered at the hands of a Trump supporter, to counter the murder of Ashli Babbitt by a (still unknown to this day), Capitol Police Officer.

a reply to: carewemust

Codswallop we say!