So what happens if it's all True?

Serious question, and it deserves some serious thought. If we find out that indeed the elections were rigged, mail in voting coupled with local anomalies in key cities were manipulated to change the will of the people, what do we do then? Do we as a nation just hide away in fear of being called names like "conspiracy theorist", or does someone stand up and demand accountability? If so, who?

I've been saying this for a while now, and it's painfully obvious that it's fallen on deaf ears. This won't stop here. Now that control has been achieved, and the means to obtain that control is understood, this will become the new normal. This is how things will happen. We all used to laugh and make bold claims that NOBODY is coming for your guns. Well, when that happens, you can mark that date on the calendar, that's the day we lost. Wipe your ass with that constitution, it will mean less than a good roll of toilet paper at that point.

How did the people become so apathetic that we allow the media to drive the narrative as they do? And we don't seem interested in assigning blame where is lies. (lies, a pun in an of itself) We have a serious problem here, and it's not going to solve itself. A search team is needed and we need to look far and wide to see if there is an American left who still has the tiniest pair of balls. It seems most of us lost them altogether. Letting the MSM tell us how to feel night after night isn't getting it done.

So how do we move forward? who gets to decide what's right and fair? it used to be 'we the people'.

a reply to: network dude

Did Chuck Schumer say, "Now we change America."?

Did AOC say 'we' needed to be rounded up and place in concentration camps?

Does that not give you a clue?

I've gotta go to the range. Meeting some 'friends' out there ... and we won't have any cellular devices out there to spy on us.

Pockets of people all over have been called up for these 'conversations'.

The Dems planned this out all too well. They've got foreign governments involved, the media, Hollywood ...

They're not caging me up, I'm not wearing a star, and they're not turning me to ash without a lot of them going with me.

a reply to: network dude

Q: What happened after the FIRST election was stolen in Russia...or Venezuela...or other totalitarian dictatorships?

A: The SECOND, THIRD & FOURTH election was stolen.

a reply to: Snarl

I wish you all well from the other side of the pond, just be careful even hinting can lead to dangerous situations and remember both sides have true believers that believe just as equally that they are the good guy's.
For what is worth I believe it was fixed but not my election.

And also remember these folks' believer utterly in this, possession is 9/10ths of the law, if you have a bull by the ring it will follow and as long as they keep the sheep penned they can do whatever they want.

So far history suggests they are right but very now and then it all turn's bad for them and people wake up to the fact, people waking up is the one thing they fear, control the media control the mind and of course the media stink's now more than ever but the media in the west has played the propaganda card too much, been monopolized too much and so much so that people no longer trust the media they once thought was honest and true - because it once was but not any longer.

Careful, they have all those body bag's for a reason.

a reply to: network dude

Serious answer... our salvation will depend on divine intervention. Not because we cannot do it for ourselves, but because we will not.

Every single problem we have at its root is about someone harming another by imposing their will upon another. But every single solution offered also harms someone by imposing their will upon another. We have -- as a society and a citizenry -- no real concept or understanding of the foundational principles upon which our nation was founded, and upon which our code of laws should be founded. Most people don't even understand the difference between a democracy and a republic, much less that we do not have a democracy, we have a Constitutional Republic.

We don't find solutions because people would rather play foot soldiers in the divide-and-conquer campaign against us. The opposition is mocked, taunted, insulted, silenced and even threatened. Too many people enjoy it. For example, when those on the left rightfully condemn and object to cancel culture, it's just schadenfraude for those on the right who rightfully condemn and object to cancel culture. But no effort is made to join forces and work for better. We can easily find examples of the same from the left. United we stand, divided we fall. It seems people would rather than fall than actually cooperate and -- gasp! -- respect people's rights.

I don't know how we fix this mess we've got ourselves into without fixing ourselves first.

a reply to: network dude

One can only dream about the truth being exposed... it would result in a massive upheaval, that much is certain. It would wake a lot of people up and help them understand how deep the manipulation goes. But regardless of what evidence the right claimed to have, many on the left would refuse to believe it or even acknowledge it, in many ways that is already happening.

a reply to: network dude

How did Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc. come into power?

Why would normal, happy people throughout history allow such despots to rule over them?

Look at China today. I know many people from China. They are normal people, have lives, families, jobs etc. How could they let happen what is happening in China?

My answer?

Regardless of the time in history, regardless of nationality or geographical setting, the human animal has the unique ability to insulate itself from what's going on around them.

If it doesn't affect their pay check, their grocery shopping, their entertainment, then they don't care.

It's like that old saying, "If your neighbor loses his job, it's a recession, if you lose your job, it's a depression."




There has to be a threshold reached to affect change. If the powers that be, can keep their authoritarian pushes below that threshold, then people will allow it.



In my humble opinion.

a reply to: network dude

How did the people become so apathetic that we allow the media to drive the narrative as they do?

They have been for years , now in the internet age if you don't like the official brainwash tools you can find "alternative" brainwash tools , seems these days many have lost the ability to think for themselves .... job done.

Trumps loss means nothing just as Clinton's loss meant nothing , if there is systemic fraud it's been happening for years / decades and there isn't a damn thing you or any other Pleb can do about it other than not play the game.

Cattle don't run the farmyard but they can opt out of the farmyard games , if nobody plays the game the game becomes obsolete.

Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and others are still on the case, the courts are still looking at it. In some ways it is probably a good thing the supreme court did not quickly touch the case. I would not be surprised to find Gore actually won in the Bush v Gore case.

The courts do have a reputation of moving slow and it does take time to identify and prove who done what. It is why the states are required to hold onto the ballots for 22 months, provides reasonable time to sort out any issues. As people are arrested and sentenced for election fraud a clear picture of the scale of it will emerge.

While the main perpetrators of the election fraud still walk free, waste of time having another election.

NEXT will be stacking the SC, 12 million new illegals...and a couple new blue states.

ALSO...guns (you can't have 'em).

a reply to: Boadicea

Right On!

a reply to: network dude
There is always hope for......

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a reply to: network dude

Yep. Now it's us and them.

Nothing, house wins again.


a reply to: network dude

a reply to: network dude
It's too late just like most of the rest of the misdeeds.

The people that have been doing the cheating has been destroying evidence and covering their tracks for way too long now and getting away with it.

Started with the server or smashed phones.
Evidence and machines have been wiped and destroyed just for starters. Seth Rabbit anybody? This is to big for even a single witness to make it to trial.

I just realized even if the military is conservative or constitutiinal the CIA and FBI are not. I don't even know if we've seen all six ways to Sunday yet.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Exactly my thought. The system is so stacked against us what can we do. Most people would have to choose or a sacrifice between their life or the country's life. the deeper decision is your life or your children and grandchildren's life.

The only people that can really protest are the people who have nothing better to do or are getting paid to do it.

The US had to be subdued for the Great Reset.A Global Dictatorship is coming,the likes of which the the world never has seen.Complete control of finances and resources will enable control over everything.Trumo probably would have resisted,the countries that do will be crushed.So say goodbye to freedom, wherever you are,you will be basically a asset to be used or discarded.

a reply to: network dude

If we find out that indeed the elections were rigged, mail in voting coupled with local anomalies in key cities were manipulated to change the will of the people, what do we do then?

IF? How much evidence do we need? They did everything but outright admit to it in the recent Times article.

So how do we move forward? who gets to decide what's right and fair? it used to be 'we the people'.

It's a little late now. This is the country and the world we bequeath to our children and grandchildren. We could have stopped it once upon a time, but we didn't. Now our descendants have to live with our inaction just as we are living with our parents and grandparents inaction.

Welcome to the Peoples Republic of America. We were warned by the founders this day would come if we were not diligent. Well here it is, and anyone who points it out will be accused of being dramatic and a conspiracy nut.

"You will own nothing and be happy." - WEF 2020

originally posted by: network dude
Serious question, and it deserves some serious thought. If we find out that indeed the elections were rigged, mail in voting coupled with local anomalies in key cities were manipulated to change the will of the people, what do we do then? Do we as a nation just hide away in fear of being called names like "conspiracy theorist", or does someone stand up and demand accountability? If so, who?

So... been thinking a lot about this as I'm watching what happens with the full forensics audit in Arizona.

Assuming that the audit reveals what I think it will - massive fraud, enough to dramatically reverse their certified results...

The way I see it, there are many ways this could play out, and the real problem is, this is completely and totally uncharted territory, and there is no clear Constitutional path, but here's what I think is a real possibility...

1. Multiple other State Legislatures that had major problems - WI, MI, PA and GA at least - will do the same process, and reveal the same massive problems.

2. These States will de-certify their results and...

3. Recall the Representatives and Senators that lost according to the new results and send the ones who really won to be sworn in,

4. Appoint new Electors for Trump.

5. Formally notify Congress of their actions, and demand a new Joint Session of Congress to handle a new Count/Certify the new formally appointed Electors.

So, Congress would be faced with a choice... honor what the States are demanding they do, or not.

If they don't, the States would have to sue - and this time the Supreme Court would have to hear it.

I don't see this Congress accepting this, so I imagine it would be a lawsuit.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: network dude
It's a little late now.

That is just it. You don't understand.

Fraud vitiates any and all contracts. PERIOD.

If there was actual fraud on a massive scale that changed the results of the Election, and it can be proven... then it absolutely is not too late.