Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Yes, I think every state should do some kind of significant audit, that includes looking at every ballot, after every 4yr election.

Who should fund it? Private donations? Or would it take a law to that effect? I guess that would work as long as the auditors had some sort of accreditation, not just some guy saying "Me! Me! I'll do it!"

But I guess your assumption is that there are shenanigans. Bigly.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Yes, I think every state should do some kind of significant audit, that includes looking at every ballot, after every 4yr election.

Who should fund it? Private donations? Or would it take a law to that effect? I guess that would work as long as the auditors had some sort of accreditation, not just some guy saying "Me! Me! I'll do it!"

But I guess your assumption is that there are shenanigans. Bigly.

Private donations obviously aren't ideal.

Ninjas aren't either.

But gotta start somewhere.

Yes, i think election laws need to be revised for this and several other reasons.


Have been greatly concerned about 'shenanigans' since motor voter.

Voter ID & audits appear to be the only way to regain credibility.

But open to other methods that might appear.

a reply to: Phage


"Georgia counted ballots. Three times"


sos.ga.gov...

Looked at only a small % of ballots.

And VoterGA claims that some things were found.

voterga.org...

I'm not qualified to determine accuracy of either report linked above.

But hope that the Georgia court currently looking into it is.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Georgia's nearly 5 million votes in the presidential race will be counted for a third time, as President Trump's campaign has formally asked for a recount because his loss is within the legal margin for that request.

www.npr.org... 3rd-t

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Georgia's nearly 5 million votes in the presidential race will be counted for a third time, as President Trump's campaign has formally asked for a recount because his loss is within the legal margin for that request.

www.npr.org... 3rd-t

Those articles (I read a few more through your link) certainly do seem to support your claim perfectly.

So why does the Georgia SOS's official statement that I linked say otherwise?

I don't know the answer to that question.

But think we all deserve one.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Pretty sure there was executive order on topic.

Democrats refused.

Yeah. There was a commission established. It found nothing significant and was dissolved.

www.brennancenter.org...

What did Democrats "refuse", exactly?

What are you on about now? You still haven't answered this question:

Originally posted by Phage:
"When the vote tallies are close it makes sense for a recount. In most situations it means less than 1%. This is not that.
The Ninjas seem to be quite ignorant of proper chain of custody and other protocols.
The idea here seems to be "keep looking until we find what we are looking for."

Originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Phage
"can you list all the mistakes they have made thus far?"


Are you going to answer that last question or keep deflecting? It's been over two weeks and you still have yet to acknowledge it.

Exactly why are you participating in this thread if you're just going to keep blathering on about your bias and not providing anything to back it up with?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

To let the commission look at the ballots.

Please show where such demands from the commission were refused.

You seem to be big about asking other people to back up their claims.

But for you yourself, not so much.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind


"Exactly why are you participating in this thread"


I can't answer for Phage, but hope everyone is here to both learn, and share what they learn.

And the occasional belly laugh.



ETA:

And also to find better hat designs.

Or tips on how to get free tinfoil.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind


"Exactly why are you participating in this thread"


I can't answer for Phage, but hope everyone is here to both learn, and share what they learn.

I know why you're here. Reading your comments tells me that. You're concerned about election integrity - as we all should be. I wonder, though, why some people aren't concerned about this issue. And thank you for your participation in this thread.

Good morning All!!! Well, not for everyone...

Karen Fann has released a statement calling for the immediate resignation of Arizona State Senator Tony Navarrete (D), who was accused/arrested for child sexual abuse:

"Given the information documented in the findings of probably cause released by authorities, I am awaiting Senator Navarrete's immediate resignation. These are serious and alarming charges that require Senator Navarrete to step down immediately. Our hearts are with the victims; child abuse and sexual misconduct are intolerable in every circumstance. We have confidence in our criminal system and pray that due justice will aid in the long road to healing for those involved.

Source

You can read more about the allegations here and here .

I post this only for its impact/repercussions for the enforcement of the subpoenas for the routers and other election materials that Maricopa County continues to refuse to comply with. The Senate can hold the Board of Supervisors in contempt with a majority vote. They have not had that majority because one Republican senator (Boyer) refuses to vote with other Republicans to enforce the subpoenas, creating a tie. With one Democrat Senator now in jail, and the Senate President (rightfully) demanding his resignation from the Senate, there is a realistic possibility that the Senate Republicans will soon have the majority required (even without Boyer), and can/will enforce the subpoenas.

And this in addition to any action taken by the Arizona Attorney General as formally requested by Senator Borelli:

AZ Sen Leader Gives Audit Subpoena Timetable, Predicts AG Will Hammer Maricopa County Election Officials

Arizona Senate Majority Whip Sonny Borrelli believes state Attorney General Mark Brnovich will act quickly on the lawmaker’s request to investigate Maricopa County’s noncompliance with election audit subpoenas.

In a Tuesday filing to the attorney general’s office, Borrelli cited multiple state statutes the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors has violated by failing to supply the materials sought in a July 26 subpoena issued by Arizona Senate President Karen Fann and Senate Judiciary Chair Warren Petersen.

“It’s a no-brainer. The statute’s pretty clear: Contempt and disobedience of a subpoena is a class II misdemeanor,” the senator said, referring to Arizona Revised Statute 41-1154.

Class II misdemeanors carry a penalty of up to four months in jail and a $750 fine.

The article itemizes the items requested in the subpoena, gives a general history of how this is been playing out, and provides further links throughout.

We'll find out together where this goes...

A video compilation of Democrats who have previously noted and called out the potential/capability for election fraud and/or tampering and/or interference:

⁣Not much more to say here. They indict themselves.
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ATOM BOMB: Expert Cyber Team CONFIRMS Votes Can Be Altered From Overseas in Run-Up to Lindell Symposium

This team proves that votes can be altered from overseas. However, there is much more to this story.

Even though it has been proven that votes can be changed overseas in locations in the US, it is basically impossible to prove this without performing forensic audits. The reason for this is because of ‘chain of custody’.

Votes in US elections can be changed overseas. This is almost impossible to identify without a forensic audit of all the ballots in an election. The proper chain of custody of packets of data related to an election steal overseas is almost impossible. The steal of the 2020 election was therefore most likely done at the local level and can be identified through forensic audits.

Much more at the link on not just the "what" of it all, but the "how."
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This is a very detailed and informative article on how elections are conducted, how they should be conducted, and how this past election failed to be conducted properly:
Expert Report From Election, Information Assurance And Cyber Security Systems Matter Expert

When an election is contested, the first consideration should be if the election met the federal standards of HAVA, FISMA, that state’s implementations of EAC guidelines and the state’s own laws.

Did the 2020 Election Meet the Requirements in Current Election Law?

The simple answer is no. In 2020 the vote failed to meet requirements of HAVA, FISMA and EAC guidance on multiple levels.

Far far too much to excerpt, but well worth the read.
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This is from Dr. Kelli Ward, the AZ GOP Chairwoman regarding the failures of the election itself, and the opposition to investigating and examining the failures of the election process:

Recently, a clear pattern has emerged. When bureaucracies have their actions examined, they first declare themselves to be the experts. They then are deeply offended that anyone would question their authority. Then they proceed to marginalize anyone who continues to challenge them. The corporate media and Big Tech aids them in a smear and indignation campaign.

America’s Audit Has Drawn Out The “Electocrats”

Fair warning: It is posted at the AZ GOP website (in case you don't want to give them your clicks).

In regards to Michigan:

EXCLUSIVE: Patrick Byrne And Jovan Pulitzer Give Michigan An Offer They Can’t Refuse

Patrick Byrne and Jovan Pulitzer have come up with a solution and made an offer to Michigan that takes the cost issue off the table.

Pulitzer has written AI software that will scan all a jurisdiction’s ballots and point out which ballots are suspect. Then only those ballots will be forensically scanned at the depth needed to detect counterfeits. The cost is $0.25 per ballot, obviously much more affordable.

The cost for Michigan for this election assessment system will be $1.2 million.

It gets better.

The America Project will pay the entire $1.2 million to complete the process.

If the program works as stated, and presents no risk to voter privacy or otherwise, than it would seem to be a no-brainer to accept the offer. What have they got to lose? If all is on the up-and-up, then nothing. And if it's not on the up-and-up, then only the cheaters have something to lose and the voters have everything to gain.
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From Nevada:

More votes counted than cast in Nevada 2020 General Election, analysis of voting files shows

The non-partisan Voter Reference Foundation (VRF), which officially announced its launch this week, compared the states' official certified vote totals to the state official voter files, which indicate how many individual Nevada voters were recorded as actually having cast ballots last November.

It found that 15 of Nevada's 17 counties certified more ballots cast than there were individual voters recorded as voting. Clark (5,869 more) and Washoe (2,191) had the largest discrepancies, according to the analysis.

FYI: Washoe County includes Reno and Lake Tahoe areas, most populous after Vegas in Clark County.
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And, finally, from Wisconsin:

BREAKING: Wisconsin Rep. Janel Brandtjen Issues Subpoenas to Audit 2 Counties

Wisconsin’s Election Committee Chairman Janelle Brandtjen issued subpoenas this morning to Brown and Milwaukee Counties.

FYI: Brown County includes the populous Green Bay, Wisconsin.

It's happening folks!!!

I checked for anything new from CodeMonkeyZ... big big sigh.

Work on phase 1 continues.
Will have more information out about it after Mike Lindell’s Cyber Symposium.

Yeah yeah yeah...
Blah blah blah...
Yada yada yada...

Just more nothing. Get the little people all riled up and tantalized and titillated... "It's coming... I swear it's coming... and it's gonna be big... HUGE...It's coming... soon... REALLY!!!"

I wish everyone would stop with the teasers. Post when/if you have something real to post and you can back it up. In other words, either put up or shut up. No more teasers that go nowhere except to stir a pot that doesn't need stirring.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
a reply to: alphabetaone

'I firmly believe (and think ive said this before too) that "proving fraud" is painting with too broad a stroke"


Nonsense.

Show us the ballots.

Fraud will scream out to be noticed if there.

And deafening silence if not.

Well, i have a question, a serious question, what if, conversely there is maybe 100 ballots that are fraudulent and not "massive fraud on a scale like the world has never seen"? What happens in that scenario?

Then my side will be satisfied that accurate results are known.

And likely attempt to use what was learned to make process more reliable and transparent in the future.

Exactly!! This underscores why I said "painting with too broad a stroke", simply because if (as i postulated) a scenario would occur that only 100 ballots turned out to be fraudulent, it would STILL satisfy the definition of "proving fraud", but not enough substance to justify any remedial measures.

so we shouldn't bother to look? I'm confused by your response.

We already know of quite a few wrong things that happened, the extent of them remains to be seen. But this audit is looking at the validity of the mail in ballots, which a lot of people believe is where the cheating happened. For me, if those mail in ballots were to be shown "all good", I would be satisfied. I do feel very strongly that they were used to pump the numbers to the needed values in the 3am surges. But we need more than just my strong feelings. We need proof, and that is what's happening now.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Just more nothing.

What do you expect? He's literally Q.

Regarding enforcement of the subpoenas in light of the arrested Senator, I was wrong about some things -- my apologies! -- and need to clarify.

First, I forgot that another Senator -- Michelle Urgenti-Rita -- has withdrawn support for the audit, so the Republicans are short two members for a majority.

I have heard, but have no confirmation, that the way the law is written, voting to enforce the subpoenas would require the vote for a majority of the Senate, even if one misses the vote because they are in jail for example... So the Republicans still need the same number of votes to pass enforcement of the subpoenas.

This article suggests the same, but does not explicitly state it:

UPDATE: Democrat AZ Senator Admits To Pedophilia, Could Be Removed, GOP Still Needs 16 Votes To Pass A Bill

AZ Sen Kelly Townsend has called on the Governor to call a special session of the Senate to remove the wayward Senator. I have seen suggestions that this session could be exploited also used to further election or audit-related matters, and that's a big fat "no." The article linked about posts the relevant statute as posted by Sen Kelly Townsend:

Section 3. The sessions of the legislature shall be held annually at the capitol of the state, and shall commence on the second Monday of January of each year. The governor may call a special session, whenever in his judgment it is advisable. In calling a special session, the governor shall specify the subjects to be considered, and at such special session no laws shall be enacted except such as relate to the subjects mentioned in the call.

If Sen Navarrete is removed or resigned, as a resident of Maricopa County and serving in a district located in Maricopa County, his replacement will be appointed by the Maricopa County Supervisors:

Arizona is one of twenty-two states that fill vacancies in the state legislature through appointments:

“If there is a vacancy in the Arizona State Legislature, the board of county supervisors must select a replacement.

I expect, though, that because Navarrete is a Democrat, that he will be replaced by a Democrat, and that's fair enough. I believe it's a common courtesy, albeit it not written in law. But any hope that the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors would appoint anyone -- Republican or Democrat -- that would support the audit was never going to happen anyway.

So, basically, it looks like this arrest and inevitable removal will not have any effect on the subpoena drama.

originally posted by: network dude

so we shouldn't bother to look? I'm confused by your response.

I think you lost the context. It was a response to a hypothetical suggested scenario. IN that scenario the "looking" had already been completed with the outcome being the hypothetical 100 ballots being fraudulent.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Just more nothing. Get the little people all riled up and tantalized and titillated... "It's coming... I swear it's coming... and it's gonna be big... HUGE...It's coming... soon... REALLY!!!"

Truthfully though, what did you expect? This is how fraudsters operate.

Looking at your sign up date, you were here probably on the cusp of the entire Blossom Goodchild / Galactic Federation of Light fiasco.

It's almost precisely how she operated too, and MANY other. Keep em hanging on, keep em interested, keep em buying my stuff, keep em on the hook. Until i disappear.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Boadicea
Just more nothing.

What do you expect? He's literally Q.

Yep the most wanted terrorist in the world is Ron Watkins still posting away on Telegram.

Cmon man

When you think of it from that perspective do you even realize how idiotic it sounds?

a reply to: alphabetaone

Truthfully though, what did you expect? This is how fraudsters operate.

Looking at your sign up date, you were here probably on the cusp of the entire Blossom Goodchild / Galactic Federation of Light fiasco. It's almost precisely how she operated too, and MANY other. Keep em hanging on, keep em interested, keep em buying my stuff, keep em on the hook. Until i disappear.

Oh my goodness! I had completely forgotten about Blossom!!! Wow.

Regarding CMZ, I expected something... not nothing. He had receipts. He said it would be posted that night. So, yes, I expected something.

I had no expectations of what it would be, and I thought it might even be interesting and/or intriguing, but I did not really expect any kind of bombshell.

Apparently whatever CMZ has goes hand-in-hand with whatever Lindell has. And that means Trump is probably part of that equation. And apparently they think working together is better than working separately. I'm not so sure about that though. Maybe. Maybe not.

There's also much to be said for independent minds thinking for themselves and coming to the same conclusions. I