Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: NotGuilty
a reply to: carewemust

youtu.be...
In retrospect, this 20second clip is all I need to see to know Barr was fleecing Trump and the new blood.

Ironically, that clip was used to bolster beliefs that Barr and Durham were making sure the arrests would "stick", once all the bad guys were handcuffed and jailed.

a reply to: NotGuilty

Oh my... that look. The smugliest of the smugly.

Wow.

a reply to: carewemust

Is Durham done?



Because I didn't hear he's done.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Boadicea

Quite frankly, anyone who refuses to accept wrongdoing has definitely occurred is either too stupid or too dishonest to trust.

Facts are facts and truth is truth. Open minded doesn't mean denying reality.

The first comment is not a fact, it's your particular brand of bias. You're making up your own alternate facts, and asserting anyone who isn't going along with your "facts" is too stupid and/or too dishonest to trust.

Open minded means being open to new information, facts and truth.

You're not open to "new information". You're open to doing anything possible to confirm your bias, including manufactured spin and misinformation.

Why do you waste so much time with trivial semantics?

Why don't you just wait until the audit is finished and then take it from there?

That seems like a logical thing to me to do. Aren't you logical, too? Or do you just want to keep trying your best to besmirch the audit? We can see what you're doing.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Sookiechacha

The first comment is not a fact, it's your particular brand of bias. You're making up your own alternate facts, and asserting anyone who isn't going along with your "facts" is too stupid and/or too dishonest to trust.

Unauthorized and unempowered election officials changing election rules and processes against the laws established by the duly elected legislatures -- who are in fact authorized and empowered to do so specifically in the Constitution -- is WRONG. Therefore, it is FACT that WRONGDOING occurred.

A County Recorder denying voters their right to new ballots if their first ballot is spoiled is against the established laws and processes enacted by the Constitutionally authorized and empowered legislatures is WRONG. Therefore, it is a FACT that WRONGDOING occurred.

A County Recorder defying both the Constitutionally authorized and empowered legislature's order to cease and desist, as well as the state Supreme Court's order to cease and desist doing so, is WRONG. Therefore, it is FACT that WRONGDOING occurred.

Anyone who cannot and/or will not admit such is WRONG, and cannot be trusted.

You're not open to "new information". You're open to doing anything possible to confirm your bias, including manufactured spin and misinformation.

Facts and reality is what it is. It is not "manufactured spin" and "misinformation."

And if you could prove me wrong, you would have done so already, instead of attacking me and the FACTS and information I'm providing.

Do you get tired of telling these facts on every other page of this thread for every yahoo that comes along and can't read anything before regurgitating the same worn out lies? You must have the patience of Job.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Boadicea

And if you could prove me wrong, you would have done so already, instead of attacking me and the FACTS and information I'm providing.

You haven't proven anything. You're throwing everything you can muster against the wall hoping something will stick. You're not looking for fraud, you're looking for loopholes so ballots can be thrown out. You're not even presenting your facts correctly!

You're not even presenting your alternative facts correctly, you're just assuming nobody really knows what you're talking about and will just believe your spin because of the persistence and timber of your insane outrage! "Look at how many accusations she makes! Look at all the biased links she provides! It must be true!" /sarc

You can try to assert your echo chamber rules, claiming anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with you is too stupid and/or too dishonest to participate in your thread, but can't silence all your critics here.

Please please please! Put down the Communist Democrat Handbook Of Snappy Comebacks And One-Liners Useful For Deflection before it ruins your mind. Think for yourself just once and do this. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

Do you get tired of telling these facts on every other page of this thread for every yahoo that comes along and can't read anything before regurgitating the same worn out lies? You must have the patience of Job.

LOL! It's not patience. Just orneriness and determination.

I don't mind explaining the facts as I know them to anyone who needs to know and wants to know. I'm happy if/when people want to know!

What I have no tolerance or patience for is the willful ignorance and refusal to discuss the events, or anything else that's practical or productive, but just want to drag down a discussion with trash talk.

For example, I would love more discussion about what folks think could be improved in terms of how the audit is conducted, how the auditors were chosen, necessary and proper election reform that would create a responsible and ethical approach to conducting audits from start to finish. Instead we just get vague accusations, double standards, and personal attacks. I just quit asking those kinds of questions, because no one ever responded.

But, if they're gonna do that, then some of us have gotta counter it. I started the thread, so it's part of the job!

a reply to: Boadicea

In this world, your attitude is special and rare, in a good kind of way. Congrats to your parents for doing such a good job, when your foundation was being built.

a reply to: carewemust

On behalf of my parents, thank you! They were pretty special people. And like most of us, I didn't appreciate them or cherish them like they deserved when they were still here to enjoy it. I wish I had it to do over again...

a reply to: Boadicea

Yet you continue to be willfully ignorant about this.

This is not a secure unbias audit. Anyone with common sense can see the issues here.

Furthermore if they(CyberNinjas) actually are transparent with their findings, we will see the ballots for Biden were flagged at an astronomically higher rate that ballots for Trump. The reason for this is simple, the people who are doing the 'recount' are bias, they want Trump to win therefore they will try to find anything wrong with a vote for Biden and flag that ballot for things they would ignore on a Trump ballot.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

Yet you continue to be willfully ignorant about this.

This is not a secure unbias audit. Anyone with common sense can see the issues here.

So you have said. Many times.

Furthermore if they(CyberNinjas) actually are transparent with their findings, we will see the ballots for Biden were flagged at an astronomically higher rate that ballots for Trump. The reason for this is simple, the people who are doing the 'recount' are bias, they want Trump to win therefore they will try to find anything wrong with a vote for Biden and flag that ballot for things they would ignore on a Trump ballot.

Maybe. Maybe not. Until the report is released, we do not know if that is true at all, or if it is true for the reasons you predict. It could also be that Biden votes are flagged at an "astronomically higher rate" because there are an astronomically high rate of fraudulent votes for Biden.

The release of the report will inform us about much more than the actual election findings. For starters, the report itself and whether it gives us the necessary information -- work sheets, photocopies, etc -- to understand how the auditors/Senate arrive at their conclusions. Obviously, if the proof is not in the report, and we have to take anyone's word for anything, that's not good enough. No matter what their conclusions. That's a big fat fail.

The report itself, and the accompanying information, will also inform us of the realized and potential problems with the methods used. It will tell us what's good, what's not, what can be improved, how it can be improved, what more or less can and should be done, and so on and so forth. It will inform us of what safeguarding measures are effective, which aren't, what to drop and what to change and what to add. It will inform us of what necessary and proper election reform to expect/demand.

And if, as you insist, this is a biased audit, that should be revealed as well. If they applied one standard to Biden votes and another to Trump votes... if they used different methods to analyze Trump votes and Biden votes... if they used more processes to analyze Biden votes than Trump votes... whatever.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: NotGuilty
a reply to: carewemust

youtu.be...
In retrospect, this 20second clip is all I need to see to know Barr was fleecing Trump and the new blood.

Ironically, that clip was used to bolster beliefs that Barr and Durham were making sure the arrests would "stick", once all the bad guys were handcuffed and jailed.

I know. I was one of the people who shared it originally. One of the reasons I’m still angry about it all. I feel played and betrayed.

Remember Mike Pompeo telling the press there will be a second Trump term after Trump “lost”? What was that about??
No resolution. No closure. All we can do is speculate.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Interesting:

Arizona Senate Conducting New Count Of Maricopa County Ballots
"The new count will focus on the number of ballots and will not count the actual votes, unlike the first two tabulations.

The Senate will use two counting machines that it purchased to complete the count, Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican, told the Arizona Republic."

Is this just to err on the side of caution? Or is there a significant difference in the number of physical ballots provided by the County and the number of votes reported by the County?

That is the only reason that makes any sense to me. They are doing this to provide a separate proof of the disparity in the number of votes and physical ballots, independent of the 'Cyber Ninja's' (a name easily ridiculed by weak pathetic minds looking for any excuse to deflect).

If their count confirms it, they'll probably call for the 4th count. I'm all for it, as it makes it basically unquestionable - except to the guilty parties, they'll of course never admit to their crimes.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Doesn't pretty anyone with a computer also have a printer/scanner/copier?

Don't even need that.

They ALL have phones, with cameras, that can take pictures, and email or text them.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Second, "widespread" is a very vague term. If you mean "widespread" as in a majority of the collective states, then no, not necessarily. I haven't ruled it out, but it's not something I think too much about.

Actually, I personally believe (my opinion) that the rumors about Trump having actually won the electoral college in a massive landslide - like, 410 electoral votes, carrying NY, California and all the other swing states, and more importantly won the popular vote by a huge margin - is true, and that is what tptb are really afraid of.

If AZ starts a snowball of audits, that is what will be revealed, if the audits are conducted properly, with no intention or acts of covering anything up or hiding anything - in my opinion.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Second, "widespread" is a very vague term. If you mean "widespread" as in a majority of the collective states, then no, not necessarily. I haven't ruled it out, but it's not something I think too much about.

Actually, I personally believe (my opinion) that the rumors about Trump having actually won the electoral college in a massive landslide - like, 410 electoral votes, carrying NY, California and all the other swing states, and more importantly won the popular vote by a huge margin - is true, and that is what tptb are really afraid of.

If AZ starts a snowball of audits, that is what will be revealed, if the audits are conducted properly, with no intention or acts of covering anything up or hiding anything - in my opinion.

Not so sure about CA & NY, but agree 100% on rest.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Boadicea
Okay. I hear you doubling down on your echo chamber rules! LOL

Hint: This isn't your personal blog. It's a social media board.

Yes, it is, and we are all watching you get your ass handed to you, time and time again.

BREAKING: President Trump Releases Letter from US Attorney Who Claimed AG Barr Told Him Not to Investigate the 2020 Election Results in Pennsylvania

The letter in its entirety (also posted on scribd):

JUNE 9, 2021

Dear President Trump,

It was my great honor to serve as U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania in your Administration. You asked me to prioritize public safety, and that is exactly what I did. While Larry Krasner, the radical leftist Philadelphia District Attorney, was letting violent criminals go and refusing to prosecute rioters, looters, and arsonists, our Office was putting them in jail and standing up for law-abiding citizens.

In the spring of 2020, I prosecuted and won an election fraud case against a Judge of Elections in South Philadelphia who was stuffing the ballot box. I also charged the political consultant (a former Democratic Congressman) who was paying bribes to the Judge to stuff the ballot box.

President Trump, you were right to be upset about the way the Democrats ran the 2020 election in Pennsylvania – it was a partisan disgrace. The Governor, the Secretary of the Commonwealth, and the partisan State Supreme Court made up their own rules and did not follow the law. Even worse, the State Attorney General, Josh Shapiro – the very person responsible for the enforcement of state election law – declared days before Election Day that you could not win the election. It would be hard to imagine a more irresponsible statement by a law enforcement officer, especially during a hotly contested election. In light of such statements, it is hardly surprising that many Pennsylvanians lack faith in our state’s election results.

On Election Day and afterwards, our Office received various allegations of voter fraud and election irregularities. As part of my responsibilities as U.S. Attorney, I wanted to be transparent with the public and, of course, investigate fully any allegations. Attorney General Barr, however, instructed me not to make any public statements or put out any press releases regarding possible election irregularities. I was also given a directive to pass along serious allegations to the State Attorney General for investigation – the same State Attorney General who had already declared that you could not win.

I disagreed with that decision, but those were my orders. As a Marine infantry officer, I was trained to follow the chain of command and to respect the orders of my superiors, even when I disagree with them.

Mr. President, public service is in my blood, and I would like to serve the people of Pennsylvania and restore conservative leadership to our state. I will be the Republican candidate for Governor with the best chance to win the general election in November 2022. Based on my background and experience, I am uniquely positioned to defeat Mr. Shapiro (the likely Democratic candidate) and would welcome the chance to discuss this with you in person. I would be honored to have your support.

Once elected Governor, one of my first priorities would be to modernize Pennsylvania’s election process and protect the right of all Pennsylvania citizens to cast a legitimate vote. That means no ballot harvesting, undated ballots, unsigned ballots, ballots collected after Election Day (other than legitimate military and overseas absentee ballots), obstacles to poll watchers observing the counting of ballots, different rules in different counties, and, of course, no ballot stuffing of the kind that I previously prosecuted. It also means responsible voter ID legislation. Ensuring people’s confidence in elections should be a nonpartisan issue. In short, we have a responsibility to make it easy to vote, but hard – if not impossible – to cheat. That is how we respect the will of the people – and how the best and most deserving candidates win.

Thank you for your consideration, and I hope to see you soon.

Very respectfully,
William M. McSwain
Former United States Attorney, Eastern District of PA, 2018-2021

So apparently this is new information to Trump as much as the rest of us. I wish its release wasn't associated with a campaign for office, rather than released simply for truth's sake. But it is what it is.

a reply to: tanstaafl

They are doing this to provide a separate proof of the disparity in the number of votes and physical ballots, independent of the 'Cyber Ninja's' (a name easily ridiculed by weak pathetic minds looking for any excuse to deflect).

I did not think of this, but I'm glad you did!

If there is a discrepancy -- especially a significant discrepancy -- it's just practical to have it confirmed by separately by sources independent of each other. That's just smart, even if the Cyber Ninjas didn't have a target on their backs.

Thank you!

a reply to: tanstaafl

Actually, I personally believe (my opinion) that the rumors about Trump having actually won the electoral college in a massive landslide - like, 410 electoral votes, carrying NY, California and all the other swing states, and more importantly won the popular vote by a huge margin - is true, and that is what tptb are really afraid of.

If AZ starts a snowball of audits, that is what will be revealed, if the audits are conducted properly, with no intention or acts of covering anything up or hiding anything - in my opinion.

I tend to think Sen Wendy Rogers agrees with you, based upon some of the comments she's made. She has called for audits in ALL counties -- whether Trump won there or not, whether Republican or Democrat run, whether they suspect fraud or not -- and she's called for at least a few times that I know of.

She must think there's something significant to be found. Or so it seems to me.