Inauguration Day - a View from Across the Pond

Morning folks. As some of you are no doubt aware, I'm somewhat interested in US Politics and the events we see unfolding before our eyes. Taking politics out of the equation for a moment and I see something else at play here I haven't really seen discussed.

Originally I was going to post this in the Predictions forum but I figured it would be moved here. Now as well as being a DJ of 27 years, I also worked in the security industry for 18 years, (Doors & Maritime Security with a little Close Protection thrown in towards the end) and I assess the situation like this.

So, the premise is that there is going to be mass Right Wing civil disorder on Wednesday, hence the National Guard have been called in.

Now, there are already voices speaking out about how the Capitol invasion was a Left Wing ploy to make the MAGA protestors who turned violent on the 6th look bad. Perhaps, in no small part, due to the revelation that John Sullivan founded Insurgence USA, in response to the George Floyd movement. Despite claims he was there to document the insurgency he is heard in his own recordings egging things on.

Despite claims he is tied to Black Lives Matter it seems he did host a couple of events but was blacklisted by them when he invited members of the Proud Boys onstage at his 2nd event and said he wanted to work with them.

The general consensus is that Sullivan is more of an opportunist and agent provocateur than any kind of activist.

Then there's Army Veteran Daniel Baker, who in all honesty seems to have been standing against what he believed [and realistically] was an invasion of the Capitol building. His pre-planning for this seems to be aimed at defending the building from a repeat on the 20th. Not that I agree with his propaganda, trying to raise a militia to join him.

So, as things stand, those on the Left feel that the Right stormed the Capitol and are trying to pin it on them. I would assume that, due to there being Right Wing Protests, Left Wing Counter Protests which, with tensions being high, could lead to flashpoints where violence between groups could erupt.
The accusation of inciting the violence could lead Left Wing Extremists to take advantage of the chaos and act.

The fact some on the Right Wing believe the 6th was a Left Wing plot could also lead to activity by Right Wing Extremists.

It's clear that all of the events that have unfolded under the name of MAGA, Antifa and BLM have had people in attendance that don't support their cause (naturally each side believes they are agitators from the other) but I feel that these are anarchists and adjacent types who are there for the violence, who will also be out in force on the 20th because they expect things to go down.

The whole event is a powder keg waiting to go off and there will be almost an unlimited number of opportunity for things to go wrong.

While I agree with the premise of the OP, the problem is that, if there is violence, only one side will get blamed. And we know which side that is.

Yes the right and left will probably be as guilty as each other on the day, the thing is the MSM will only report on the violent right.

I just hope one day they are held accountable for the divide they have caused.

a reply to: Flatcoat

I hope not, I'd like to think the violent will be caught and punished no matter their affiliation or none.

Excellent post, very good points, well thought out and well written. Totally agree the risk of violence is high due to the right clashing with left wing counter protests or doing something stupid.

Unfortunately you not from America and as such your views on this mean nothing, you shouldn’t post anything and try to tell them how to run their country.

Something about being a good christian....something something... this was a left wing terrorist plot the nice trump Qanon hero’s where just defending the government.

Ermmmm....you have TDS...trump should be paying you for the rent in your head

“Ohhh you would say that because CNN said so”

You also didn’t mention Hillary/Obama/Biden so you’ve lost all credibility and this thread is a joke

Your the racist....stop the steal....no you prove it, I don’t need proof *inserts link to random right wing rag*

Ohhh and I almost forgot

REEEEEEEEEEE!!!

There ya go av just covered every Trump-fan-boy response to this thread in one post.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Thanks. That saves me having to trawl through the right wing online "news" media for talking points.

In is not just some fringe groups involved in this conflict. With the level of fraud and political acceptance of it, the constitution is at stake.

With Trumps EO on foreign election interference a couple of years ago I expect the military has been watching it closely.

a reply to: djz3ro

It's clear that all of the events that have unfolded under the name of MAGA, Antifa and BLM have had people in attendance that don't support their cause (naturally each side believes they are agitators from the other) but I feel that these are anarchists and adjacent types who are there for the violence, who will also be out in force on the 20th because they expect things to go down.

I agree, and that has been true all summer. I would also suggest that these groups infiltrate each other, at the very least in online communities, if not in actual meetings/gatherings. There are no doubt also groups we have not every heard of involved.

And I also agree that many are just violent thugs looking to thump heads and break bones. They have no real political or social philosophy. It's just about the violence.

The whole event is a powder keg waiting to go off and there will be almost an unlimited number of opportunity for things to go wrong.

The critters can blame themselves for this mess, because both sides were far more interested in stoking anger and fanning flames than actually addressing and redressing grievances. Every one knew exactly what they were doing, they just never realized how it could and would get out of their control. I have wondered if this show of force is for that very reason. Kind of a message to thug "protesters" getting too big for their britches that "We are in control and don't forget it."

At the same time, I expect that no one in DC really knows the why either, and it would not surprise me if the critters themselves don't know the true reason, but think they know. And what they think they know would be whatever reason they would think it necessary and appropriate for them to be there.

I think the world has bigger problems right now with this plandemic and the forced transition into the "new normal". All the other stuff that is happening right now looks to me just like distractions from what really is happening.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Why thank you.

I just think it's a sort of self fulfilling prophecy, something is going to happen because so many people will be there expecting something to happen. It may explain the Military presence too.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
I think the world has bigger problems right now with this plandemic and the forced transition into the "new normal". All the other stuff that is happening right now looks to me just like distractions from what really is happening.

This is my distraction from what's going on, part of my socialising I guess.

But American on American violence is not something to be ignored.

originally posted by: kwakakev
In is not just some fringe groups involved in this conflict. With the level of fraud and political acceptance of it, the constitution is at stake.

With Trumps EO on foreign election interference a couple of years ago I expect the military has been watching it closely.

I hope that is the case but there does seem to have been a lot of chatter from lots of different groups organising things from today until at least the 21st (not sure if today was heading to DC or something else).

originally posted by: kwakakev
In is not just some fringe groups involved in this conflict. With the level of fraud and political acceptance of it, the constitution is at stake.

With Trumps EO on foreign election interference a couple of years ago I expect the military has been watching it closely.

They have.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Unfortunately you not from America and as such your views on this mean nothing, you shouldn’t post anything and try to tell them how to run their country.

Incorrect.

This is a well written and thoughtful OP rather than a mindless rant about how evil the right is. You'd do well to emulate it.

It's straight up and doesn't use language laden with hyperbole that's popular with some posters.

Star and flag from me.

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Why thank you.

I just think it's a sort of self fulfilling prophecy, something is going to happen because so many people will be there expecting something to happen. It may explain the Military presence too.

Ohhh yeah there is gonna be violence, it’s gonna be ugly I predict it will be just as bad if not worse than the capital building attack.

The important thing to remember though is that only people on the left are ever bad and it’s never, ever, trump supporters in special forces cosplay who are violent. No matter what every reputable news outlet/law enforcement agency/eye whiteness/video recordings or you own eyes tell you..:it was those dirty Chinese sponsored leftists...and everything else is fake news even though it was 100% the glorious trump supporters who attacked capital hill...it was fake news...never happened...prove it.

Your a leftist racist and done with this stupid thread.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You forgot the " China flu / socialist take over / coming for our guns / taking back our country / infringing on our human rights / election fraud / dems drink the blood of infants / lock up hillary and Pelosi / trump is saving us all from the deep state etc etc talking points.

To the OP, it is a powder keg but it's pretty hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
For 4 years trump has encouraged all the usual suspects to come out into the light. But it's probably not the white supremacists or the Qanon kooks or antifa that pose the real threat.
I doubt that Joe public will ever know the real truth as to who infiltrated the trump rally on the 6th. Why would the security services disclose details they didn't have to?
Far better to allow disinfo to spread around and feed the CT that keeps everything and everyone in the dark.

Left blames the right and vice versa. That is what TPTB want. Easier to control the masses when everyone is suspicious of their neighbours.

The real infiltrators are probably the anarchist militia groups, who don't recognize the gubberment. They want to burn it all down. And they have the guns and the tactical training. They are not afraid to die for their beliefs. They are not left/right. But they are ready.

All the trump stuff is a distraction...if there are forces at work organizing an insurrection ..it is the quiet ones coming out of their remote compounds that are probably the biggest risk.

There are a few theories going atm about Stone/Manafort/Flynn and an events company called Event Strategies. It involves the father of the cop who committed suicide after the attack on the Capitol, Howard Liebengood Jr.
Classic rabbit hole.

a reply to: djz3ro

I'm starting to see evidence that there were more Antifa there than I originally thought and if both groups show up in any quantity there it could be ugly. I think the orders given to the NG will play a huge role in how ugly. Hopefully they're more proactive than the police at keeping the groups away from one another.

I'm not even interested in the narratives about who started the rioting. I said during the previous riots it's irrelevant who started it and it doesn't excuse anybody that participated. If people were intentionally planning or urging others on they should catch additional charges.

We can't keep making excuses for rioters and we can't keep conflating protest with rioting no matter who is doing it.

a reply to: Boadicea

Or perhaps this is the endgame of the American arm of Divide and Conquer?

Crazy times we're living in.

a reply to: djz3ro

I kind of look at American political supporters as European football supporters...

Most are just fans who cheer their team on but you can't avoid the hooligans. And no matter how much you are going to reason, argue or analyze this stuff, they just want to drink from the skulls of their enemies.

Sad state of affairs if you are an American, good viewing if you are from any other place.

Peace

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Unfortunately you not from America and as such your views on this mean nothing, you shouldn’t post anything and try to tell them how to run their country.

Incorrect.

This is a well written and thoughtful OP rather than a mindless rant about how evil the right is. You'd do well to emulate it.

It's straight up and doesn't use language laden with hyperbole that's popular with some posters.

Star and flag from me.

That was what I was going for, I wanted to invite proper discussion and not something that would be slung in the mud pit.