A Political thought

originally posted by: FauxMulder
What about repealing the 17th amendment?

That works too.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


"Great men do not seek power, they have power thrust upon them."
~KahLess the unforgettable


The very desire for power or authority in a person is an indication that they should not be allowed to wield it, having more parties is a better idea than just having the two, but it will still simply enable monsters to rule over the people.

I don't have an answer, but that doesn't mean it's not a fundamental problem.

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
I dunno, maybe we start with..."No More Career Politicians", and build from there.

Add 'no more lobbying'.

What about repealing the 17th amendment?

What does that accomplish?

originally posted by: kwakakev
The Patriot party is one that comes to mind. seams to be a few rallying around that for the nation. Do see a possibility of the military taking over this election mess and having a new election. Could be lots of independents, those known for helping out the community. Having a party system does help share resources when there is a lot going on.

The Patriot Party is helmed by a guy who thinks the space force is going to swoop down and arrest all the Democrats and ship Tom Hanks off to gitmo.

You’d be trading bad for stupider bad. That’s a no from me dawg.

originally posted by: underwerks
You’d be trading bad for stupider bad. That’s a no from me dawg.

He's in Australia, he's not trading for anything.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It's an interesting idea. That amendment may have changed the constitution too far from the founders intent. However, with the states now being more reliant on the federal government than ever, it might not change things too much. Unless the country as a whole would finally demand the feds stay within the confines of the constitution.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
I dunno, maybe we start with..."No More Career Politicians", and build from there.

Add 'no more lobbying'.

What about repealing the 17th amendment?

What does that accomplish?

Do some reading on the pros and cons of it. It's an interesting topic. It would for one give state government more of a say in how things are done on a national level as was intended by the founders. There's arguments to be made that we are too far gone for it to matter now.

Is it time to repeal the 17th Amendment?

The 17th Amendment to our constitution changed the way Senators are chosen to serve in the Congress. As ratified in the original constitution, Senators were chosen by state legislatures to serve for a term of six years, while Representatives in the House were to be chosen by direct vote of the people. This is the principle behind “Bicameralism” - two branches of the legislative body answering to two separate constituencies, the Senate to the elected state governments and the House directly to the people. The 17th Amendment changed this to provide for Senators being elected by the popular vote.

There were two major arguments to justifying the ratification of the 17th Amendment. The first presumed the election process for Senators had become too corrupt. The second hinged on state legislature voting deadlocks resulting in delays for state representation in the Senate. A third minor factor presumed state legislatures were consumed with selecting a Senator.

Todd Zywicki in his outstanding review of the 17th Amendment for the Cleveland State Law Review echoes the current analysis challenging the validity of these arguments. He summarized the majority of evidence concluding: “…there is no indication that the shift to direct elections did anything to eliminate or even reduce corruption in Senate elections.” “…Deadlocks were exceptional…the great majority of Senate elections were conducted without incident.” and “…the truth was that most legislatures took one vote at the beginning of each day and continued with their normal affairs.”

The Anti-Federalist Papers informs us that James Wilson stated “…one branch of the General Government, the Senate or second branch, was to be appointed by the State Legislatures. The State Legislatures, therefore, by this participation in the General Government would have an opportunity of defending their rights.” James Madison, in the Federalist Papers confirms this view that “The Senate on the other hand will derive its power from the States…”

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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It is a good idea, but accomplishing such a thing when the one party system (it is one party) has a stranglehold on the system would be impossible.
Especially now, with Dominion systems guaranteeing that the same schmucks will continue to win.

With all the accusations of voter cheating every time there’s an election - every body cheats.
You need paper ballots, with watchers watching the watchers watching the counters....

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

What you need is one person, one vote.
On everything, then there is no need to pay people to lie to you.

Just have a number, issued at birth and assign it to a device and you can have your say on anything.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
I dunno, maybe we start with..."No More Career Politicians", and build from there.

Add 'no more lobbying'.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

This, starting right now.

originally posted by: butcherguy
We need to have fewer laws in our country.

We also need to stop being jammed for tax monies.

Speaking for myself, I pay in WAY MORE than I get back in return.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

What you need is one person, one vote.
On everything, then there is no need to pay people to lie to you.

Just have a number, issued at birth and assign it to a device and you can have your say on anything.

Or just microchip everybody now, babies as soon as they’re born.

It could have all your information on it, so the world can become a paperless Utopia.

originally posted by: snowspirit
You need paper ballots, with watchers watching the watchers watching the counters....

I like the idea of a guy holding a .45 to the back of the counter's head.

If it was me doing the counting ... there would be no mistake.

Call it a civic responsibility if you're called on to count ... like jury duty. LMAO

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Good idea, but it's too late in my opinion. We have real Americans and then we have democrats and people who support democrats. We've been on this collision course for years but by the time it hit us, it was too late to see it coming.

a reply to: underwerks

You’d be trading bad for stupider bad.

I see the Patriots are about supporting the constitution and rule of law. If you think that is stupider bad, I guess we all have to make our own decisions.

originally posted by: snowspirit

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It is a good idea, but accomplishing such a thing when the one party system (it is one party) has a stranglehold on the system would be impossible.
Especially now, with Dominion systems guaranteeing that the same schmucks will continue to win.

With all the accusations of voter cheating every time there’s an election - every body cheats.
You need paper ballots, with watchers watching the watchers watching the counters....

And body cams on every counter.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Clearly there' no ideological differences between them; there's only us (people) and them.

I'm glad that lightbulb clicked on for you, the problem is there's still too many people that think they are different.

What is the proposed platform?

Ummm...TBH...I’ve actually been thinking about that very thing...

I took the time out of my very busy schedule to read both the Libertarian and the Constitutional parties platforms...erm...charters...

Libertarian party platform

The Constitution party




I suggest we take the best of both of these charters and combine them into one...

I’ve been thinking of doing that for some time now...perhaps now might be a decent time to start...

They both have some very good positions...and quite frankly some untenable positions as well...

How about paring away the untenable and narrow focus...and keeping only the broadest appealing positions...

We could also use other party platforms not mentioned above...


All this stated without my usual snide smirk in place...








YouSir

originally posted by: YouSir
Libertarian party platform

The Constitution party

Enjoy being called a communist/socialist for selecting a moderate platform. It's part of the fun for me.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: YouSir
Libertarian party platform

The Constitution party

Enjoy being called a communist/socialist for selecting a moderate platform. It's part of the fun for me.

Ummm...it is indeed good to be underestimated...

Then again...we’re both Libertarians...and Constitutionalists...

So yes...definitely commie socialists...





YouSir

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: underwerks

You’d be trading bad for stupider bad.

I see the Patriots are about supporting the constitution and rule of law. If you think that is stupider bad, I guess we all have to make our own decisions.

Goes right back to what I said when I mentioned that it's too late now.

"We have real Americans and then we have democrats and people who support democrats."