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The free market vs freedom of speech

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posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:18 PM
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As a capitalist business owner I love the free-market. One of the things I love about it is how I, as a business owner, can choose who I want to do business with and who I don’t. Who I want to hire, or fire, and who I don’t. It’s all up to me, as it relates to my business, my employees and my clients.

Free speech, as protected from government infringement, is also a wonderful thing. However sometimes Americans seem to forget that their freedom from government infringement on their speech doesn’t absolve them of personal accountability as it relates to their job, their friends and family, etc.

My dad drank a lot, and as such I spent a lot of my time growing up in bars and taverns. I saw a lot of bar fights started by loud mouths. Those who started these fights, regardless of what they were about, were summarily tossed out. Sometimes they were banned; and sometimes these people were so onerous as to be banned from every bar in the county, simply because they just didn’t know how to keep their mouth shut.

America is a wonderful place with its mix of laws and social norms. Between freedom of speech from government infringement and the free market. Between these two poles we can find the culture of social norms that make america beautiful.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: HunkaHunka

So much for free market the banks just placed limits on donations to lawmakers who supported President Trump and those who objected the electoral college vote count.

It's getting ready to be not so free for republicans that supported trump.




posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: HunkaHunka
As a capitalist business owner I love the free-market. One of the things I love about it is how I, as a business owner, can choose who I want to do business with and who I don’t. Who I want to hire, or fire, and who I don’t. It’s all up to me, as it relates to my business, my employees and my clients.

Free speech, as protected from government infringement, is also a wonderful thing. However sometimes Americans seem to forget that their freedom from government infringement on their speech doesn’t absolve them of personal accountability as it relates to their job, their friends and family, etc.

My dad drank a lot, and as such I spent a lot of my time growing up in bars and taverns. I saw a lot of bar fights started by loud mouths. Those who started these fights, regardless of what they were about, were summarily tossed out. Sometimes they were banned; and sometimes these people were so onerous as to be banned from every bar in the county, simply because they just didn’t know how to keep their mouth shut.

America is a wonderful place with its mix of laws and social norms. Between freedom of speech from government infringement and the free market. Between these two poles we can find the culture of social norms that make america beautiful.


So, like... If we want to have our view points respected, we should make our own social networking website right?

Somewhere conservatives can go and voice their opinions freely.

We could call it... Parler.

Oh, wait. Can't do that either.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: HunkaHunka

Except these social engineering networks are hardly independent of government.

They donate heavily to Democrat politicians/causes.

There is a revolving door policy between executives from these companies and Democrat administrations.

There is a clear double standard in the way they enforce their policies.

These are State backed monopolies working together as a cartel to stifle competition and to silence people they view as political dissident/threats.





edit on 11-1-2021 by gladtobehere because: typo



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Private companies banning you for being a dick and pushing lies isn’t trampling your first amendment. That’s their choice. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a place ban someone for talking about free market principles or any of the other things that are supposedly part of right wing ideology.

It’s the hateful part that places have a problem with. And I don’t blame them. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, companies have the right to ban you for it.

Don’t like it, grow up. No one is here to cater to how you think things should be. Business owners have a right to run their businesses how they choose. The constitution only applies to government.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

How about publicly traded companies?



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:43 PM
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"Let the market decide"

The market decides it doesn't like alt-right non-sense.

"No, not like that!"



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:49 PM
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THIS is the part the juveniles have an issue with


originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Private companies banning you for being a dick and pushing lies isn’t trampling your first amendment. That’s their choice. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a place ban someone for talking about free market principles or any of the other things that are supposedly part of right wing ideology.

It’s the hateful part that places have a problem with. And I don’t blame them. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, companies have the right to ban you for it.

Don’t like it, grow up. No one is here to cater to how you think things should be. Business owners have a right to run their businesses how they choose. The constitution only applies to government.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:49 PM
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Freedom of speech is a fundamental right in any democratic society.

Espousing lies in order to raise funds for lawsuits and stirring up deep rooted suspicions that were planted from the same mouth months ago has the right to be challenged and statements refuting the claims attached to any social media post.

It’s gone to courts all over the U.S and the evidence of the claims being made never came to fruition.

Free markets are great when they remain free. I have witnessed an awful lot of corporate socialism from my Government. Always ready and willing to hand out £Billions to protect their donors interests. Not so quick with the real backbone of our society, the SME’s.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:50 PM
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Same thing... they are held to the demands of the majority of their share holders


originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: underwerks

How about publicly traded companies?



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:51 PM
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Nothing requires them to be independent of government.... a bar that got stimulus money has the same right to toss out a patron as a bar that didn’t




originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: HunkaHunka

Except these social engineering networks are hardly independent of government.

They donate heavily to Democrat politicians/causes.

There is a revolving door policy between executives from these companies and Democrat administrations.

There is a clear double standard in the way they enforce their policies.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 02:56 PM
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Quit trolling.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: HunkaHunka

Except these social engineering networks are hardly independent of government.

They donate heavily to Democrat politicians/causes.

There is a revolving door policy between executives from these companies and Democrat administrations.

There is a clear double standard in the way they enforce their policies.


And they have received billions in subsidies and enjoy litigation protection.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: HunkaHunka

These tech giants are quasi-governmental when they are some of the biggest donors to political campaigns and are controlling the vast majority of political discourse in this country right now. That is a problem, that's not just "free markets acting as free markets do", the line has been crossed. Not sure why it's so challenging explaining this to the left but it is like bashing a head into a wall again every time



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Private companies banning you for being a dick and pushing lies isn’t trampling your first amendment. That’s their choice. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a place ban someone for talking about free market principles or any of the other things that are supposedly part of right wing ideology.

It’s the hateful part that places have a problem with. And I don’t blame them. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, companies have the right to ban you for it.

Don’t like it, grow up. No one is here to cater to how you think things should be. Business owners have a right to run their businesses how they choose. The constitution only applies to government.


I am confused, how does this even remotely apply to what I said?



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: HunkaHunka
THIS is the part the juveniles have an issue with


originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Private companies banning you for being a dick and pushing lies isn’t trampling your first amendment. That’s their choice. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a place ban someone for talking about free market principles or any of the other things that are supposedly part of right wing ideology.

It’s the hateful part that places have a problem with. And I don’t blame them. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, companies have the right to ban you for it.

Don’t like it, grow up. No one is here to cater to how you think things should be. Business owners have a right to run their businesses how they choose. The constitution only applies to government.


So... Opening up my own business to cater to the people displaced by other social networks terms and conditions, then having my website removed from the internet for doing just that....

That is a free and fair market? Believing in this is "juvenile?"

Classy.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Business owners have a right to run their businesses how they choose.


Except when it comes to:

State and Federal Tax Codes
State and Federal Employment Law
State and Federal Occupational Safety Law
State and Federal Environmental Law
State and Federal Antitrust Law
State and Federal Advertising Law
State and Federal Email Marketing Law
State and Federal Privacy Law
State and Federal Licensing and Permitting Law
State and Federal Anti-discrimination Law

and on and on...

If your political comrades were on the recieving end of what we are witnessing today (and eventually they will be), you'd be screaming bloody murder.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
"Let the market decide"

The subsidized and protected market decides it doesn't like alt-right non-sense.

"No, not like that!"


Fixed it for you.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:22 PM
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You keep trying to twist it into something it’s not. No such thing as a “quasi-governmental” business that is somehow seen as congress.

Keep in mind that the 1st Ammendment states it’s about congress

“ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”


originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: HunkaHunka

These tech giants are quasi-governmental when they are some of the biggest donors to political campaigns and are controlling the vast majority of political discourse in this country right now. That is a problem, that's not just "free markets acting as free markets do", the line has been crossed. Not sure why it's so challenging explaining this to the left but it is like bashing a head into a wall again every time



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

originally posted by: HunkaHunka
THIS is the part the juveniles have an issue with


originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Private companies banning you for being a dick and pushing lies isn’t trampling your first amendment. That’s their choice. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a place ban someone for talking about free market principles or any of the other things that are supposedly part of right wing ideology.

It’s the hateful part that places have a problem with. And I don’t blame them. You have the freedom to say whatever you want, companies have the right to ban you for it.

Don’t like it, grow up. No one is here to cater to how you think things should be. Business owners have a right to run their businesses how they choose. The constitution only applies to government.


So... Opening up my own business to cater to the people displaced by other social networks terms and conditions, then having my website removed from the internet for doing just that....

That is a free and fair market? Believing in this is "juvenile?"

Classy.


geez....you can't have a website banned...you can have the search engine that listed it banned, from that search engine. just like "dark sites" are not listed in general search engines owed by google, microsoft, apple.




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