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Capitalism? Is that what you call this?

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posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: okrian

Bingo.


Serious question, what's stopping someone from hosting a site on their own privately owned servers?


I asked this on another post............crickets.

I'll tell you the answer, money, smarts, foresight..
Tech has always been championed by the left. Maybe those on the right have some reflecting to do.


Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.

I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...

Where does this all end?

Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.

Get a freaking grip.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: okrian

Bingo.


Serious question, what's stopping someone from hosting a site on their own privately owned servers?


And what happens when ISPs decide to start blocking access to these sites?
Just start laying fiber optic cable world wide and start a new ISP complete with hubs etc, for only conservatives?
Sometimes thinking is necessary before posting



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:02 PM
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Monopoly laws were designed to keep single businesses from destroying diversity and people's chances of owning businesses to make a living. Can you see what this pandemic has accomplished, it probably hurt or killed more lives of small business owners than it actually killed people. Sure, our government lent them money to survive, now they are further in debt, this will result in years more of hard work to pay down the debt, and higher prices for consumers is not possible when Amazon can deliver it cheaper.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: network dude


Is the movement so weak that it is that dependent on google?


More bizarro think.

Google literally controls the lion's share of commerce and public discourse.

But you're too focused on scoring meaningless points against the political enemy du jour.

Forget fluoride, I'm convinced lead is purposely placed into the water supply.

Wow. Just wow.




edit on 11-1-2021 by loam because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: loam




Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.
I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...
Where does this all end?
Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.
Get a freaking grip.


The right has taken a dump on tech for as long as I've been alive. Now that has backfired they are mad and I hate small business? Hilarious.

A simple question for you, is FB, Twitter or Apple a public utility? If not, then it is not comparable.
Some of those were literally small business that grew up to be big businesses just like everyone loves.
edit on 11-1-2021 by JAGStorm because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: okrian

Bingo.


Serious question, what's stopping someone from hosting a site on their own privately owned servers?


I asked this on another post............crickets.

I'll tell you the answer, money, smarts, foresight..
Tech has always been championed by the left. Maybe those on the right have some reflecting to do.


The problem is that there is a concerted effort (i.e. collusion) to censor and remove ALL opposing viewpoints. Not only did Apple and Google ban Parler from their phones, but Amazon removed all access from its web services. So where does it stop? You also have banks who are now blocking financial transactions of conservatives. I'm sure it won't be long before the wireless carriers also start censoring and blocking communications on THEIR networks. I mean, why not? If Big Tech and banks can get away with censoring and enforcing their political ideologies on their customers, then why can't everyone???

And yes, you probably could use your own server and start your own platform...but what good does that do if Google won't show it in any search results and any mention of it is blocked on every platform everywhere...oh, and then your bank shuts down your bank accounts since you have become a persona non grata due to your political ideology.....



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: network dude


Is the movement so weak that it is that dependent on google?


I am an IT guy, but small time. I don't look for large platforms to host worldwide apps, but Parler does. And the grasp Google and other big tech companies have on the internet as a whole are all encompassing.

Please, I have no clue about any of this. I want to know that there are options for others to operate. So finding an answer to your question is important for a few reasons. Have you found an answer yet?



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: network dude

Is it capitalism? Yes. Not the capitalism of the past but rather the demented inbred child of capitalism that was allowed to grow in the womb of an economic system that prospered only because of the base it used in the wake of WW2,

That base was the United States. Dominant after that war, the only industrial nation not bombed to smithereens. An intact delivery system ready to ship product to the whole world. Work galore as US workers produced good for all around the world.

Resources from around the world because it was US corporations that swooped in and took control of those resources.

There were warnings about what capitalism could grow into but they were ignored by those mesmerized by the wealth it brought them. Now, we got what we got, Capitalism's bastard child.


and here I am, wondering if you are good with all this, or do you see it as a problem? the sad part is, even after reading your post, I honestly don't know.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: loam




Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.
I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...
Where does this all end?
Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.
Get a freaking grip.


The right has taken a dump on tech for as long as I've been alive. Now that has backfired they are mad and I hate small business? Hilarious.

A simple question for you, is FB, Twitter or Apple a public utility? If not, then it is not comparable.
Some of those were literally small business that grew up to be big businesses just like everyone loves.


We wouldn't need to have the debate if it ended at just Twitter censoring the President and he went to Parler. But they have taken it beyond that where Parler can't even operate....

I think facebook, google, and some other services aren't public utilities but I don't think of them as independent small businesses either. They kind of fall into a grey area.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:15 PM
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This is an evolved form of what I call "Woke-Capitalism"



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: loam




Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.
I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...
Where does this all end?
Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.
Get a freaking grip.


The right has taken a dump on tech for as long as I've been alive. Now that has backfired they are mad and I hate small business? Hilarious.

A simple question for you, is FB, Twitter or Apple a public utility? If not, then it is not comparable.
Some of those were literally small business that grew up to be big businesses just like everyone loves.


And if tomorrow, "they" decided that you were only allowed to see CNN and Amazon through your internet connection, you would still champion this? that power isn't far removed from what we are seeing today. You just have to look past the cheeks.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:19 PM
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Meh, I called this two years ago. Nobody wanted to listen.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: loam




Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.
I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...
Where does this all end?
Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.
Get a freaking grip.


The right has taken a dump on tech for as long as I've been alive. Now that has backfired they are mad and I hate small business? Hilarious.

A simple question for you, is FB, Twitter or Apple a public utility? If not, then it is not comparable.
Some of those were literally small business that grew up to be big businesses just like everyone loves.


The ignorance of your reply is profound.

Are all of these public utilities?

The US Dept of Justice: Antitrust Case Filings.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: loam




Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.
I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...
Where does this all end?
Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.
Get a freaking grip.


The right has taken a dump on tech for as long as I've been alive. Now that has backfired they are mad and I hate small business? Hilarious.

A simple question for you, is FB, Twitter or Apple a public utility? If not, then it is not comparable.
Some of those were literally small business that grew up to be big businesses just like everyone loves.


We wouldn't need to have the debate if it ended at just Twitter censoring the President and he went to Parler. But they have taken it beyond that where Parler can't even operate....

I think facebook, google, and some other services aren't public utilities but I don't think of them as independent small businesses either. They kind of fall into a grey area.


It's crazy right? I made a whole bunch of 'poop in a jar' but no one will sell it. It's all their fault!
Well, them and Antifa. It's also their fault.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: loam




Aside from this characterization being a load of bull crap, it's stunningly elitist. You must really hate small businesses.
I suppose you would support people now having to build their own power plants, phone companies, transportation systems, hospitals, etc...
Where does this all end?
Views like yours are a scourge that will eventually have dire consequences if not abated.
Get a freaking grip.


The right has taken a dump on tech for as long as I've been alive. Now that has backfired they are mad and I hate small business? Hilarious.

A simple question for you, is FB, Twitter or Apple a public utility? If not, then it is not comparable.
Some of those were literally small business that grew up to be big businesses just like everyone loves.


And if tomorrow, "they" decided that you were only allowed to see CNN and Amazon through your internet connection, you would still champion this? that power isn't far removed from what we are seeing today. You just have to look past the cheeks.


You appear to be under the impression that ISPs don't already have the power to block websites.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: network dude

A lot of companies of ALL sizes turn to AWS and Google for two reasons -

1. They can offload some security risk by relying on a 3rd party. The theory is that Amazon and Google spend FAR more on the security of their systems than most companies can or want to budget for....so it is easier to rely on them for this service.

2. AWS and Googles of the world offer key features such disaster recovery and resiliency that make them attractive versus a company trying to manage all this themselves. Even those with robust IT depts often view the resources that AWS and Google can offer as "tools" to make their lives easier. This comes at the expense of these companies having some type of control over your data and systems....which until NOW has been a low risk. If someone had warned you 30 days ago that AWS would arbitrarily and unilaterally just delete an entire business because of ideological differences, people would have though you were high...and not on life.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: network dude

I think so. It's the free market making decisions on who they do business with.

Just like when conservatives got upset with Netflix over Cuties. Many who felt the movie was in poor taste or sexualized young girls cancelled subscriptions. Or when apple was threatening to remove tumblr from the app store because tumblr had users uploading child porn on it.

And it's not like Parler can't just put up a website somewhere and create a mobile version of the website for hand held devices.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: network dude

I think so. It's the free market making decisions on who they do business with.

Just like when conservatives got upset with Netflix over Cuties. Many who felt the movie was in poor taste or sexualized young girls cancelled subscriptions. Or when apple was threatening to remove tumblr from the app store because tumblr had users uploading child porn on it.

And it's not like Parler can't just put up a website somewhere and create a mobile version of the website for hand held devices.


and when you look on Google for an alternative to Twitter, you can assure me that Google won't censor the results, or do we need to find a search engine that Google doesn't own?

I'm afraid you and those like you won't see the forest beyond the trees until one falls on you. But rest assured, it will happen.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: CIAGypsy

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: okrian

Bingo.


Serious question, what's stopping someone from hosting a site on their own privately owned servers?


I asked this on another post............crickets.

I'll tell you the answer, money, smarts, foresight..
Tech has always been championed by the left. Maybe those on the right have some reflecting to do.


The problem is that there is a concerted effort (i.e. collusion) to censor and remove ALL opposing viewpoints. Not only did Apple and Google ban Parler from their phones, but Amazon removed all access from its web services. So where does it stop? You also have banks who are now blocking financial transactions of conservatives. I'm sure it won't be long before the wireless carriers also start censoring and blocking communications on THEIR networks. I mean, why not? If Big Tech and banks can get away with censoring and enforcing their political ideologies on their customers, then why can't everyone???

And yes, you probably could use your own server and start your own platform...but what good does that do if Google won't show it in any search results and any mention of it is blocked on every platform everywhere...oh, and then your bank shuts down your bank accounts since you have become a persona non grata due to your political ideology.....


I understand what you are saying but is HARD to prove in court. The other part of that would mandating a business to enter into a contract with another when one party doesn't want to which I don't know if that's even possible.



posted on Jan, 11 2021 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: okrian

You are 100% spot on. The Bible says, "You reap what you sow". And now those that pushed for deregulation are facing unintended consequences of their actions in the past.

Just like I laughed when Trump passed the Monuments Act. I said to myself, "That is going to come back and bite them in the behind with a vengeance."





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