The First 9/11 Sceptic

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: democracydemo

No link for witness provided, just another one of your false claims again.

Stupid logic.

Then for Hulsey’s implied innuendo that the WTC 7 penthouse dropped because of pyrotechnics. List the name of a witness that saw someone push the button for controlled demolition.

a reply to: neutronflux

You started this so game on! Now how do you fit Fitterman Hall damage as proof for WTC 7 not falling symmetrically, how did you get to this deduction?

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

You started this so game on! Now how do you fit Fitterman Hall damage as proof for WTC 7 not falling symmetrically, how did you get to this deduction?

It shows the mythology created by AE truth is a falsehood.

And just another thing missing from Hulsey’s model to show its junk. And ignored actual physical damage caused by WTC 7 that bears witness to the physics of the collapse.

9/11 and BMCC

www.bmcc.cuny.edu...

Remembrance and Resilience
Borough of Manhattan Community College (BMCC) is the only college in United States history to have lost a campus building to a terrorist attack. Fiterman Hall was donated to BMCC by in 1993 by Miles and Shirley Fiterman, and provided about a third of the College’s classroom space. On the morning of 9/11, BMCC faculty and staff in Fiterman Hall — just a few blocks from the Towers — heard the explosions and helped people into ambulances who were injured from falling debris.

In the hours that followed, BMCC helped the Port Authority of New York create a triage in the gym at the College’s main campus building at 199 Chambers Street, using first aid kits and other supplies from the BMCC Nursing Department. Generators were also set up and 199 Chambers Street became the Command Center for the New York Port Authority.

Then at 5:20 on the afternoon of 9/11, World Trade 7, across the street from Fiterman Hall, collapsed and fell against it. More than seven stories of debris piled against a corner of the building and it became uninhabitable. BMCC Building and Grounds workers, safety staff, administrators and volunteers gathered their efforts at 199 Chambers Street, where they stayed more than two weeks, working around the clock and sleeping on cots.

Evidently Hulsey ignore that “ World Trade 7, across the street from Fiterman Hall, collapsed and fell against it.”. And forget to include that as an environmental factor in the modeling. Other words. More proof the modeling was forced to fit the created mythology by AE truth, not the actual physics of the collapse.



Notice the damage to Fiterman hall starts at the roof and shows something pushed down along its wall

a reply to: democracydemo

If all of WTC 7 fell straight down, why wasn’t this part of the outer facade pancake? It’s laying draped across the top of the WTC 7 debris pile. Like part of the interior of WTC 7 collapsed before the facade, then the facade twisted and fell after the core.



www.bbc.com...

I think there is a better picture taken of the pile from above if you want be to try and find it.

a reply to: democracydemo

Post by Oystein
www.metabunk.org...
Sept 3, 2019 release of Hulsey's WTC7 draft report: Analysis

www.metabunk.org...-233708

Post 29

How did so much of the facade end up on top?

I haven't read all the replies yet. The thing that should have been put into everyone's faces was that all evidence shows it was orchestrated by (or at least involved or, maybe, made to look like) Saudi Arabia. Nobody invaded them: Iraq=yes, Afghanistan=yes, Saudi Arabia=no

a reply to: neutronflux

So this idea of "moot" and proof WTC 7 not falling symmetrically originated from a post by Oystein @ Metabunk?

a reply to: democracydemo

Answer the question.

If WTC 7 fell straight down with all columns cut at the same instance, how did the facade, literally the side of WTC 7, end up draped across the top of the ruble pile.



It’s like the core fell first, gutted WTC 7, and then at least one side of the facade, side of the building, then fell on top of the already collapsed core.

a reply to: neutronflux

It’s like the core fell first, gutted WTC 7, and then at least one side of the facade, side of the building, then fell on top of the already collapsed core.

Which coincides with Dr. Hulsey's report on page 105:

4.6 Results of Core Column/Exterior Column Failure Analysis

Finding that NIST’s scenario of horizontal progressive core column collapse was not feasible,and would not result in the observed straight-down collapse, we then simulated the simultaneous failure of all core columns over 8 stories followed 1.3 seconds later by the simultaneous failure of all exterior columns over 8 stories.

What did this simulation show neutron?
source

a reply to: democracydemo

This
“ Finding that NIST’s scenario of horizontal progressive core column collapse was not feasible,and would not result in the observed straight-down collapse,”


If it was not Feasible. How did at least one outer wall of WTC 7 end up on top of the ruble pile of WTC7



And an outer wall lay draped across the debris pile.


And if WTC 7 fell straight down. How did not only at least one outer wall end up on top of of the ruble pile. How did WTC 7 damage Fiterman Hall.




While Hulsey’s report ignores the kink that developed during collapse,
Arup-GNA investigation had an explanation…

The failure of column 79 and its supported floor area leaves column 80 unbraced and its buckling then causes the kink observed in the penthouse as seen in the collapse videos.

www.researchgate.net...

www.structuremag.org...

What’s Hulsey’s explanation for the kink? Is it in his modeling? What’s Hulsey’s explanation for the collapse of the penthouse? What’s Hulsey’s explanation for the damage of Fiterman Hall by WTC 7? What’s Hulsey’s explanation that part of WTC 7’s outer wall fell across the ruble pile, and not straight down.

a reply to: JonU2

Saudi was a player, no doubt, but Mossad was running the show.

a reply to: neutronflux

This
“ Finding that NIST’s scenario of horizontal progressive core column collapse was not feasible,and would not result in the observed straight-down collapse,”

No.

Based on this analysis, we found that the simultaneous failure of all core columns followed by the simultaneous failure of all exterior columns produces almost exactly the behavior observed in videos of the collapse. The computer time history model accounted for mass and acceleration during collapse in which an acceleration time dependent function accounted for impact resistance over time.

page 106

a reply to: democracydemo

Your quoting mythology.

Again…

The reality.

What’s Hulsey’s explanation for the kink? Is it in his modeling? What’s Hulsey’s explanation for the collapse of the penthouse? What’s Hulsey’s explanation for the damage of Fiterman Hall by WTC 7? What’s Hulsey’s explanation that part of WTC 7’s outer wall fell across the ruble pile, and not straight down.


What do you not get. WTC 7 did not fall straight down. It’s a truth movement mythology based on false information.

At least one outer wall fell after the core, and not straight down. But across the ruble pile. Is this false?

Look at the ruble pile. Look how part of the WTC 7’s facade is on top of the pile. That means that part of WTC 7 fell at a slower rate, and after a good portion of the ruble pile was created.

They can get away with anything