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Ex-Boyfriend Kills ex-girlfriend and her Baby, but Murder Of Baby Not a Crime in NY

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posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 09:53 PM
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(This is the first time I hear about this case, but I remember when several ATS members kept claiming I was lying when I mentioned that in New York it is no longer a crime to murder the unborn even if the mother, or both mother and father wanted the child. But because of New York's new law allowing the death of the unborn even on the day he/she was to be born now criminals, or even boyfriends/husbands can beat a pregnant woman and if she loses her child and even if she wanted the child it's no longer a crime, since the statute making the unwanted murder of the unborn a crime has been taken off the law. Likewise if an unborn child survives an abortion and is born alive in New York, the "healthcare staff" can leave the newborn alone until he/she dies and it is also no longer a crime...)

BTW, the woman murdered begged, as she was being stabbed, her ex-boyfriend for the life of her child...

The following was posted on Twitter on February 2019 by CBS reporter Tony Aiello. I don't remember ever seeing this in the news.

twitter.com...

Here is an excerpt showing the original charges of murder for both, his ex-girlfriend and their child.



twitter.com...

Here is the updated sentence/arraignment. The "second degree-abortion charge" was taken off the murderer's sentence because of New York's law which no longer sees the unwanted murder of the unborn as a crime.



twitter.com...

Although the murderer faces 25 to life in prison, if the woman had survived but her child didn't the murderer would only be facing weapons charges even thou she wanted their child to live.

Here is the original thread I posted when the law was changed in New York back in January 2019.

www.abovetopsecret.com...




edit on 26-12-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment and correct comment and link.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 09:57 PM
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edit on 26-12-2020 by Rikku because: (no reason given)


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posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:05 PM
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Leftists are finally being intellectually consistent, but it's in a way that exposes how sick they really are.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:07 PM
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If she had survived but the child didn't, it would still be assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, etc.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: Rikku

In fact, here is what Jennifer Irigoyen, the murdered woman, screamed.

He’s got a knife! He’s going to kill the baby!

As Snopes, the prostitute's non-fact-checker website posted despite their attempts to dismiss the argument altogether because the murderer is still charged with the murder of his ex-girlfriend.

www.snopes.com...

She is survived by another young child from a previous relationship. Her first reaction and concern was for her unborn child, and not for her life. But thanks to New York's left, it is now no longer a crime that a wanted unborn child is murdered.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

According to the left, it's okay to kill babies, mostly unborn. . . but who knows.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Was the father the guy with the knife?

Maybe he chose life in prison over a life of forced labor in the form of child support?

I feel like this story is missing important details.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: a325nt
If she had survived but the child didn't, it would still be assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, etc.


Knew some left-winger would attempt to dismiss this...

First of all, assault with a deadly weapon is a class D felony with only 2-7 years of sentence.
Second of all, attempted murder with a deadly weapon is a class B felony with a sentence of 5-25 years.

The above sentences are for New York.

So in New York if a pregnant woman is beaten to a pulp and she survives but her unborn child doesn't. Even if she wanted her unborn child to live the murderer could be facing from a 7 years to around 12 years sentence if the judge decides to give a light sentence. Or at most the murderer could be facing just around 27 years sentence in total. And with how 'lenient" the law is against criminals in places like New York the murderer could only be facing a lot less than 27 years since in New York the law states that parole-eligible inmates should have a hearing every 2 years.



edit on 26-12-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: a325nt
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Was the father the guy with the knife?

Maybe he chose life in prison over a life of forced labor in the form of child support?

I feel like this story is missing important details.


Wow...are you a hard-core criminal whom for some reason keeps wanting to make more inane excuses?... Not wanting to pay for child support is for you an okay excuse so you can beat up/assault your girlfriend and kill your unborn child?...

In real life not wanting to pay for child support is no excuse to beat up/assault your girlfriend and to murder your unborn child...



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Leftists are finally being intellectually consistent, but it's in a way that exposes how sick they really are.

I'd like to see how NY lawmakers would react if one of their own relatives lost a child due to a criminal act.

Would they say, "Oh well. At least my daughter is going to be OK. Her child, my grandchild, wasn't a human anyway."?
edit on 12/26/2020 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:43 PM
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Simple solution: Take him out back and put a gun to his head as per normal and post-date his execution to a date of when he would be a fetus. That’s how you fix the problem.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: a325nt
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Was the father the guy with the knife?

Maybe he chose life in prison over a life of forced labor in the form of child support?

I feel like this story is missing important details.


Wow...are you a hard-core criminal whom for some reason keeps wanting to make more inane excuses?... Not wanting to pay for child support is for you an okay excuse so you can beat up/assault your girlfriend and kill your unborn child?...

In real life not wanting to pay for child support is no excuse to beat up/assault your girlfriend and to murder your unborn child...



Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm not supporting abuse or murder, I'm asking questions for context.

I have seen more lives ruined by child support laws than murder, though.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 11:40 PM
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I'd like to see the actual NY criminal law, something NY Official at least, instead of twitter links.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 11:54 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

CHOOSE LIFE!




posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: CopeLongCut
I'd like to see the actual NY criminal law, something NY Official at least, instead of twitter links.


Yeah I know its hard to believe....but it's true. Look it up for yourself.



posted on Dec, 27 2020 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
If I'm reading the law correctly, it makes no difference.

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 70.25 Concurrent and consecutive terms of imprisonment

2. When more than one sentence of imprisonment is imposed on a person for two or more offenses committed through a single act or omission, or through an act or omission which in itself constituted one of the offenses and also was a material element of the other, the sentences, except if one or more of such sentences is for a violation of section 270.20 of this chapter, must run concurrently.


He would have been serving the sentence for the second degree abortion at the same time as the one for murder, so it would not add any time to his sentence.

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posted on Dec, 27 2020 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Except for the fact that if the girlfriend had survived, and the baby had been the only one murdered, then the murderer would only have had a sentence for 2-7 years for assault with a deadly weapon. Only in the case of having a sentence for murder would the murderer serve 25years to life...

It is absurd enough that New York, alongside many other socialist states, have diminished the time that criminals must face in prison, but to void murder even if the mother, or parents wanted the unborn alive makes it even worse...

Let's not forget the FACT that those same socialist states that have been reducing the time that real criminals must face in prison, those same states go after law abiding Americans whom dare attempt to defend themselves from criminals...


edit on 27-12-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Dec, 27 2020 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: CopeLongCut
I'd like to see the actual NY criminal law, something NY Official at least, instead of twitter links.


Yeah I know its hard to believe....but it's true. Look it up for yourself.


Amazing, even when a left-wing journalist from CBS reports this there are still left-wing members whom want to dismiss this fact...



posted on Dec, 27 2020 @ 12:59 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

The above sentences are for New York.

So in New York if a pregnant woman is beaten to a pulp and she survives but her unborn child doesn't. Even if she wanted her unborn child to live the murderer could be facing from a 7 years to around 12 years sentence if the judge decides to give a light sentence. Or at most the murderer could be facing just around 27 years sentence in total. And with how 'lenient" the law is against criminals in places like New York the murderer could only be facing a lot less than 27 years since in New York the law states that parole-eligible inmates should have a hearing every 2 years.



Well for 27 years or until he gets COVID and released. I'm sure his parking tickets will still be valid.



posted on Dec, 27 2020 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
If I'm reading the law correctly, it makes no difference.

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 70.25 Concurrent and consecutive terms of imprisonment

2. When more than one sentence of imprisonment is imposed on a person for two or more offenses committed through a single act or omission, or through an act or omission which in itself constituted one of the offenses and also was a material element of the other, the sentences, except if one or more of such sentences is for a violation of section 270.20 of this chapter, must run concurrently.


He would have been serving the sentence for the second degree abortion at the same time as the one for murder, so it would not add any time to his sentence.


But what if someone stabs the woman only once in the belly killing that baby and mother survives. The man admits he only intended to kill the baby but not the mother which would be evident by the gut wound only once. He gets battery with a deadly weapon and likely less than 5 years.

The killing of the baby wouldn't even be a factor in how much time he spends. Pretty sick wouldn't you agree?
edit on 12/27/2020 by Alien Abduct because: (no reason given)




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