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Time says Human’s are Hybrids, Ancient Tech is a Thing and the NWO is Real

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posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 08:34 PM
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Well, it’s a Christmas like no other this year. First year in my life I haven’t celebrated Christmas with my parents. My kids first Xmas without seeing Grandma and Grandpa. It’s quiet around here, like it might be in many homes right now. I figured I’d take some time to write a post that I’ve been thinking about for a while.

It’s LONG so take a gander if you choose!

Time Says Human’s are Hybrids, Ancient Tech Is a Thing and the NWO is Real.

I read a quote from a member on here, which I can’t find unfortunately, that basically said that an explanation for why the past/present/future exist is because everything can’t exist all at once - meaning the past/future can’t be in the present as there isn’t “room” for all of it - which made some logical sense to me.

That got me thinking about time - what it is, why it exists, etc.

So what does this have to do with the UFO/UAP phenomenon? I started writing this post and as I was “connected dots”/making connections along the way this post starting getting way far afield but still interesting to me - so I’ll post the original point of my thought under TLDR and the balance you can choose to engage with or not
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TLDR:
When you think about the concept of time relative to the UFO/UAP Phenomenon, it increases the probability for me that UFO/UAPs are largely or entirely not “alien” in terms of being fully “non-human” craft or origin.

Said another way, “UFOs” may not be “aliens” at all because so much time has passed we could be the byproduct of both earthly and non-earthly DNA.

THE FULL STORY ON A SLOW XMAS:
I had the kind of ironic thought that we look to history back to the 1930s (or even ancient civilizations) to understand the UFO phenomenon that is largely propagated to be about “future” or “far more advanced” civilizations then we are today.

So we go back in time (history) to find clues to help us understand our future or the real present.

That made me consider that the history of programs/formerly classified projects/etc. from the 1940s through the 60s would have been using what the public would consider as 60s and 80s technology. This uses my assumption that some aspects of the military, not all but some, are probably 5-25 years more advanced than what the public considers “cutting edge” or “the best” today.

If we apply that logic forward, then perhaps we have 2030 to 2050 tech already and we’re still a few decades behind from the real cutting edge stuff as far as the general public is concerned. I can’t say that’s the case, but i can say i view that as at least plausible but unprovable.

Using that example, on the long end we have 2050 tech today. Think how much things have changed for the public consumption of tech in the last decade - it’s enormous and it’s just the table scraps. If you consider currently undisclosed or unacknowledged tech, it would likely be far, far more advanced than anything we’re aware of today - just like it always has been throughout time ever since WW2 and the birth/growth of the MIC.

Adding to the plausibility of this, to me, if you consider that in In the next 30 years could we or have been able to figure out:

- How to travel interplanetarily with relative ease and a high degree of success.
- Been able to better understand and work with the force we now call gravity.
- Could we harness fusion power?
- Have the ability to “cloak”?

I’d argue yes since we’re already hearing periodically about advancements in these areas now and some have been for years.

When I think about time and the UFO phenomena, I start to suspect that what people see in the sky (UFO!i have a decent chance of all or mostly all being ours as opposed to “alien”.

Thinking of time and the phenomena one other way... the simple notion that earth has been habitable for billions of years and known history dates back but a few hundred thousand at best we could have played out all of known history thousands of times on this planet already - our visitors could absolutely be earthlings, or we could have discovered their “old” but extremely advanced technology.

Time comes in again... Here’s another example: That tech is supremely advanced over ours today but we’re chronologically “more advanced” than they are in terms of earth history - we’re the peak of evolution in all ways as it pertains to this planet. This is how our current narrative goes and since we can only speculate on unknown history we accept that we’re the most advanced. But recall that the past/present/future can’t live together. So say there’s a past playing out that possesses the ability to time travel, if you will, then that could suggest something interesting. If earthlings from the past time traveled to the future and found out we’re more primitive technologically that means we (our present-day, known civilization) went backwards at some point or we evolved independent of our cousins and haven’t quite made it as far along. Which one is it? Perhaps there was a catastrophe, a war, an accident — who knows. But it set intelligent life on the planet back big time from a tech standpoint as our ancestors were materially more advanced. Or, we and perhaps more probably, we just evolved more-less on our own.

To me, that story - which is just a story - makes in some ways more logical/probable sense to me than ET coming to check in on us all the time (minus the time travel as that was just to demonstrate a point). It if was a war, could have been interplanetary in nature and maybe that explains some of the going ons with Mars. This conflict destroyed one planet more-less and our planet either inherited new settlers or was the victor but at great cost. Depending on how the war was viewed, whether it was inter or intra planetary,or what it was about, we may have banned tech. Or, perhaps this wasn’t the planet that those visitors intended to inhabit. Instead we have a massive increase in life that started about 500mm years ago and that trend more-less has continued. I’d say it’s not impossible that we are some kind of a hybrid between human or human like beings from somewhere that isn’t earth and what ever human like creature was on earth at that time or at some other point over that 500mm years.

If this is true, then we would like share some innate traits. It might also explain why the course of our evolution went the way it did - it’s literally in our DNA. Given we went from more ape-like to human, it’s not impossible that the new strain of the DNA came from the outside of our earthly environment. Given we’re a warring species by nature still, it makes me wonder if that would have been inserted into us. We have been violently warring down to eliminating other near-human like or human species to arrive at the current model of modern human we have today.

If the “ancient astronaut”/“RLK”/ancient tech theories are looked at this way, there would have been an enormous amount of time that has passed since this seeding of some other DNA into the earth species occurred, we could realistically and legitimately be unaware of how we got here. And, it’s also entirely possible that our founders still pop in periodically and that perhaps they have left some stuff behind or have made contact with various earthly entities. Those cousins are wildly more advanced than we are but it begs the question for me... why would they leave in the first place?



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 08:34 PM
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Perhaps something was wrong with Earth. It was too close to other planets in the neighborhood? Perhaps the climate wasn’t ideal for the visitors? Said another way, there’s a number of rational explanations for why they wouldn’t put down roots here. They left and found a new home that is better suited to them, they had the means to do it and they’re out. It’s like going home shopping at the planetary scale - and if we had the means to go to other planets and found a better one you can bet you’d see a whole bunch of humans wanting to go there. None of this is really all that fanciful.

Our evolution played out to here and we started to get more attention more broadly with world wars. Why? Mass destruction, death, planetary harm and then the nukes... that was the tipping point. So they stepped in, the World Order (no, it’s not new) was formed and that all happened right at the end of WW2. Iron Mountain report is probably legit and thus the space race came along and we’ve largely managed to stay away from further armed conflict between super powers since then.

We learned after WW2 that collectively wars are exhausting. Society was over them. Problem is, nationalist governments and or dictators still existed and had influence. This made armed conflict on a go forward basis still likely if not plausible - not what we were after. This World Order took control of education, legal, justice and ultimately some political institutions - as well as the MIC via defense contractors - and has slowly helped to “globalize” the world to avoid such conflicts from happening. They’ve been largely successful.

And that all very much ties back into the notion of “UFOs” or “ETs”. If “science” told humans that they are half earth native and have not earth native and a hybrid species they would FREAK OUT. I mean like FTFO. It would imply so much that I don’t need to repeat here, but suffice to say that would be a serious game changer in the way people think about a lot of things.

So perhaps that’s why we can’t know “the truth” at scale because acknowledging one thing would inevitably acknowledge another and that can’t be put back in the box. It also might suggest there remain multiple species of human that we’re not aware of here on earth and if true would be notably unsettling to people and societal order.

If the notion of being a hybrid species were true, which is just an interesting thought at this point, it would somewhat justify the ends to which the UFO subject has been silenced, why people have been killed and the depths to which we’ll go in general to keep this way way out of public eye or consumption. I also bet that many countries are in on this knowledge and many countries probably aren’t.

The hybrid human concept also solves the whole “why would they come here?” Or “how could they travel this far” issues. They weren’t traveling very far at all and they were here because we were either relatively close by or they were here in the first place.

This also lines up pretty neatly with the former Israeli military member who recently effectively said that “other beings” are here and don’t want to make introductions yet...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Finally, notice the Israeli military gent never reference “aliens” per se. But terms like “beings” have been used - as has “intelligent life” - for many years. Perhaps the notion of “aliens” has been the intentional cover up of the knowledge of our true history - and all that comes along with that knowledge. If you make non-terrestrial life all about little green men then it sounds fanciful and loco - and the notion of having “alien” DNA means you must have found little green men - so it can’t be possible. Problem solved.

That’s a long way of saying that applying the construct of time to the UFO/ET phenomenon, and taking other information into account in conjunction with the concept of time, it seems possible that our ET friends are more like our “Cousins” or “Ancestors” and there not nearly as “alien” to us as one might think. Much of what we see in the sky is “ours” and very little if any of it is of non-human or human-related origin.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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I believed for a long time that God arrived in a spaceship. Really, I'm not joking, I'm very serious about this.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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Time is an NWO progressive propaganda rag. RT and Al Jazeera are about a million places higher on my list of trustworthy news sources that Time. I wouldn't line my cat's litter box with Time. I wouldn't put it on the bottom on my bird cage - if I had one. If i were out of toilet paper and only had a stack of Time magazines left, is go out to collect leaves.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 08:49 PM
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Then don't read the damn post. Some of us are interested and want to discuss.
a reply to: incoserv



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Do you have a link at all to a source for this?



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
Time is an NWO progressive propaganda rag. RT and Al Jazeera are about a million places higher on my list of trustworthy news sources that Time. I wouldn't line my cat's litter box with Time. I wouldn't put it on the bottom on my bird cage - if I had one. If i were out of toilet paper and only had a stack of Time magazines left, is go out to collect leaves.


You thought this thread was crazy before? Let me really blow your mind with the information I found when I started digging.

A particularly notable quote from the link


For the concept in physics, see Time in physics. For the magazine, see Time (magazine). For other uses, see Time (disambiguation).


It's like a whole new OP with this new information. I don't know why the OP was so ambiguous about this not being about the magazine of the same name.




posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Do you have a link at all to a source for this?


I don’t have one specific source for any of this as this is basically something I came up with after years of researching the UFO subject as well as general history on a number on subjects.

There’s a fair bit of information on the web about most everything I posted - I’m just connecting dots here.

I will say that exploring the concept of time in terms of past/present/future, it being a fluid, it not moving at all, and more is really fascinating.

When you then begin to start looking at subjects and your own existence through different constructs of time you can see some pretty fascinating possibilities.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: incoserv
Time is an NWO progressive propaganda rag. RT and Al Jazeera are about a million places higher on my list of trustworthy news sources that Time. I wouldn't line my cat's litter box with Time. I wouldn't put it on the bottom on my bird cage - if I had one. If i were out of toilet paper and only had a stack of Time magazines left, is go out to collect leaves.


You thought this thread was crazy before? Let me really blow your mind with the information I found when I started digging.

A particularly notable quote from the link


For the concept in physics, see Time in physics. For the magazine, see Time (magazine). For other uses, see Time (disambiguation).


It's like a whole new OP with this new information. I don't know why the OP was so ambiguous about this not being about the magazine of the same name.



Honestly, i had no idea there was a Time magazine article about this subject. I never read it and largely don’t trust it. And Time magazine never crossed my mind in the threat title - i was thinking about the concept/construct of time in terms of hours/minutes/millennia - not a publication.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: EnigmaChaser

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: incoserv
Time is an NWO progressive propaganda rag. RT and Al Jazeera are about a million places higher on my list of trustworthy news sources that Time. I wouldn't line my cat's litter box with Time. I wouldn't put it on the bottom on my bird cage - if I had one. If i were out of toilet paper and only had a stack of Time magazines left, is go out to collect leaves.


You thought this thread was crazy before? Let me really blow your mind with the information I found when I started digging.

A particularly notable quote from the link


For the concept in physics, see Time in physics. For the magazine, see Time (magazine). For other uses, see Time (disambiguation).


It's like a whole new OP with this new information. I don't know why the OP was so ambiguous about this not being about the magazine of the same name.



Honestly, i had no idea there was a Time magazine article about this subject. I never read it and largely don’t trust it. And Time magazine never crossed my mind in the threat title - i was thinking about the concept/construct of time in terms of hours/minutes/millennia - not a publication.


I know all this. I was poking a bit of fun at somebody that hadn't appeared to have read much of the OP.

I enjoyed your OP.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: EnigmaChaser

So just another science fiction story? Don't get me wrong, i've always thought this kind of stuff would be a great setting for a sci-fi story, but if i'm going to lean towards anything with this kinda stuff, I'd lean more towards the, some species of homo that existed prior to, then alongside humans for a while that were more advanced, long lived and had some kind of civilization here, bur were already on the decline by the time humans started risinf to dominance.

I always felt like the alien hybrid stuff trivializes human, or more more generally I suppose, the accomplishments capable by earth's own life. It's just more of the same kind of crap the Bible teaches

'Humans are incapable of higher level things without some kind of divine interference.'

Which personally, I think is a load of bull#. I do think there's far more to history than we've discovered or been lead to believe or whatever though.



posted on Dec, 25 2020 @ 11:56 PM
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These guys did an awesome show on this topic, I believe this is it

www.canarycryradio.com...

a reply to: musicismagic



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 04:19 AM
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My guess is mankind is stuck in an evolutionary loop until we completely annihilate ourselves or we finally cross the great filter.

Disastrous technological advancements may be the cause of a civilizations annihilation, the Industrial Revolution, grey goo, rogue A.I. and atomic weapons come to mind.

Ancient civilizations on Earth or elsewhere may very well have had advanced technology that they destroyed themselves with, Atlantis for example.

On the subject of their technology being 2050 technology, all those advancements are closely tied into the military industrial complex. Mostly devices made to kill and control our fellow man, they don't give us the scraps of that stuff... except maybe smart phones as a way of control.


Not too sure about the past/present/future all being separate.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that everything can happen all at once but the reality of that situation my be too great for our minds to handle. The Egg by Andy Weir comes to mind or Dr. Manhattan of Watchmen or even the timelessness of another dimension. Then you have black holes and quantum effects that mess with time as well. The mystery of singularity.

Maybe aliens are just echoes of us from the past/future, like the light that we see emanate from stars.

Maybe the end times are just that, the times when time isn't and it all happens at once.

What if the universe resets but just only slightly?

Consciousness from matter so it can experience itself. Then when it has enough, a big crunch happens, reforming the great singularity, the god from which we came from just to big bang again and reform the same exact universe but with 1 small thing being different.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Until every thing that can happen does happen.

Makes you think. Great topic.
edit on 26-12-2020 by Psilocyborg because: Gonna watch futurama now



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 05:40 AM
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Yup.

Makes sense and the more one looks at subjects like: timescales on Earth, possible structures on the Moon and Mars, human (and certain crops, dogs, etc) DNA and our properties as compared to other life, translation problems with ancient languages, out of place artifacts and the more believable "disclosures" ( see ats member Astr0 for a good instance ), then it becomes difficult to deny the probability of this scenario.

The mind blowing portion of the information is the lying, obfuscation and despotism of (many of) those in positions of "leadership."

Oh, and capitalizing "time" confuses the issue.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Enjoyed reading your thoughts.

At the very end, when you cut the topic "beings" instead of aliens, I remembered something Carl Sagan said once about dimensions. Funny side note, my uncle had a picture of him hanging in his office and I never asked who that is, I just thought it's a relative until I saw the first Sagan videos.

I recommend to everyone look into Carl Sagan, I would have loved to hear his thoughts on the current state of science. He passed away in old age not so long ago, may he rest in peace.



Summary: For lower dimension beings, an encounter with a higher dimension being is always spooky for the lower dimension observer and almost not possible to comprehend.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Yes, the exploration on multi-dimensional experience is one of my favorite videos ever done by Mr. Sagan.

His original Cosmos TV series was before my time, but not long ago Science Channel re-aired the old Cosmos episodes, and I watched them for the first time.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: Baddogma
Yup.

Makes sense and the more one looks at subjects like: timescales on Earth, possible structures on the Moon and Mars, human (and certain crops, dogs, etc) DNA and our properties as compared to other life, translation problems with ancient languages, out of place artifacts and the more believable "disclosures" ( see ats member Astr0 for a good instance ), then it becomes difficult to deny the probability of this scenario.

The mind blowing portion of the information is the lying, obfuscation and despotism of (many of) those in positions of "leadership."

Oh, and capitalizing "time" confuses the issue.


That’s pretty much where I landed after much deliberation.

When I was a child, the notion of there being “ETs” or some “other beings” was something that I for whatever reason accepted as “likely” or “normal” very early on. Not certain as to why as it wasn’t as though I was being exposed to the UFO/ET subject regularly.

I can’t say for certain, obviously, whether or not this more “ancient astronaut” view of the subject is right but it does neatly “resolve” some of the questions skeptics of the subject raise like:
- ability to travel long distance (wouldn’t have to).
- they aren’t “aliens” as in little green men.
- they would have a valid reason for visiting us or spending time on earth
- this is why we keep looking “out there” and yet don’t find “them”.

Perhaps more. But the more I follow my own thought there I find the argument that the “aliens” aren’t “alien” at all and that the tech is in fact “ancient” but yet wildly more advanced than what we possess today.

Now it makes me wonder why we get taught the construct of “time” as we do... if time were viewed differently by the masses more people might consider alternate explanations.

Or, because of the way most humans perceive/understand time, they can’t understand what’s actually possible.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 10:48 AM
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time,




posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: Psilocyborg
My guess is mankind is stuck in an evolutionary loop until we completely annihilate ourselves or we finally cross the great filter.

Disastrous technological advancements may be the cause of a civilizations annihilation, the Industrial Revolution, grey goo, rogue A.I. and atomic weapons come to mind.

Ancient civilizations on Earth or elsewhere may very well have had advanced technology that they destroyed themselves with, Atlantis for example.

On the subject of their technology being 2050 technology, all those advancements are closely tied into the military industrial complex. Mostly devices made to kill and control our fellow man, they don't give us the scraps of that stuff... except maybe smart phones as a way of control.


Not too sure about the past/present/future all being separate.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that everything can happen all at once but the reality of that situation my be too great for our minds to handle. The Egg by Andy Weir comes to mind or Dr. Manhattan of Watchmen or even the timelessness of another dimension. Then you have black holes and quantum effects that mess with time as well. The mystery of singularity.

Maybe aliens are just echoes of us from the past/future, like the light that we see emanate from stars.

Maybe the end times are just that, the times when time isn't and it all happens at once.

What if the universe resets but just only slightly?

Consciousness from matter so it can experience itself. Then when it has enough, a big crunch happens, reforming the great singularity, the god from which we came from just to big bang again and reform the same exact universe but with 1 small thing being different.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Until every thing that can happen does happen.

Makes you think. Great topic.


You’re right about the MIC stuff but I’m starting to see the MIC a little differently these days.

It’s not so much about “control” as it is about “order”. What I mean by that is, the US is largely the world’s policeman. Has been since the end of WW2. No country is perfect - we’re certainly not in the US - but in many ways we’re less imperfect and more stable than the balance of the world. If you removed the US, the world would descend into war and chaos as a new balance of power is formed.

So, we spend a ton of money on MIC-related stuff to prevent that from happening. It’s not just for our benefit, though we certainly do benefit, it’s for the benefit of all of those countries who aren’t being overrun right now because of our presence. Said another way, it’s the glue that holds the world together. Peace through real or perceived superior firepower.

In terms of “control” - I think you’re right. The more humans that exist, the more you have to exert control because there’s so many of them with so many divergent thoughts or levels of understanding you have to create a mechanism by which to keep the masses at bay. This isn’t some nefarious thing, it’s common sense. If you want a functional society, gotta put some controls in place. It’s no different than the small business that becomes a giant corporation. Those corps need layers of approval, “red tape” and approval paths because you’ve hired a ton of humans to do stuff who have varying degrees of understanding. If you’ve ever been in a oversight position, you know this.

As far as time is concerned, I’m pretty sold that the past/present/future have to exist separately in terms of the dimension of time we live in - we can’t put everything that ever was in one place at once. In part because that energy cannot be created or destroyed - just changed - which would mean there isn’t enough energy in our dimension of time to place everything here at once.

Where it gets more interesting for me is the concept of energy in relationship to time. That topic heads into some pretty heady/metaphysical stuff that wildly challenges the notion of what most people perceive as “time” and “the present”.

The thought I’ve been chasing about time that overlaps with all of this is that for the “present” to move to the “future” there’s some kind of an overlap if you will - the horizon where present becomes the past and the future comes to the present. My thought isn’t baked enough to draw any useful conclusions but I find that train of thought fascinating.



posted on Dec, 26 2020 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Just a tiny bit of "crazy-making" to toss into the mix.
Aside from Kennith Arnold an some more UFO sightings north of 60, is there any real reason UFO abductions, or landings with witnesses never happen in the snow?

It's something I always wondered about, why abductee's seem to never report they got floated out of their homes ect...
in a couple of feet of snow with -20 real feel going on? It's always seemed too easy to assume Off-Worlders have issues with the cold, since space is pretty nippy I'm not buying it.

Also the whole gravity thing. If you cross eons of space an time you'd have about no bone density, or other probable support used to keep something upright either.

I hate when I go all practical, but there it is.
Anybody???




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